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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3152 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 17771 times:

Do BA have more aircraft with the new cabin yet, or is it still just the one?


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User currently offlineSirThomas From UK - England, joined Jul 2009, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 17478 times:

1 747, and 2 777's now have it old chap I THINK they be IIV, IVF and IIU... But don't hold me to it  

Tom



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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3152 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 17116 times:

Quoting SirThomas (Reply 1):

Any idea of that 747 route?



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User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 16959 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 2):
Any idea of that 747 route?

I believe it flies anywhere that BA sends it's 747's, there is no one route for it (I guess it would be too difficult, scheduling wise, and BA want as many different pax to see the new F as possible, and get feedback). IIRC, it's very first routing was to JFK.


User currently offlineIrregKing From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15774 times:

The main target-group for the moment are US-bound pax.
The main route for the aircraft fitted with the new BA First product is JFK
as that is one of the more important US routes for BA: High Yield and big competition.
And that's why G-CIVF, the only 744 fitted with the new First so far, is mainly flying on the
LHR-JFK-LHR route...

That being said, other US destinations see the eventual 772 with the new First o/b too...
like ATL, DFW, PHL.... aswell as some other worldwide destinations such as DEL and PEK, then
again the 772's are tried to be scheduled as much as possible on JFK runs too.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15445 times:
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Quoting IrregKing (Reply 4):
That being said, other US destinations see the eventual 772 with the new First o/b too...
like ATL, DFW, PHL.... aswell as some other worldwide destinations such as DEL and PEK, then
again the 772's are tried to be scheduled as much as possible on JFK runs too.

I believe the new P cabin 772s have been into ORD as well.

When they get another 744 refurbished, they'll send it to LAX on a regular basis.


User currently offlinetim222 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14653 times:

Quoting SirThomas (Reply 1):
1 747, and 2 777's now have it old chap I THINK they be IIV, IVF and IIU... But don't hold me to it

won't hold you to it but at least 2 747's have it, operated a JFK/JFK in April/may and on 2 sectors we had the new first, can't remember reg's though.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8255 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12177 times:
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Why is it taking BA so LONG to launch its new FIRST ? ALL JFK bound planes should have new FIRST.

User currently offlinesteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12034 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Why is it taking BA so LONG to launch its new FIRST ?

Call me radical, but in the face of a £500m loss for the year just gone, deferring or slowing non-essential capital expenditure might just be considered prudent financial management.

Just a thought.



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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11335 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Why is it taking BA so LONG to launch its new FIRST ? ALL JFK bound planes should have new FIRST

Because the product is still in trial / proving mode. Once thats deemed a success then the rollout can begin. The current aircraft will be being used to identify all the bugs,as with the Club World roll out a few years ago.



We'd like to welcome in particular our Executive Club members and those joining us from our Oneworld alliance partners.
User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9012 times:

BA did a 777 send to BOM.
My Friend was sure he saw the new F. He was just returning from ORD.
He is more into flying J. And i dont doubt him at all.  

[Edited 2010-06-07 08:29:37]


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8255 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7720 times:
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Quoting APYu (Reply 9):
Because the product is still in trial / proving mode. Once thats deemed a success then the rollout can begin. The current aircraft will be being used to identify all the bugs,as with the Club World roll out a few years ago.

There are mockups( teh nice photos with Actress Rachel Wiesz) look great and they wouldn't release them unless BA had already decided to fo ahead and refresh their FIRST CLass. BA is loosing lots of $$$, but if they don't get a new FIRST then they would have to eliminate it eventually when other First Class products advance, and BA needs to stay competitive. Investing in teh product for a premuim airline is essential, if BA doesn't it should just have one premuimm class, Club World.


User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7485 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11):
There are mockups( teh nice photos with Actress Rachel Wiesz) look great and they wouldn't release them unless BA had already decided to fo ahead and refresh their FIRST CLass

There has been some publicity yes - but until they have at least sufficient aircraft to guarantee the product on a route then the heavier marketing wont kick in and the full roll out begin.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11):
Investing in teh product for a premuim airline is essential, if BA doesn't it should just have one premuimm class, Club World

Its no secret that BA have considered removing F. Its only the third most profitable cabin and given the number of 777s which have become 3 class then moving to a single premium product isnt out of the question. But they have made the decision to stick with a new F hence the new launch this year. At the start of the recession BA openly stated that they hadnt confirmed whether to retrofit any 747s with the new F - but thankfully that doesnt seem to be the case now as they have done a 747 reconfig.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7176 times:
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Quoting APYu (Reply 12):

Its no secret that BA have considered removing F. Its only the third most profitable cabin and given the number of 777s which have become 3 class then moving to a single premium product isnt out of the question. But they have made the decision to stick with a new F hence the new launch this year. At the start of the recession BA openly stated that they hadnt confirmed whether to retrofit any 747s with the new F - but thankfully that doesnt seem to be the case now as they have done a 747 reconfig.

Considering the state of World Economics and how turbulent things are currently, it makes since for them to be having discussions about removing or decreasing the availability of P (F) to certain markets. I'm sure BA has routes where F isn't really needed. Does PHL, DEN, PHX, PHL, ATL, MCO need P(F)? I can see keeping P cabins on LHR-JFK/EWR/IAD/ORD/SFO/LAX/IAH/MIA. Markets where they could send a mix of flights with P available on select departures are: LHR-BOS/DFW/MEX/SEA/YVR/YYZ/YUL.

How about The Far & Middle East? I'm sure the Middle East can sustain P cabins on their own and with the head to head competition. To The Far East, I see LHR-SIN/HKG/NRT/TPE/ICN.


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7048 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 13):
Markets where they could send a mix of flights with P available on select departures are: LHR-BOS/DFW/MEX/SEA/YVR/YYZ/YU

BOS - The two evening departures carry high F loads. Day departure ex BOS would be better operated using a 3 class 767.
DFW - There is high demand for a F class product
SEA - High demand for a F product exists.
YUL - No real F market to UK, thats why ops year round using 3 class a/c.
YVR - The summer only BA087/BA086 would be better served by a 3 class 777
YYZ - Operates 1 x daily 4 Class 777 and 1 x daily 3 class 767

BA operate a mix of F and non F embodied a/c from LHR to EWR, PHL, PVG, TLV and YYZ
Quoting laca773 (Reply 13):
To The Far East, I see LHR-SIN/HKG/NRT/TPE/ICN.

NRT - In recent years load in F to NRT have dropped significantly
SIN/HKG - High demand for F seats
TPE/ICN - BA does not currently operate these routes
Quoting laca773 (Reply 13):
Does PHL, DEN, PHX, PHL, ATL, MCO need P(F)?
MCO and DEN are and have been for some time operated by 3 class 777's (J/W/Y)

ATL - Since this route moved to LHR BA have seen a significant increase in F booking compared to when the flight operated ex LGW

PHL - BA a number of years ago changed it's BA069/BA068 service to a 3 class 767. They however kept the BA067/BA066 a four class 777 as there was a demand for F on the route.

PHX - There is a small F market however would probably be best served by a 3 class 777.

BA curreently does not offer a F product on flights to and from the destanations below:

LHR to ACC, BWI, DEN, DAR, EBB, GIG, HYD, JED, LAS, LUN, MAA, NAS/GCM, NAS/PLS, YYC, YUL,

LGW to ANU/PUJ, ANU/SKB, ANU/TAB, KIN, MBJ, MCO, MLE, SSH, TPA & UVF/POS.

There is a strong demand for F on BA's flights from LHR to

BOS, IAD, IAH. JFK, LAX, MIA, SEA and SFO in the US.
AUH, BAH, KWI and RUH in the Middle East
ABV, CPT, JNB and LOS in Africa
GRU and EZE in South America
BOM and DEL in India
HKG.PEK,PVG, SIN and SYD in Asia and Oz.

[Edited 2010-06-07 16:38:19]

User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6828 times:
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Quoting GSTBA (Reply 14):
BOS - The two evening departures carry high F loads. Day departure ex BOS would be better operated using a 3 class 767.
DFW - There is high demand for a F class product
SEA - High demand for a F product exists.
YUL - No real F market to UK, thats why ops year round using 3 class a/c.
YVR - The summer only BA087/BA086 would be better served by a 3 class 777
YYZ - Operates 1 x daily 4 Class 777 and 1 x daily 3 class 767

BA operate

Thanks for the information, GSTBA. I apreciate it. I wasn't too far off from what I was thinking.


User currently offlineskyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

I'm surprised that GIG does not have demand for F. I could be wrong but I was sure that there has been much discussion across various other threads about the possibility of upgrading to a 4 class 772.
JJ start GIG-LHR later in the year so it should be interesting to see how BA reacts.


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6444 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 14):
There is a strong demand for F on BA's flights from LHR to

GRU and EZE in South America

GRU-EZE must be among the top F performers of BA worlwide.

Quoting skyhigh (Reply 16):
I'm surprised that GIG does not have demand for F. I could be wrong but I was sure that there has been much discussion across various other threads about the possibility of upgrading to a 4 class 772.
JJ start GIG-LHR later in the year so it should be interesting to see how BA reacts.

JJ will start GIG-LHR offering F class with the A332. Lets see how BA reacts.

Rgs,


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