Quote: TAM Airlines, Airbus’ biggest customer in the southern hemisphere and Brazil’s largest airline company, announced today an order for 20 new Airbus A320 Family and five A350-900 aircraft, bringing the Brazilian airline’s total Airbus orders to 176 aircraft, including 134 A320 Family, 15 A330-200s and 27 A350 XWB aircraft. The Memorandum of Understanding outlining the order was signed during the ILA Air Show in Berlin.
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incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11466 times:
Quoting hardiwv (Reply 5): Thanks for the news, this will keep boosting TAM expansion.
But the wide-body order book at TAM in insufficient to keep up with long-haul demand. Some of the A330s are not very new anymore. Either foreign airlines will continue to gain ground in Brazil or GOL is going to get a big wide-body order and enter the US/Europe market. My count was very quick but it seems TP + IB have more flights to Brazil than TAM has to all of Europe.
FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11113 times:
These ATRs come from Pantanal.TAM has bought this small airline 3 months ago.Not sure they are in TAM cs.
Last but not least , TAM CEO declared in Air&Cosmos , he still has an eye open on the A380 , but it's too early to order it right now.
Probably the day LH and AF will fly it to Brasil , TAM will follow...........
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8307 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10974 times:
Quoting FCKC (Reply 21): Last but not least , TAM CEO declared in Air&Cosmos , he still has an eye open on the A380 , but it's too early to order it right now.
Probably the day LH and AF will fly it to Brasil , TAM will follow...........
TAM is in a tough position for VLA aircraft (same as SA), because they are predominantly a O&D carrier. Their respective hubs do not allow for intercontinental connections. So TAM's future is entirely dependent and linked to the economic future of Brazil and S.America.
CFBFrame From United States of America, joined May 2009, 531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10675 times:
Quoting airbazar (Reply 23): So TAM's future is entirely dependent and linked to the economic future of Brazil and S.America.
Is that any different from other parts of the world?
Another A350XWB w/o a firm commitment for the -1000. Not a good thing for the program. Airbus should consider upping the -900 so it can address a larger part of the market. May be too late for that tyoe of mod.
: TAM will order the A380 in a couple of years from now. Owned by Pantanal and will be phased out. I would not rule this out. Brazil needs another long
: in regards to the 320 order, will this be a combination, or soley the mid sized 320?
: Big mistake not to order more WB's for short term. The market is in need of flights, there's some potential new routes and the need to increase servi
: But with GRU they have a hub that is a gateway (from Europe) to Brasil, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, and Chile, that is 270 million people
: Could be a mix of 319/320/321. If Brazil had a single hub, yes, but it's impossible to deal with a single hub in a country that demands so much air t
: A350-1000s are less defined at this stage, planned to EIS later, have more risk attached to the performance figures if some contributors here are rig
: You said it all. It agains shows the importance of hubing operations. TAM is no Gulf carrier. I am sure TAM management knows best, especially with so
: This 56% measure is really misleading! A big chunk of it is TP. If TAM even smaller than TP in Brazil-Europe? And please consider that there is no Br
: LOL. Did you just write that getting 5 firm orders for the A359 is not good for the A350 program?
: Another very good message for Airbus and TAM and RR. Although the order is almost blown away by the EK 32 A380's order, also this order is excellent n
: So no possibility of a GRU-AKL-SYD route instead?
: Do count on those, but despite them, TAM is actually still able to increase frequencies. 332 flights GRU-CDG - 4 frames GRU-MAD - 2 GRU-JFK - 2 GRU-M
: Exactly why they need WB's. They are in a South American Country, far from Europe, Asia, Africa and North America and without any chance to run narro
: No, I did not say exactly. The A350-900 has come as a standard order, my concern is that no one is going to the -1000. I appreciate ElbowRoom's comme
: These planes come to JJ step into Africa (JNB) but the analysis do not convince them to launch the route. They never consider the possibility of AKL
: This is word for word a blog that I posted earlier today about the order, please tell me what you think! "With the aviation world abuzz over Emirates
: Good resume about TAM but i still believe they could do more ! Their long haul expansion is very slow compared to the growth of the Brazilian market a
: Why do you say "Whalejets" when you have to explain what a "Whalejet" is immediately afterwards? mariner
: I have never understood the TAM 777 order. I have flown one in business and she was a beauty, but they are to Airbus what CO is to Boeing....except fo
: "The new A350-900 aircraft will be powered by Rolls Royce engines." http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ews[backPid]=1683&cHash=12e184490e I be
: Well, one detail about that all is that they could already in August transform thatsingle daylight JFK-GIG in overnight. Moreover, if they were reall
: Because Airbus have nothing that can do what the 777-300ER can do.
: Actually, 4 77W and 3 763 today, but 10 77W and 3 763 by 2013.
: They could but i doubt they will do it. I rather see a GIG-MAO daylight with the A332. Problem is JJ is too committed to Airbus to think about take i
: What exactly? The 763 rotation or the overnight Sunday JFK-GIG? There will be two 332 parked the whole day at GIG. Take your pick.
: If this leads TAM to make profit, this is part of the business game. I still think that instead of growing and growing TAM needs to devote more atten
: I think that you need an appointment at the ophthalmologist ASAP. In 2011, TAM will have 20 332 in fleet. Do not forget the destinations to which JJ
: Any idea who will take them? Because it is not wise to have a 200+ fleet from only one of the two big manufacturers. The 77W has some commonality wit
: If I remember correctly TAM was some years ago in urgent need of more WB planes and the only ones available were some MD11 standing with Boeing. Boei
: Greetings everyone!!! Well, I must say that JJ's order is a little bit conservative, just like the airline's strategy in the int'l front. They certain
: Rumour has it that TAM was pleasantly surprised with their performance, so there is no need to replace them, since the competition on the routes that
: Indeed, I mixed it up, but this leaves 2 new frames for next year, ie 2011. But to the majority of destinations TAM supplies more seats now than RG:
: Good to know that these planes perform well for TAM. I was looking at the issue more from a fleet perspective. Three planes seem to be a small subfle
: What is the delivery schedule of the recent A350 order, it seems the first A350 commercial flight will take place in 2013? The presentation is dated
: The daylight sunday JFK-GIG Some days it will be 3 and there are rumors about the end of the tag GIG-GRU on the JJ8054/JJ8055 as they will move one A
: Yes very different. Do you think EK is ordering 90 A380's to fly people in and out of Dubai? Airlines like BA/AF/LH are ordering A380's and 748i's be
: Small?? You must be kidding!!! What other markets in the world offer such huge growth potential. See the astronomical growth figures of the Brazilian
: That market has a lot of potential. Bolivia and Paraguay are very poor countries, no doubt, but Chile, Argentina and Uruguay have a GDP per capita so
: I understand that but it's an incredible risk to be buying an A380 fleet based on a potential that may never materialize. There are airlines in India
: Your same reasoning could have applied to the Gulf carriers, their A380 order is based on potential growth which may never materialise... In my view
: It's not a matter of being big or small, it's a matter of economic ties. South America do not use to be global, and it's still a local "business". Th
: Did you mean 2 more B77W? A total of 6 frames on order? I was pretty sure that TAM had another 4 frames on order only...
: No it's not the same thing. The Gulf carriers are tapping a market that already existed, like the Kangaroo route for example, by undercutting fares a
: Yes, 6 B77W to be delivered in 2012 (4) and 2013 (2). I disagree. The market is there now (see new frequencies and capacity announced month after mon
: Well, you started it in the first place. Well, I agree, but I sense that TAM still hasn't ordered all the widebodies that it plans to. That's why the
: Even A320 order... i would say it make more sense to order E-Jets and use them to create peak time new routes, while off-peak they would fly routes w
: I am surprised at your stance. Counting on protectionism to stay viable may be legal but not honorable. According to information released by TAM, the
: Why is JJ actually not flying to LIS? That seems weird for a Brazilian airline.
: Today is elections day and I think the Dutch are becoming less liberals...Seriously, as you said, it is legal and if the Government fails to provide