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Official: Emirates To Take Another 32 A380's  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 36
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 42308 times:

Quote:
June 7 (Bloomberg) -- Emirates Airline, the biggest customer for the Airbus SAS A380 superjumbo, is poised to order more of the world’s largest passenger jet to expand Dubai as a global travel hub, two people with knowledge of the accord said.

The carrier will commit to more than 30 additional A380s, and the company will probably announce the agreement at the ILA Air Show in Berlin tomorrow, said one of the people, who declined to be identified because the two sides are still working on terms of the deal.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...jumbo-fleet-as-demand-returns.html

Interesting if indeed matterializing.


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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2840 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 42274 times:

Thanks for the link Some days ago there was a similar thread but it was closed without explanation after 34 replies:
Up To 30 A380s More For Emirates? (by FCKC Jun 4 2010 in Civil Aviation)

It seems as if this is an on-going story.


User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1344 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 42235 times:

I thought Airbus denied the report, and everyone decided it was a mix up as EK had just taken the 30th A380 produced? The report above does sound pretty conclusive, however. More than 30, as in at least 30? Wow. Guess we will find out tomorrow!

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31437 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 42059 times:
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I still am of the opinion it's a mis-interpretation of EK receiving the 30th A380-800 produced last week (their 10th frame).

A French periodical that kicked off this rumor stated that the 30 frames were 12 firm orders with 18 options, and now Bloomberg says it's at least 30 firm orders.

I guess we'll find out at tomorrow if EK and Airbus announce an order.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2840 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 41887 times:

Not only the French newspaper "Les Echos" reported about it. Also the Financial Times Deutschland wrote about this topic. The contacted Airbus last Friday and Airbus stated

Quote:
"Wie ein Airbus-Sprecher am Freitag auf Anfrage sagte, "gibt es keinen Deal, der angekündigt werden könnte". Darüber hinaus würden Spekulationen nicht kommentiert.

Rough translation: there is no deal, which could be announced. Furthermore, Airbus does not comment on speculations.

Source: http://www.ftd.de/unternehmen/indust...-weitere-a380-kaeufe/50122997.html

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
I guess we'll find out at tomorrow if EK and Airbus announce an order.

   just one more night and we will know.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 41731 times:

Perhaps EK's newest A380 on static display there serves a greater purpose   

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 41696 times:

Would be the first big order announcement ever in Berlin. Mostly such orders are announced in Farnborough a few weeks later.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31437 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 41639 times:
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Quoting columba (Reply 6):
Would be the first big order announcement ever in Berlin. Mostly such orders are announced in Farnborough a few weeks later.

Which makes it doubly interesting since those 18 777-300ERs ordered on 30 April and currently shown as Unidentified are believed to be for EK and one would expect them to be announced as such at Farnborough.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 41621 times:

I just read in French newspapers this morning , an internal source at Airbus has NOT denied EK will order more A380s , either at Berlin or at Farnborough , but told the numbers is wrong.It will be less..........

For all the A380 fans , do not desesperate if we do not hear anything about this order at Berlin , you just have to wait for next month in England.


User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12898 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 41213 times:
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Quoting FCKC (Reply 8):
It will be less..........

So maybe the original 'rumour' of 12 firm plus 18 options was closer to the truth than was given credit for?

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Which makes it doubly interesting since those 18 777-300ERs ordered on 30 April and currently shown as Unidentified are believed to be for EK and one would expect them to be announced as such at Farnborough.

Indeed, it was widely expected that EK would order additional 77Ws and A380s. Maybe Airbus has too many other announcements for Farnborough?   



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 40159 times:

Indeed, it was widely expected that EK would order additional 77Ws and A380s. Maybe Airbus has too many other announcements for Farnborough?



Would be GREAT !


User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 39206 times:

Well, there is still the fact that EK flies it's newest A380 to Berlin. One might think that there is a special reason for this.

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 39140 times:

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 11):
Well, there is still the fact that EK flies it's newest A380 to Berlin. One might think that there is a special reason for this.

EK wants to fly to Berlin at some point and therefore present its newest toy.
At the last ILA, Jet Airways received an A330. The A380 in Berlin does not meant that there will be a special reason.



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 37318 times:

UAE media now reporting that an order is very likely for 30 aircraft... looks credible!

The carrier will commit to more than 30 additional A380s, and the company will probably announce the agreement at the ILA Air Show in Berlin tomorrow, said one of the people, who declined to be identified because the two sides are still working on terms of the deal.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/58998...boost-a380-fleet-as-demand-returns



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31437 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 36760 times:
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Quoting JoKeR (Reply 13):
UAE media now reporting that an order is very likely for 30 aircraft... looks credible!

That's pretty much what Bloomberg said, so I imagine they're repeating it.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 36609 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
That's pretty much what Bloomberg said, so I imagine they're repeating it.

Yeah, they're citing Bloomberg as indicated below the title.

Another article from thenational.ae:

"Tim Clark, the president of Emirates, did not challenge reports yesterday that his airline was planning to today announce a $10bn order for as many as 12 A380s and another 18 options.
Mr Clark was speaking on the sidelines of the International Air Transport Association’s annual meeting in Berlin, and is expected to make the purchase announcement at today’s opening day of the ILA Berlin Air Show."
http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs....=/20100607/BUSINESS/706079906/1005


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 36533 times:

Clip of EK's latest 380 landing in Berlin for the ILA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTs_tYGbE4g

Any idea what red logo she's sporting in front of the Emirates title? Doesn't look like the ILA logo.


User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1163 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 36112 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 16):
Any idea what red logo she's sporting in front of the Emirates title? Doesn't look like the ILA logo.


That is the world cup sticker, as EK is one of the major sponsors for the event in South Africa.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 34675 times:

These will for 2014 onwards I'd have thought - will be considerably more capable birds than the ones they are getting now.

Wonderful news if its true. Add in Asiana for six and this year doesnt look too bad for a plane that has no market and is a dismal failure that should never have been made...  



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 34462 times:

Doesn't have EK still to firm 30 A333 and 30 A359?? Will they do it together?

However, another 30 A388s (or even more) would really surprise me at this point. Can DXB handle a homecarrier with 90 A380s?? Or will JXB open before those additional 30 are delivered? I remember reading that Tim Clarke said that 58 was the highest possible number for DXB.


Quoting columba (Reply 12):
Quoting robffm2 (Reply 11):
Well, there is still the fact that EK flies it's newest A380 to Berlin. One might think that there is a special reason for this.

EK wants to fly to Berlin at some point and therefore present its newest toy.

Nice that they fly an A380 to the ILA. I wish they'd fly an daily A332 to TXL.


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3403 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 34338 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 18):
Wonderful news if its true. Add in Asiana for six and this year doesnt look too bad for a plane that has no market and is a dismal failure that should never have been made...

Don't forget we should see Vn firm thir order for 4 sometime this year too. That all adds up to 22 which eplains the doubling of the sales target for this year for the A380 from 10 to 20 recently.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 61
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 34238 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 20):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 18):
Wonderful news if its true. Add in Asiana for six and this year doesnt look too bad for a plane that has no market and is a dismal failure that should never have been made...

Don't forget we should see Vn firm thir order for 4 sometime this year too. That all adds up to 22 which eplains the doubling of the sales target for this year for the A380 from 10 to 20 recently.

I think VN's firming is on the way early next year. The indications are that we'll see some top-ups from QR and EY first. I wouldnt rule LH out for a few more either.

Just wait until the markets pick up properly! Discussions about the viability of the A380 programme will be a distant memory soon.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 33330 times:

Rumors are intensifying.

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nach...s-with-spotlight-on-airbus-020.htm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 21):
Just wait until the markets pick up properly! Discussions about the viability of the A380 programme will be a distant memory soon.

Hopefully.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 33223 times:

If the presence of Angie is verified, than it will be a substantial order.

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 33202 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 22):
Rumors are intensifying.

Seems that the ILA will become a more important air show. I think last year was the first time ever that Airbus has ever announced orders at the ILA but only on a much smaller scale (some A320s and A330s if I recall correctly), but with an order for A380s the ILA will become a closer rival to the Farnborough Air Show.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
25 Post contains links and images keesje : A month ago this was already in the air. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4806514/ My opening sentence was : Experien
26 Thorben : If her presence is verified, I hope she gets a verified booing-concert for that new ticket tax. Let's just hope it stays in Berlin.
27 Post contains links and images flood : How's this for a nice source Emirates To Order 32 More A380s Emirates will announce an order for 32 additional Airbus A380s at the ILA Berlin Air Show
28 Post contains images keesje : She was there last time, just a hospitality visit. Actually I turned a corner into a hall and nearly bumped into her and Enders, angry looks from sec
29 bjorn14 : A little bit off topic but does anyone think EK will every get a narrow body short/medum haul fleet? Especially when they move to the new airport.
30 Post contains images flood : That's even better than the 12 + 18 we've been hearing about Wonder what the breakdown is, if all fixed or part options.
31 kaitak : I think that's quite unlikely. The 330s and 777s are used on most of the regional flights - DOH, MCT etc (and seem to achieve fairly good loads). The
32 RJ111 : Isn't the A333 supposed to be replacing the A332s? Hasn't been firmed yet...
33 Post contains images Thorben : Yes, members post strange things here. I wouldn't think too much about it. They are angry because they can't work properly? Sounds like security over
34 maxter : Keesje, is this going to be webcast? Cheers,
35 Post contains images astuteman : Only 2 things that I'll say, Keejse. The obvious one - it isn't an order until it appears in the Airbus O+D spreadsheet (and there are those that wou
36 Post contains links N14AZ : Seems as if this is not the case, unfortunately. Airbus has a webpage for the ILA 2010 but now live coverage: http://event.airbus.com/airshows/ilaber
37 scouseflyer : "Seems as if this is not the case, unfortunately. Airbus has a webpage for the ILA 2010 but now live coverage:" Shame but if this is announced, it won
38 Post contains links keesje : After the same airlines quickly build up a fleet of 83 777s, people look at it differently though. Btw German press says 32 now, but not sure how man
39 airpearl : It is on the wires. Dow Jones has reported thus: BERLIN (Dow Jones)--Dubai-based Emirates Airline will place an order for an additional 32 A380 superj
40 N14AZ : Absolutely true. I am also very dissapointed as technically it doesn't need much to make such a live coverage. No good advertisement for the ILA. 32
41 Post contains links flood : Aviationweek picked it up over an hour ago. According to Av.week "Emirates now has 90 A380s on firm order of which 10 have been delivered." If that's
42 Post contains links EBGARN : So, it's official: http://event.airbus.com/airshows/ila...ers-a-further-32-airbus-a380s.html "Dubai based Emirates Airline has ordered a further 32 A3
43 Burkhard : Congrats To Emirates and Airbus!!!!
44 dougbr2006 : Well on the airbus site its been announced 32 aircraft firm orders now up to 90 aircraft.
45 Post contains images flood : Great news Congrats to Airbus and EK! Maybe ILA has more surprises in store.
46 Thorben : Wow, congrats to EK and to Airbus. I didn't expect this, because of the financial trouble of Dubai and a resulting delay of JXB and other projects. I
47 Post contains links N14AZ : Aero.de is also reporting as if it is already a fact: Source: http://www.aero.de/news-10495/Emirat...nauftrag-ueber-32-Airbus-A380.html I come to the
48 keesje : They probably signed a LOI on Berlin landing rights too during the last 24hrs.
49 Post contains links and images scbriml : http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...5BbackPid%5D=1683&cHash=61d701f535 Astonishing development. EK has often said they'd end up with "over 100"
50 Burkhard : Allmost one year of production...
51 Post contains links AirlineCritic : Yes it is officlal, also reported directly from the horses mouth: http://www.emirates.com/at/english/a...etail.aspx?article=575643&offset=0
52 Post contains images columba : Hopefully, I did not expect any orders at the ILA, so this came as a total surprise to me. Maybe LH, as this is their home turf. I do hope so, hopefu
53 Post contains images Owleye : Omg that's a lot! Very eye brow raising figures. Fried air, 'sandwich monkey' story, airline built on sand or a very smart world player in aviation? W
54 Post contains images Thorben : No. So are those 30 A333 and 30 A359. Would be interesting to know whether those were firmed too, today. If so, those were 92 widebodies on one day.
55 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Congrats to Airbus and EK on the order..... ... Now we know why Leahy, ect. were confident on gaining 20+ A380 orders...maybe they will have more orde
56 Post contains images astuteman : Did you manage to post that with a straight face? That Leahy! What does he know? "Maybe 20 orders this year" Now we know it's official - we can't tru
57 Post contains images N14AZ : Congratulations to Emirates and Airbus. And my regrets to the Finkenwerder planespotters. It seems as if they have to share the same fate as the Seat
58 Post contains images Chiad : I agree. What a fantastic order!!! EK now only has 169 widebody aircraft on order (and a current fleet of 140). Any chance that we could see the long
59 Post contains images Thorben : I just hope they start Berlin with something, even if it is "only" an A332. Same for EY. Almost a year. It is rather a bit more than the production b
60 maxter : Hmmmm, I wonder if one or more of these beauties will be destined to arrive at PER on a regular basis... That would certainly make my day.
61 na : Stunning. Unbelievable. Congratulations to Airbus for this order which represents the largest order worldwide this year so far.
62 Ronaldo747 : Nobody ask about what EK will do with so many Whalejets. 90 A380 ... it's pure madness and it seems that the Dubai folks have not learned their lesson
63 KennyK : Emirates - The first World Airline ? WOW
64 ju068 : WooooW... Congrats! When would these be delivered?
65 col : Congrats EK and Airbus, a fantastic plane which will make EK a lot of money. Now we can wait for the other carriers to start ordering the beast.
66 Post contains links and images keesje : Connecting the world with single hub / stop.
67 Post contains images RJ111 : Why would any aviation enthusiast want that? I must admit however, it does seem a lot. Do we know the delivery schedule for these ones?
68 Post contains images BrouAviation : Congrats to both parties involved. I have absolutely no clue about why EK needs that much A388's. Airbus can use this little financial push though. Wh
69 Post contains images TravelAVNut : Well, yes? Why not? If it takes 20 or 30 years to become a grand succes, than it was still worth the effort. Wouldn´t you agree?
70 Malayil : I'm absolutely astounded, another 32 whale jets! Any ideas where all these behemoths will be heading to? I figure thrice daily to LHR, then FRA, JNB,
71 SeJoWa : keesje, any way you could bring up a graphic repesenting ALL of EK's destinations? I've tried, but the global view on EK's website doesn't work (for m
72 col : But how is EK performing? As far as I understand the Airline is doing very well, so much so they can order so many 380's to make more money. They obv
73 Post contains links sebolino : The deal has been anounced by Emirates according to France24 : http://www.france24.com/fr/
74 RJ111 : EK have continually made profit over this current bubble, so i don't know why they wouldn't be over the next one.
75 Someone83 : Well, Emirates is to some extent independent on what happens in Dubai. EKs business plan is to build up DXB (JXB) to a world hub and transferring pas
76 Post contains links Chiad : Wrong!!! According to Tim Clark Emirates will have 90 A380s in 2017. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ates-to-have-90-a380s-in-2017.html
77 TravelAVNut : *Sigh*...even IF there is a next Dubai bubble burst that will probarbly have little to no effect on EK. The majority of their passengers are connecti
78 na : Yes, but EK is an airline and Dubai a hub. EK is not a real estate company, which rightfully have crashed as not everyone wants to spend his holidays
79 fcogafa : resumably deliveries to start around 2020?
80 peanuts : Congrats to Airbus. This has to be seen as a double edged sword though. Europeans may be "raving" about "their" 380 and it's success with EK. It will
81 Bralo20 : Every single bird should be delivered before 2017, including the ones ordered today.
82 scouseflyer : Flightglobal is quoting EK as saying all will be delivered by 2017 and no disposals until 2020 at the earliest - that's all 90 at the same time in th
83 Post contains images TravelAVNut : Dubai will become the most boring destination for spotters IMHO
84 rheinwaldner : So the A380 is the most sold widebody in 2010! Beating the 777 and very clearly the 787, as well as A330 and A350! Great achievement!
85 Post contains images huaiwei : I find it hilarious that people would assume Dubai's economy is tied to EK's fortunes, but the same doubters do not make the same connection between
86 Post contains images solnabo : Congrats Airbus! Lets see some of these A380 orders turn into -900s... //Mike
87 bjorn14 : I believe 80% connect through DXB Just wondering how this affects the 748 chances for survival?
88 Post contains images Thorben : Ok, wait a minute. Assuming those new 32 A380 orders will be among the last ones of the current backlog to be built, this gives me the following numb
89 Post contains images astuteman : My bad. I took that as advance notice of a top-up order in 7 years time.... I resume you didn't read the FI article linked in reply 88... Deliveries
90 Post contains images eicvd : So in 7 years time EK will be flying 90 A380's. That is amazing! At this rate when they do eventually start DXB-DUB it'll be with the whalejet
91 Post contains images Bralo20 : It is not because this order is the latest one that those birds will be build the last... You may be sure that they negociated delivery terms prior t
92 Post contains links zeke : Yes, EK have said they will have 90 A380s in service by 2017. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ates-to-have-90-a380s-in-2017.html
93 peanuts : Think again. How would you fill up 90 380's. Not just a Kangaroo route, that's for sure. EK can poach all sorts of traffic from BA, AF, LH, KL. North
94 shankly : Its doing it already. My preferred route from LHR to CPT is now via Dubai (or as I am doing tomorrow, via Doha), for two simple reasons: 1. Mrs Shank
95 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..we're not even 1/2 done with 2010....the B777 (including cancellations) has 31 frames sold already.
96 Post contains images gipsy : First of all cangrats to Emirates and Airbus! Must be a shock over the Atlantic I see it the same way...only Lufthansa comes somewhat close with 15 fi
97 Thorben : Yes, but everbody else wants theirs, too. So I would guess the 90th A380 for EK will be among the last of the current backlog to be delivered. Yes, b
98 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Why?
99 Post contains images solnabo : . Gonna be fun to watch Quest means buisness at CNN tonight (20:00 CET) and his take on the EK order. He´s at ILA in Berlin //Mike [Edited 2010-06-08
100 Post contains images gipsy : Because of reply 61 (says it all ) by AirlineCritic and the general tenor against the not selling, ugly plane nobody wants...?
101 Thorben : Yes, but the A380 has 32 sold frames already. (However, it is doubtful it'll have the most sales at the end of 2010.)
102 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Just because one person has some opinion? There are many here on "this side of the pond" are happy to see more orders.... There are some who enjoy ma
103 rheinwaldner : When SQ raised to current status the others did survive too. Sorry, I forgot the words "so far"! And yes, half a years makes no trend. But as a snaps
104 Chiad : I'm quite certain that rheinwaldner meant most sold widebody so far in 2010. Nevertheless ... amazing. Thanks rheinwaldner for making me aware of thi
105 Thorben : Which is pretty dumb, considering what kind of globally made products planes are these days.
106 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...there are some A380 parts (electronics) which comes from a company not far from my house... Certainly a great job....! I assumed that as well, but
107 Post contains links and images realsim : @78, this could be an approach (Middle East and nearby destinations are not included):
108 SonomaFlyer : This orders makes it clear that Emirates will make a play to supplant not just BA but all of the European airlines in key segments of the market. They
109 keesje : quote=Thorben,reply=117] Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 114): Just because one person has some opinion? There are many here on "this side of the pond" are
110 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Meanwhile, the idiots at Unite are figuring out how to run BA to the ground and the local residents at LHR, FRA, etc. insist on curfews....go figure.
111 frigatebird : Well, we're not even halfway through the year yet, but so far: yes indeed.. But it's an amazing order, the biggest single order for the A380 so far,
112 Post contains images astuteman : And Airbus aren't about to stop taking orders. IIRC in the FI article, Leahy says the first available slots are in 2015, which implies that Airbus in
113 Post contains images Baroque : But only after a period of mourning when the order will be denied, set about with fever trees and generally inspected for flat tires. THEN the house
114 SonomaFlyer : We can safely assume Emirates retains the option to mix/match 388's and 389's in their order.
115 SeJoWa : Thank you realsim, that's super! When you can aggregate pax from and to so many underserved airports, additional legs actually strengthen the network
116 kaitak : Well, we probably could if Airbus actually launches the -900; personally, I'd be surprised if all of the A380s eventually delivered to EK are -800s. S
117 Post contains images Thorben : What? Americans celebrating A380 orders only for some money?? How unpatriotic! Yes, certainly, but if you were to fly to ACC or PEK, EK would be not
118 Post contains images astuteman : It's almost inconceiveable that they haven't demanded that sort of flexibility somewhere at some future date. Whether it happens or not.... Rgds
119 SonomaFlyer : Very true. ACC is served by DL and UA from the states direct. However for flights to the Middle East, Eastern Africa and a good chunk of S. Asia (exc
120 Post contains images BrouAviation : Yes I do, but do the loaning banks agree with this? Are they willing to wait 30 years for their money? Oh wait, I forgot. European taxpayers are EADS
121 JAL : If the rumor is true, can EK supports that many A380s in addition to their widebody fleets of 777s: A340s etc?
122 Thorben : Yes. However, EK provides real stiff competition on flights from Europe to Australia and South East Asia, also from China and India to Africa. It is
123 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Call me a traitor then! Likewise, a lot of the B787 parts are coming from European countries as well.... Add SJC.. Or more important, SYD... Thus one
124 Post contains images KennyK : For Emirates to be truly global would it not be a good idea to have a second hub on the other side of the planet, now is LAX any where near that point
125 columba : Just wait...with the merger of DL and NW and UA and CO there will be less hubs. In a few years UA and DL are in for some bigger aircraft 777W or its
126 Post contains images Super80DFW : Well, it's really hard to imagine what EK has planned with all these new orders. Someone said they were going to allow the world to connect to anywher
127 BrouAviation : It would be more logical to start an alliance with a separate company on the other side of the planet. But even that is not reasonable. Since they do
128 ATLflyer : I sure wish that United/Continental would order some but doesn't look likely. Flexibility is more important for them.
129 Thorben : You're not a traitor, you have more knowledge than some others. Or sometimes the same destinations. But you are right, EK, SQ, and other A380 custome
130 Post contains images peanuts : EK, for good or bad, will become the Wal-Mart of the skies. You watch. At some point, once EK is truly seen as a mass market airline, the premium pass
131 Post contains images LAXDESI : IIRC, one of the articles in Economist claimed that its aircraft are close to 18 hours in air on a daily basis. EK is currently fully utilizing its I
132 fcogafa : I still can't see them building almost 200 A380s in 7 years when even now they are struggling to produce 20 per year. Also, IF more significant orders
133 AAExecPlat : Why do we have to rehash this horsehockey every few days? Maybe you are right...but would the 787 have existed without the humongous tax breaks that
134 Stitch : I would expect within the next two years Airbus should be able to achieve three deliveries per month. Also, the more EK A388s XFW pumps out, the more
135 Swallow : Well, well. A paradigm shift here. I wouldn't be surprised if EK plans to use the 359 as its "smallest" widebody and use the 380 to shift the CASM cur
136 SonomaFlyer : EK would not use LAX as another hub. For one, LAX even with the reconfigured International Terminal, does not have the ability to handle more than a f
137 UALWN : My bank seems happy to wait for 30 years until I will finish paying my mortgage... It's not even funny... What about the LHs of this world? LH has se
138 Scipio : The question I have is: how unique is EK? If they can make a business case for becoming a megacarrier with 90+ A380s, others might too. Perhaps the fu
139 SonomaFlyer : UALWN, though I don't rule out a 380 order from a U.S. based carrier, they are obsessed with flexibility in scheduling and for most, fleet commonality
140 UALWN : I agree with you, but the reason is not simply that they have a number of hubs. As I said, so does LH. And so do AF (CDG, ORY, and AMS), and BA (LHR,
141 KU747 : I don't know why some members posted against EK and wish that they go down!!!??? Is it because EK is a well known airline? Is it because they have man
142 CFBFrame : [/quote] If the 777W order is real combined with this, we've finally seen the game changer of 2017!!! Are the three of you okay with not flying your
143 Post contains images keesje : 1st. I did not say what you quoted 2nd. My local carrier has already merged into the worlds biggest. 3rd. I'm not your baby
144 CFBFrame : One more thing. This order will be a big win for the 747-8I, because Boeing is the only place in world you can go between now and 2017 and get a VLA.
145 Post contains images astuteman : I'd say that's not too hard. EADS borrowed E3.4Bn in RLI from the 4 partner governments throughout the A380 development. And that's it. TODAY, EADS h
146 wingman : The other interesting angle in the recent Economist article on the Gulf carriers was that no matter how you slice it, if EK's growth and fleet plan ma
147 Post contains images WarpSpeed : Could this order start an A380 "Arms" Race of sorts? With EK having 90 of the type, they appear ready to take on the world. Might carriers in the mark
148 Post contains images astuteman : Er, make that 2015. Airbus have said the earliest A380 slots are now 2015. Maybe they should start a second line... When's the earliest slot for a 74
149 Stitch : Well you kind of have that now, with the International Airlines Group (BA+IB), AF/KLM, and the "LH Group". If EK does indeed become a "clear and pres
150 UALWN : Why would that be? Going from the UK or Germany to Japan or China via Dubai adds a lot of time. Who is going to do that? The businessmen of Germany?
151 Post contains images keesje : They are already flying to the US. Many Americans on board. However foreigh airlines. Is this fun? Well Emirates with its single hub will have a disa
152 aircellist : No surprise AC, err, I mean the Canadian government does not want EK to gain daily rights to every major city over here... By the way, congrats Airbus
153 peanuts : Correct. Which is why the European carriers and some Asian carriers are the major target for EK. US airlines are also competitors for EK but to a les
154 kaitak : Probably unlikely; the carriers that would offer the same kind of benefits as EK would be few and far between - and highly unionised; a pilot coming
155 LAXDESI : Currently, EK is coming up as the cheapest one-stop carrier for my wife's LAX-MAA trip. Btw, fares are at least 20% higher than last year. I wonder wh
156 Pihero : let's remove the US from that statement first. Geographically, Dubai could almost be called "Midway" as comparing distances, Dublin is 3200 Nm away,
157 Jacobin777 : LH is very "FRA-centric", BA is very "LHR-centric",etc. Looking at UA, UA isn't "SFO-centric" but SFO/ORD and even "IAD-centric"...Same holds true fo
158 ikramerica : This is a ridiculous order. No wonder Leahy had confidence there would be 30 orders. There is no logical reason that an airline with 50 A380s on backl
159 Talaier : Mass-market does not mean less luxurious. Louis Vuitton is the world's biggest luxury conglomerate with brands that span hundreds of shops all around
160 SANChaser : @LAXDESI: similarly my family is flying CCU-DXB-LAX this summer because of 2 reasons: 1. Cheaper than TK, same $ as SQ 2. Shortest flight time from In
161 Thorben : 36% longer. This may happen with very price sensitive people, and airline pricing is often a mystery. However, in general EK will have lower costs th
162 hawkercamm : Oh Dear..... It will be interesting to see EY and QR expansion plans in years to come. EK are going to scope up a lot of the growth in EU/Asian/Ocean
163 seabosdca : Congrats to Emirates and Airbus, but this order just makes me nervous. It makes me think of only one thing: Pan Am and its 60 747s. I think this confi
164 fcogafa : Could it be that Emirates ordering all these A380s actually makes sales to other airlines less likely - If they flood the Europe-Asia market for examp
165 LAXDESI : The only knock against EK is its 10-abreast Y configuration on its 777. On my FRA-LAX flight last week on a LH 744, I was seated next to a large/obes
166 wingman : Pihero, fair enough. EK will do damage to many airlines and they will target every city on the globe in doing so. But my point is the irony in EADS ch
167 Thorben : Rather not. European carriers still can compete with EK on routes to China, Korea, and Japan, also use them Trans-Atlantic and to Africa. However, I
168 Post contains links and images mariner : Ask and ye shall receive, at least in one case: http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...uns-rivals-with-a380-order/95964/1 "Emirates 'stuns' rivals wi
169 scbriml : Other than EK's long-stated plan to operate over 100 A380s? If an airline orders 32 787s today, how far out is the last delivery? I think he said "ov
170 Thorben : So, will Mrs. Merkel now allow EK to fly to TXL and get more flights to Germany in general? Thanks a lot. Is Mayrhuber a hidden super-hero? Captain Ob
171 ER757 : For Americas to China and Japan, could they maybe run something like SFO/NRT/DXB or MEX/PVG/DXB? That way they'd be able to serve Asian markets from
172 Talaier : Well, unless European airlines don't control their cost structure I'm not that convinced there will be anything to take over really. AFKL, LH and BAI
173 Scipio : Yes, they are very well located for traffic between Europe, Asia, Australia, and Africa. But not for all traffic flows between those continents (e.g.
174 bjorn14 : Yeah, it's called filling up the FF account. I did it a lot if time or money was not of the essence. My concern is that EK takes up between 40-50% of
175 Post contains links Viscount724 : I wouldn't include their 10-abreast 777s in that category. Yes, this article which has a good summary of EK issues (also some discussion of QR and EY
176 david_itl : We also have the ticket pricing to look at. EK due to its cost structure and fleet configuaration is able to offer a better deal than the Euro airlin
177 Post contains images redflyer : Correction: A380 firm orders now stand at 144 from 16 customers and 90 from 1. (Or, 60% from 16 customers and 40% from just 1.) Regardless, congratul
178 Post contains images EPA001 : I do not see the problem either. EK is very healthy and buying huge numbers of B77W and especially A388's. Also other A333's and A350's are ordered a
179 LAXDESI : Over time, I can see EK flying A388s to JFK, EWR, ORD, IAD, IAH, LAX, SFO, and DTW--which would require 16 A388s. That leaves 74 for Europe, Australia
180 UALWN : Don't forget MAD for BA, AMS for AF, and MUC and ZRH for LH. To go to China or Japan? I don't think so. That's what had to be done in the 80s, before
181 Post contains images SeJoWa : Golden.
182 UALWN : OK, let me get this straight. When, say, UA plans to reduce capacity by replacing 744s with 359s, everybody here claims it's a work of genius, becaus
183 yellowtail : It is time for "western Governments" to do away with all ownership restrictions so that the airlines can merge to take on EK.
184 Talaier : But if you fly from, say MAN, connecting at Heathrow will end up bringing flight time to almost the same time and is much more comfortable. Japan, Ko
185 AirNZ : I fail to see why it is a "ridiculous order". It is an aircraft order made by a very respected world airline based on their business plans All is qui
186 UALWN : Provided it incurs one less stop. So it will be advantageous for trips from secondary cities in Europe to secondary cities in south Asia and south-ea
187 seabosdca : Business plans that seem very pie-in-the-sky to many of us. EK flying 90 A380s implies that they expect all but a few routes currently in their syste
188 wingman : I personally don't care either way about the good or bad of EK buying more 380s. I'm just stating an opinion that the consequences for Euro carriers w
189 ER757 : That's a valid concern, but I'm sure Airbus has to be thinking a lot of business from one customer is better than little business from a bunch of cus
190 UALWN : How did you reach that conclusion?? When did the EU sign an open skies agreement with Dubai? EK has ordered 90 388s. It has also ordered 110 777s, wh
191 Talaier : Not at all. In those trips is where EK has a complete advantage over other carriers, but that doesn't mean it can't compete with other carriers on pr
192 CFBFrame : Yes there is, it's called running your competition out of business!!! EK got there first and they are going to win. People continued to argue about E
193 PM : Fine by me. People buy foreign cars and foreign clothes, holiday in foreign locations, and eat imported food. Why should the flag on the outside of a
194 UALWN : I don't buy this for a minute. Have you heard of the Heathrow Express? Have you been to LHR's T5? It just can't be compared with LGW. Actually, as mu
195 Viscount724 : I think what wingman means is that, where open skies agreements may eixist (or be negotiated in future) they benefit Gulf-based carries more than oth
196 UALWN : Now, once you are done gloating, maybe you may care to answer my question in reply # 182, which I'll rephrase here. When people in A.net point out th
197 UALWN : The 388 line will be tied up until 2015, not 2017. I guess since the 787 line is also tied up until 2015, those large orders for the 787 in the past
198 Post contains images Baroque : Maybe that thread about a second line for the A380 was not quite as daft as it seemed. How about a new line in Dubai trotting out copies just for EK?
199 Stitch : I believe QF sent one over Antarctica on those air tours last year.
200 UALWN : You're right! So EK may try Dubai-Perth-McMurdo Station. They will start the route with a 332, grow it to a 77W, and finally put their 87th 388 on it
201 seabosdca : In a way, they were. The success of the A330 in recent years has been at least partly due to the big 787 backlog. I think the case for additional 748
202 vin2basketball : I think that the people touting the eminent doom of traditional EU airlines need to remember that the 787 will provide a similar CASM to the A380. So
203 peanuts : The 787 would be the answer to the EK onslaught. The Europeans lack a hub location like DXB. The answer to EK may be frequency and non stop options.
204 Post contains images lightsaber : This surprised me. I expected an EK order by Farnbourough, but not 32 A388's. You're optimistic on Airbus ramping up the rate. Holy cow... that is a f
205 Post contains images PM : Not to mention a certain engine alliance...
206 BoeingVista : Come on cheer up, maybe the order is big enough for them to consider re-tendering for engines?
207 Post contains images PM : Nah, they've already confirmed the GP7200. Good for EA!
208 BoeingVista : Ah well thats life. Do we have any idea of how the T900 and GP7200 compare wrt SFC?
209 Post contains images PM : I have a nasty feeling that the enemy are in front...
210 B777fan : Despite the talk of EK in the past of having more than 100 380's someday, I didn't believe it. As to what they will do with them all it is pretty obvi
211 Post contains images astuteman : Not picking on you personally SeaBosDCA but the thing I find interesting about this order, and the thread it has precipitated, is that it always seem
212 2175301 : It's an interesting strategy - combined with the remaining 777/350 orders. The question is can they really dominate enough routes to effectively utili
213 Post contains images gemuser : That would require 64 [SIXTY FOUR] aircraft, NOT all A380s. See below next quotes for the rest. What you have to remember is that same business plan
214 caliatenza : When will Airbus make a 380 capable of flying non stop from DXB to LAX? Or does the -900 address that issue?
215 PM : People have been saying for as long as I can remember that Emirates have over-stretched themselves. Every time, they have been proved wrong. My hunch
216 Post contains images astuteman : From the outside looking in, it appears to me that one of EK's favourite strategies in develping long-haul/very long-haul routes in particular, is on
217 UALWN : Do they fly on 747s? EK's 773s (whether ER or not) seat ~360 people in 3 classes or ~435 in 2 classes (remember they have 10-abreast sitting). Their
218 Post contains images Thorben : Maybe. They do some flights like this, for example DXB-SYD-AKL. SQ has been doing SIN-FRA-JFK for a very long time. However, EK did DXB-HAM-JFK, but
219 MD-90 : Well, Dubai needs their aviation bilateral agreements a whole lot more than many other countries need Dubai. I wouldn't be surprised to see protectio
220 ash185 : I was amazed by this - not by the order from emirates thats nothing new - but hearing that they now have 90 on order. I thought more 77W which is also
221 UALWN : No, but LH had already ordered 15 380s five years before. Instead of guessing what I "probably" included, why didn't you check it for yourself? In Ju
222 LAXDESI : Good point. EK's 773 are 360 seats in 3 class, and A388 are 489 seats in 3 class configuration--A388 is 36% larger in seat count.
223 Post contains images Part147 : Hmmm... that's just plain strange, maybe their stuck behind a desk or spend too much time on a golf course to really be bothered - unless your implyi
224 SeJoWa : Adding so many billions in orders to Airbus' books does kind of draw a line in the air... from DXB to everywhere. They can always cancel some, but in
225 LAXDESI : Is it too far fetched to imagine an order for 100 A389 by EK with an EIS of 2020, and delivery over 2020-2027. It shouldn't cost more than $2billion
226 Burkhard : The A380 "line" - I know it is no classical line, has enough building space for 4 per month, 44 per year. Travelling work is over, normal production
227 UALWN : I averaged the seat count of their 2- and of 3-class 773s, but I actually don't know what's the fraction of each in the fleet. The average comes out
228 kaitak : I was wondering about this and I think it is quite likely; it's going to add a huge amount of capacity, but on the other hand, some airlines may feel
229 Pihero : I find this thread extremely amusing as the latest EK order seems to confirm that the A380 has become a game changer and a few noses ain't straight an
230 LAXDESI : India will be interesting to watch as EK is fully utilising its current bilaterals, but the Indian carriers are not. Will the Indian carriers prevail
231 Post contains links Chiad : FI reports that EK is to recruit 700 pilots in next 18 months. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-700-pilots-in-next-18-months.html But I guess
232 Burkhard : True - but 3 787 a month would require 45 pilots - so this is an argument in favor of the A380 and the 748i and again against the small twins.
233 seabosdca : There is certainly more risk associated with the A380s; they are more expensive to buy, more expensive to fly, harder to fill, and would be more diff
234 Talaier : I've lived in London for the past three years and flown from all five airports. I can tell you, from my own experience, that anyone living in South L
235 UALWN : I lived in London for a while myself, but in my case in the western suburbs (not far from Windsor castle), so my point of view is (literally) differe
236 Post contains images flood : I imagine EK opted to announce the order at ILA (as opposed to Farnborough) to promote their Berlin/Stuttgart ambitions. Along came TAM with another s
237 justloveplanes : Came to this thread late, hope I am not repeating too much. This is a very interesting and exiciting order as it plays out, very aggressively, not onl
238 Braniff747SP : It seems EK is very optimistic for the futre... I think they are mad. 90 A380s!? Even if you do O&D traffic, how many people really want to fly th
239 CFBFrame : Unfortunately for you, you're not in a position to determine the future of EK. So, as many are learning on here, your position can do no more than to
240 UALWN : I agree with most if not all of what you wrote, but I don't think you have replied to my question. Not that it really matters, of course...
241 seabosdca : Obviously. My point is that I think they are overreaching. They are free to do what they want, but I don't have to agree with their judgment. Their c
242 kaitak : This is a very interesting and relevant issue; while their company perks are quite good (on the face of it), UAE labour law is - to put it mildly - u
243 Post contains links and images flood : A little interlude - cool shot from Berlin: http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/210436.asp
244 gemuser : IMHO you are overstating the fragmentation effect. Yes there will be some, but we don't really know how much. Your example of CO announcing IAH-AKL (
245 SonomaFlyer : The Times of London had an interesting article in yesterday's paper about fare comparisons between LHR and several destinations. BA's fares are 24-28%
246 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread will be locked for further comtributions. All posts made after the threadlock will be deleted for housekeeping purposes only. The continua
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