MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15720 posts, RR: 48 Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7714 times:
While I don't question AR's ability to lose buckets of money, the Argentine pilot union's guestimate of $25MM for 19 charter flights to JNB is a bit steep. I'm guessing the pilots don't understand how a charter works. The company counters that the flights could net $2MM, or $5 if Argentina advances.
Airportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3056 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7376 times:
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11200 posts, RR: 61 Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6675 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter): While I don't question AR's ability to lose buckets of money, the Argentine pilot union's guestimate of $25MM for 19 charter flights to JNB is a bit steep.
It seems they believe the charters will not be charged !
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ETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 617 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6514 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3): It seems they believe the charters will not be charged !
Anyone knows how much they actually charge? And is the return based on the progress of the team on the field or is fixed from the get go? I would assume it is the former.
MD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 60 Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4521 times:
Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 4): Anyone knows how much they actually charge?
Around 3000 USD.
Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 4): And is the return based on the progress of the team on the field or is fixed from the get go?
Fixed for the 1st round of the WC - after that, a there's a steep reduction (so far) of flights since the amount will vary depending on the teams performance.
If you want to buy, you better hurry - seats are pretty scarce now.
BTW, this claim by the pilots union is totally bogus - 19-25 million is the total cost of the operation (25 million if the operation extends over the whole of the world cup). AR was hired by Rotamund Viajes and was given authorization to sell these charters.
However, this are NOT parcharter ops.
Saludos,
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MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15720 posts, RR: 48 Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3603 times:
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 5): 19-25 million is the total cost of the operation
That still seems really high--that would equate to about $45,000/block hour for 19 roundtrips at 22 hours per roundtrip.
MD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 60 Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3310 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7): That still seems really high--that would equate to about $45,000/block hour for 19 roundtrips at 22 hours per roundtrip.
What is that value based on? Aircraft, crew, insurance?
Saludos,
There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15720 posts, RR: 48 Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3054 times:
Quoting blooBirdie (Reply 9): Just simple arithmetic! $25,000,000 / (19*22).
Yeah, I used $19,000,000, so it should range between $45K and $60K/block hour, neither of which is realistic. Even half that would be steep.
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