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Montreal Formula 1 Charter 747's  
User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3058 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

Formula 1 returns to Montreal this weekend.

Some charters have arrived, any more coming?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20100604/1236Z/EDDM/CYMX

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...5/history/20100606/1144Z/EGNX/CYMX

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...9/history/20100607/0522Z/EGNX/CYMX

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...6/history/20100607/1536Z/EGNX/CYMX





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User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7364 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

This is the 744F that operated the MUC-YMX flight (BA8327) on Friday:

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User currently offlinereins485 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

For the England based teams in F1, do they always leave from EMA for fly away races?

Secondly, where does HRT leave from? I am guessing England due to the 3 flights from EMA and only 1 from MUC, which would allow for 3 teams on each 747 roughly.

One last question, when do the teams have to have their freight at the airport ready to be loaded for the flight over? I see the MUC flight left Friday, while one flight left England on Sunday and the other two on Monday, if the teams could delay shipping freight for 2 or 3 days, wouldn't that give them a longer development time with the cars in their factory than the other teams. I understand that teams will carry parts with them on the plane, and even fly parts in Saturday morning to be used in qualifying that afternoon, but there are some limitations with that and ideally almost all of the parts are shipped with the freight and not hand carried.

Thank you, I am a big F1 fan (Go Vettel    and Red Bull) but don't really know about the logistics side.


User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3696 times:
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Quoting reins485 (Reply 2):
which would allow for 3 teams on each 747 roughly.

Don't forget the FIA/FOH equipment and cars. It's not all team hardware in these three planes, and neither packs lightly.

Quoting reins485 (Reply 2):
if the teams could delay shipping freight for 2 or 3 days, wouldn't that give them a longer development time with the cars in their factory than the other teams.

It's a delicate balancing act between allowing as much in-factory development as possible, rounding up enough freighters available where and when needed and having enough of a cushion if something like, say, a Finnish volcano makes it necessary to truck the equipment down to Spain or Italy to catch their flight.

They used to operate on a tighter schedule, they will again at the end of the season (look at the dates of the last two races) but the delay in flying out crew and equipment back from the Chinese grand prix was a real wake-up call. I'm sure you're aware that some teams had such a tight schedule that, even though the actual delay was just a couple of days, it had major consequences for their planned development.

Besides, it's not like the teams lack appropriate space in Canada to set up shop and work on the cars before Friday.

Quoting reins485 (Reply 2):
but there are some limitations with that and ideally almost all of the parts are shipped with the freight and not hand carried.

For the top teams, the cost of shipping a necessary part to be received as late as Sunday morning (if it is worthy of a penalty) is negligible in the overall cost of a race week-end.

[Edited 2010-06-08 23:08:51]


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User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

Didn't DHL once have the contract to move the airplanes? With their F1 stickers, or did that go to someone else? Is Atlas/GSS doing the flying on behalf of them?

User currently offlineericaasen From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3582 times:

I doubt F1 needs 4 planes for flyaway races, especially a off to Montreal. Bahrain, Australia, Malaysia, and China probably needed an extra one. FedEx used 3 MD11s for CART to Surfers Paradise and the IRL uses 2 747s for Motegi and that includes the respective safety teams and pace cars. Granted F1 teams have more equipment to take to flyaway races but fewer cars since teams are only allowed 2 built and 1 prepared backup tub.

And since FOM pays for the shipping I'm sure they all depart at one time from one airport, probably from London. That would require Ferrari and HRT to truck their equipment to meet the plane. Which is one of the reasons why most teams are based in the UK. That's how CART/ChampCar/IRL does it, all teams fly out of IND so DCR, N/H/L and Penske have to truck the equipment to IND.


User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3341 times:
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Quoting 413X3 (Reply 4):
Didn't DHL once have the contract to move the airplanes?

DHL is in charge of logistics.

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 5):
I doubt F1 needs 4 planes for flyaway races

It's been done with as few as three planes last season, but this season's first race, on the other hand, involved 5 747s, alongside several ocean-going containers (pretty much everything was shipped in, even consumables for the VIP village).

I've seen Nascar and F1 races up close. I'm not interested in starting an argument over the merits of both, but the amount of equipment that F1 teams bring along is staggering compared to Nascar (and that's without including the 3, 4, 5, 6 trucks each team needs just to move their motor homes which obviously do not make the flyaway races).

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 5):
And since FOM pays for the shipping I'm sure they all depart at one time from one airport, probably from London.

They simply don't. I can't swear it's always been out of MUC, but there has been a flight out of continental Europe for years to accommodate the teams, 4 this season, not based in the UK.
I actually suspect that where you're right is in assuming that HRT trucks their equipment up to EMA. I don't think all four teams could fit in the MUC flight, especially with Ferrari being one of the teams that brings the most kitchen sinks.



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User currently offlinefalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Headed to YUL Friday for the weekend, can't wait.


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User currently offlineericaasen From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 6):
It's been done with as few as three planes last season, but this season's first race, on the other hand, involved 5 747s, alongside several ocean-going containers (pretty much everything was shipped in, even consumables for the VIP village).

Didn't know that, but they also had 4 flyaway races to start the year in 4 different countries. Which probably even means 4 different types of extension cords. Montreal's kinda a one-off flyaway as they're back at Valencia on the 27th.

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 6):
They simply don't. I can't swear it's always been out of MUC, but there has been a flight out of continental Europe for years to accommodate the teams, 4 this season, not based in the UK.

So then all the teams would have to truck their equipment to meet the plane doesn't really matter though, I'm sure all of the freight travels at the same time simply to ease the passage through customs. Especially since in the past F1 teams were notorious smugglers. Or should I say that F1 teams were unknowingly used as smugglers for years.


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