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AR Will Lose $25MM On World Cup Flights  
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17777 posts, RR: 46
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8444 times:

While I don't question AR's ability to lose buckets of money, the Argentine pilot union's guestimate of $25MM for 19 charter flights to JNB is a bit steep. I'm guessing the pilots don't understand how a charter works. The company counters that the flights could net $2MM, or $5 if Argentina advances.


In Spanish:
http://www.aerolatinnews.com/index.php?sector=noticias&noticia=15889


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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3678 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8106 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
I'm guessing the pilots don't understand how a charter works.

Seems so. I am sure someone is paying the tab for these flights!

Are they coming at a discounted rate? Maybe but still wouldnt be that much of a loss, especially if the planes would otherwise be hanging out



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8010 times:

There is also reported on Clarin newspaper

http://www.clarin.com/politica/parti...-vuelos-Sudafrica_0_276572362.html

It also mentions that Argentina Football Federation decided to fly with SAA to South Africa.

Clarin also reports that AR also used 56% of its financing credit available for the entire year 2010 thorugh the Ministry of Planning.

http://www.clarin.com/politica/gobie...cubrir-energetica_0_274772548.html

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11456 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7405 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
While I don't question AR's ability to lose buckets of money, the Argentine pilot union's guestimate of $25MM for 19 charter flights to JNB is a bit steep.

It seems they believe the charters will not be charged !



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User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7244 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
It seems they believe the charters will not be charged !

Anyone knows how much they actually charge? And is the return based on the progress of the team on the field or is fixed from the get go? I would assume it is the former.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 4):
Anyone knows how much they actually charge?

Around 3000 USD.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 4):
And is the return based on the progress of the team on the field or is fixed from the get go?

Fixed for the 1st round of the WC - after that, a there's a steep reduction (so far) of flights since the amount will vary depending on the teams performance.

If you want to buy, you better hurry - seats are pretty scarce now.

BTW, this claim by the pilots union is totally bogus - 19-25 million is the total cost of the operation (25 million if the operation extends over the whole of the world cup). AR was hired by Rotamund Viajes and was given authorization to sell these charters.

However, this are NOT parcharter ops.

Saludos,



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 5):
Around 3000 USD.
Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 4):
Anyone knows how much they actually charge?

USD2800 for economy and USD5000 for Clase Condor.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 5):
BTW, this claim by the pilots union is totally bogus

Indeed, as the Argentina squad progresses to the finals AR profit potentials increases, there is a strong correlation here.

Rgs,


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17777 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 5):
19-25 million is the total cost of the operation

That still seems really high--that would equate to about $45,000/block hour for 19 roundtrips at 22 hours per roundtrip.



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4040 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
That still seems really high--that would equate to about $45,000/block hour for 19 roundtrips at 22 hours per roundtrip.

What is that value based on? Aircraft, crew, insurance?

Saludos,



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User currently offlineblooBirdie From Lesotho, joined Sep 2003, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 8):
What is that value based on? Aircraft, crew, insurance?

Just simple arithmetic! $25,000,000 / (19*22).

(The 22-hour roundtrip is a guesstimate, I guess in turn...)

PS: Hmmm... I make it almost $60,000.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17777 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

Quoting blooBirdie (Reply 9):
Just simple arithmetic! $25,000,000 / (19*22).

Yeah, I used $19,000,000, so it should range between $45K and $60K/block hour, neither of which is realistic. Even half that would be steep.



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