RAAFController From Australia, joined May 2001, 125 posts, RR: 0 Posted (14 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7810 times:
A while back there was a 747...I think it was a BA flight which had all 4 engines fail due to volcanic ash. The pilots eventually started 1 anbd with that were able to use bleed air to start the others. Does anyone know the specifics of the incident? Its just curiosity, but I can't find much info on it. Was it BA?
LMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (14 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7667 times:
Yes, it was BA B747-236B, G-BDXH which flew into a cloud of volcanic dust off Jakarta June 24 1982. All 4 engines flamed out and as they were preparing to ditch the Jumbo, they managed to re-light them and barely managed to make an emergency landing at Jakarta. Full story on McArthur Job's Air Disaster Vol 2.
A40-TY From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7653 times:
Yes it was a British Airways 747-236B, registration G-BDXH, the 'City of Edinburgh' (as it was called at the time), was on it's way to Perth (I think, not sure) and was flying over Indonesia when ash from a nearby volcano caused all 4 engines to cut out.
The volcanic ash was so bad that the flight deck window was completely covered, and the flight crew therefore had terrible visibility problems.
I remember reading a book on the subject, and one page showed a photograph of one of the strobe light covers, it was completely covered with ash, as though someone had sprayed it.
The aircraft in question is still in operation with British Airways (now called 'City of Elgin'), almost 20 years after the incident.
Cathay Pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7609 times:
yeh....a full story was told in AIr Disaster vol 2.....it was a really good (series of) book...you should get a copy.....and i am waiting for vol 4........can't wait....it's coming soon (i think is the next 2 months) in sydney!!!!!!!!!!hooray!!!!!!!!! (but this vol is going to be on propeller planes .......)
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13447 posts, RR: 77
Reply 7, posted (14 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7530 times:
A slim paperback was written about the BA incident, by one of the passengers. It was called 'All 4 Engines Have Failed', no other info, and I've not seen any around for many years.
The title came from Capt. Moody's announcement to the pax, 'Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the Captain speaking, we seem to have a problem, all 4 engines have failed.'
The book was illustrated, including pics taken by pax of each other during the descent, and last notes to loved ones.
I know that at least up until the late 1980's the pax and crew had a annual reunion, they referred to themselves as the gliding club!
Capt. Moody retired from BA in the mid/late 1980's.
Mas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2938 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (14 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7429 times:
It was indeed BA9 which at that time operated LHR-BOM-KUL-PER-MEL. The flight had left Kuala Lumpur - Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah International (then only known as Subang Airport) in the evening on its way to Perth.
That bit about SQ - don't think SQ suffered any similar problems but SQ was in fact involved in that incident as Jakarta ATC had problems understanding Capt. Moody and a nearby SQ service translated some cockpit messages to Jakarta.
TAA_Airbus From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (14 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7380 times:
Ok, Im not really going to say anything different.
But I have read most of the book "All 4 Engines have failed: The Story of Speedbird 9"
He lost all 4 engines and was preparing to ditch into the ocean, but then they thought theyd fire again. So now Cpt Moody was able to turn around to fly back to Jakarta, however, the windscreen was basically all covered with ash and visability was very limited. So he asked Jakarta to turn the lights on highest intensity, of which they already were, so then he requested a Cat 1 ILS, only to find out that the ILS system at Jakarta was down, so he was left to manually fly and land the a/c. The only decent vision he could get thru the window was on the left so he flew the whole approach with his head right to one side. Very much like Ace Ventura in his Car.
Landed safely and the passengers were then ferried onto Perth on BA011.
Good book, try get your hands on it!
RAAFController, what RAAF base are you situated at?
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 7348 times:
I didn't know about the "flying ashtray" moniker. LOL!
I read the story in Air Disaster vol 2. One thing that is striking is the amount of time the 747 was gliding on no engines. I don't have the book with me (I'm in the office, supposedly working), but I seem to remember 15 20 minutes before they managed to light up the engines again.
It is nice to know that they don't just fall out of the sky from engine failure, like they tend to portray in the media and in the movies...
Bombayhog From United States of America, joined May 2001, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 7337 times:
My parents flew LHR-BOS yesterday on "City of Elgin", which I was surprised to find out about, having just read through this thread before they got in. They said it looked like it was falling apart inside, just as a side note.