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OAG Changes 6/11/2010:AA/AM/AS/CO/FL/JM/LW/YV  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6252 times:

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...

AA
ORD-DEN 6>4 AUG-NOV
DFW-GUC 0>2 NOV-
DFW-MHK 3>2 NOV-
ORD-MHK 0>1 NOV-

AM
ORD-GDL 0>4/WK OCT-

AS
LAS-PDX 4>3 AUG-NOV
LAX-MMH 0>1 OCT
PDX-SAN 3>4 NOV-
SEA-SJC 6>5 AUG-NOV
SEA-SAN 7>6 AUG-NOV

CO
LGA-AUA 1>0/WK DELAYED START FROM NOV TILL DEC

DIDNT KNOW THEY FLEW IT...

FL
ATL-CLT 3>2 SEP-NOV
ATL-FLL 7>8 SEP-NOV
ATL-LGA 9>8 SEP-NOV
MCO-ATL 9>10 SEP-NOV
LGA-MKE 4>5 SEP-NOV
MCO-MCI 4/WK>0 SEP-NOV

JM
BWI-MBJ 1>0 AUG-

LW
ATL-AHN 4>3 JUL-
ATL-BNA 5>2 JUL-
HNL-MKK 4>2 JUL-
OGG-MKK 2>1 JUL-

YV
I assume this is related to Molukele and not really new; equipment is CNA.

JUL-
HNL-LNY 0>2
HNL-MKK 0>7
KOA-MKK 0>1
KOA-OGG 0>10
MKK-OGG 0>4

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User currently offlinedsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
YV
I assume this is related to Molukele and not really new; equipment is CNA.

JUL-
HNL-LNY 0>2
HNL-MKK 0>7
KOA-MKK 0>1
KOA-OGG 0>10
MKK-OGG 0>4

You would be correct on this reflecting Molukele. CNA = Cesna Caravan
AFAIK all these flights are operated under a sperate certificate from YV Go! flights. They appear in the res system because of the code share.



GEAUX SAINTS!
User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO
LGA-AUA 1>0/WK DELAYED START FROM NOV TILL DEC

DIDNT KNOW THEY FLEW IT...
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....Article_Print&ID=729261&highlight=

The flight has been operating since 2005 only on saturdays - when LGA's perimeter rules are lifted.

'902



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1297 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL
ATL-CLT 3>2 SEP-NOV

Not surprised at all by this. FL over the past two years has slowly been cutting frequencies on this route. With DL and US matching fares on the route, and not much room for growth in ATL, FL probably has decided to reallocate the frequency to some where else. I believe FL will be out of the CLT-ATL market some time in 2011. I'm not sure how they do to BWI & MCO from CLT either


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LGA-MKE 4>5 SEP-NOV

Thats good news, LGA was down to 3x at one point!



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22847 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 3):
I'm not sure how they do to BWI & MCO from CLT either

They do poorly enough to MCO that they've cut it at least once.



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1297 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

Its definitely not out of the realm for them to cut CLT completely next year, but I think at least BWI is safe to stay for now

User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 3):
Not surprised at all by this. FL over the past two years has slowly been cutting frequencies on this route. With DL and US matching fares on the route, and not much room for growth in ATL, FL probably has decided to reallocate the frequency to some where else. I believe FL will be out of the CLT-ATL market some time in 2011. I'm not sure how they do to BWI & MCO from CLT either

CLT is not going to go anywhere. They always cut the frequency and then add back as they keep rolling on. CLT is done 4 times a day and is packed and oversold. They even were doing CLT-MCO last month.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2219 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

Thank you for your usual terrific job, and welcome to my RU list! I always look forward to your weekly posts.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AM
ORD-GDL 0>4/WK OCT-

- - begin sarcasm mode

How many times will this route be added and deleted, before service actually begins?

- - end sarcasm mode



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LW
ATL-BNA 5>2 JUL-

Finally realising that operating 5 Grand Caravans offering 45 seats again 10 Mainline/RJ planes offering almost 1,000 seats isn't really the most financially-promising idea?
Never saw any sense in that route other than rotating planes between Georgia and Tennessee/Kentucky.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 2):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO
LGA-AUA 1>0/WK DELAYED START FROM NOV TILL DEC

DIDNT KNOW THEY FLEW IT...
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....Article_Print&ID=729261&highlight=

The flight has been operating since 2005 only on saturdays - when LGA's perimeter rules are lifted.

'902

Not just perimeter rules, but slot restrictions as well.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting enilria,reply=0

AS
PDX-SAN 3>4 NOV-

Something is up with this and I'm sure it's related to the announced-in-April-but-still-not-available-for-sale SAN-PVR service that is supposed to begin 11-12-2010.

First, only 3 SAN-PDX flts show on AS's booking engine thru all of November. But on their website's flight schedule, 4 flights do show starting Nov 12 but 2 of them are :10-:50 minutes apart! (One of them is the currently existing continuation of the SAN-SJD flight, the other is a new flt number, possibly belonging to the SAN-PVR flt.) I would not be surprised that if SAN-PVR is going to happen (a big question mark on that), it will be tagged on to a PDX flight but I would be surprised to see 2 SAN-PDX flts within less than an hour of each other! I am sure that the currently-showing schedule for November is not correct or complete.

I continue to remain in the dark about what's going on with SAN-PVR. And I don't like what I see (or rather, DON'T see -- or hear) regarding this new AS route...

bb


User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 7):
CLT is not going to go anywhere. They always cut the frequency and then add back as they keep rolling on. CLT is done 4 times a day and is packed and oversold. They even were doing CLT-MCO last month.
CLT is not done 4 times a day; it is flown 2.5 times a day this summer. And oddly enough, the extra 0.5 flights operate on Tu/We/Sa/Su (typically off-peak days with the exception of Sunday), suggesting to me that FL is only capable of picking up the lowest yielding of traffic.

CLT-MCO varies with the season (it will be Fr/Sa/Su only in Sept) but that is not as surprising since MCO is more of a leisure market and more seasonal in nature; CLT-ATL is not.

[Edited 2010-06-09 21:08:12]

User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 12):
CLT is not done 4 times a day; it is flown 2.5 times a day this summer. And oddly enough, the extra 0.5 flights operate on Tu/We/Sa/Su (typically off-peak days with the exception of Sunday), suggesting to me that FL is only capable of picking up the lowest yielding of traffic.

CLT-MCO varies with the season (it will be Fr/Sa/Su only in Sept) but that is not as surprising since MCO is more of a leisure market and more seasonal in nature; CLT-ATL is not.

The flights are very oversold, suggesting that the reduction in flights is for some other reason. The MCO-CLT-MCO is sat only as of now. as little as 2 weeks ago the Atl-CLT schedule had more flights. Its very very rare there are any seats open on that route. Maybe BWI will get more frequency though, but id be shocked if a major market like CLT was dropped from Atl and or completely.



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1297 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 13):
but id be shocked if a major market like CLT was dropped from Atl and or completely.

The flights may be oversold, but at the price they are offering tickets, I am fairly certain that FL, DL, and US do not profit on travelers who are clt-atl O&D. My reasoning as stated above is that FL is limited in ATL. Just like all airlines, Im sure they want to put planes on the most high yielding routes. Going down to just 2 x Daily on ATL-CLT is not sustainable when the competition from DL and US over 7+ flights at the same price.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
First, only 3 SAN-PDX flts show on AS's booking engine thru all of November. But on their website's flight schedule, 4 flights do show starting Nov 12 but 2 of them are :10-:50 minutes apart! (One of them is the currently existing continuation of the SAN-SJD flight, the other is a new flt number, possibly belonging to the SAN-PVR flt.) I would not be surprised that if SAN-PVR is going to happen (a big question mark on that), it will be tagged on to a PDX flight but I would be surprised to see 2 SAN-PDX flts within less than an hour of each other! I am sure that the currently-showing schedule for November is not correct or complete.

Ha! I noticed this too and came here to see if I was crazy... I'd imagine this will change in the future, but yes as it shows now, there are two PDX-SAN flights that are a mere 10 minutes apart. Something's gotta be wrong there.

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2158 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 15):
Ha! I noticed this too and came here to see if I was crazy... I'd imagine this will change in the future, but yes as it shows now, there are two PDX-SAN flights that are a mere 10 minutes apart. Something's gotta be wrong there.

   (It's nice to know that someone else caught this as well.) We used to have 4 daily flights between PDX and Lindbergh and I would love to see that business was back up to where we need our 4th flight back but it sure isn't going to be at this schedule!

As I said, I'm sure it has something to do with the new SAN-PVR service but I'm wondering if somehow AS might end up dual-number the PDX-SAN early morning flight so it feeds both the SJD and the PVR flights, and do the same with the 5-6pm return flight? If that were the case, then maybe they could spread out the PDX-SAN flights (if they still do intend on offering 4 a day...) That would mean that the current schedules showing November service simply contain "place-holder" flights.

bb


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