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Air India Re - Structuring In Progress  
User currently onlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2963 posts, RR: 24
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

As many of you might know Air India is in the process of restructuring its operations and yes, they are doing that gradually and there are visible results that are seen and we shall see in the near future. The common code of AI is to be implemented soon however it seems that Air India Express will remain as a separate entity.


1) Aircrafts:-

Air India has phased out most of their A310s and they have phased out the leased B777s (the ones from UA). The A310s at the moment are doing routes to DMM from 5 points in India. As of today the operational fleet of Air India includes the B777-200LR, B777-300ER, B747-400, A330-200, A321, A320, A319, A310. The B744 does only RUH and have been re instated on CCJ/HYD - JED.

Air India will get its first B787 by march next year, which will be deployed on the DEL - HKG route right away.

2) Routes And Network:-

N. America : JFK, EWR, ORD, LHR, CDG, FRA

Middle East: KWI, JED, RUH, DMM, DXB, SHJ, AUH, MCT. AAN, SLL are the destinations covered by Air India Express only.

Rest Of Asia: KBL, KTM, DAC, CMB, SIN, KUL, BKK, HKG, ICN, KIX, NRT, PVG

The above mentioned international destinations are covered by AI/IC.

The following changes are expected in the network:

* FRA hub to be dumped and just have one terminator flight to FRA. LHR - FRA - ORD, FRA - EWR capacities have been zreo'd out.

* EWR, ORD, AMD-BOM-EWR; ATQ-DEL-HYD-DEL-ORD.

* DEL - SFO non stop still on the cards next year, once the hub at DEL is functional.

* The B77W on the BOM - EWR will be able to carry a maximum of 306 pax, while the inbound flight to BOM will have no penalties. DEL - DEL - ORD.

* There are talks about MEL to be re opened from DEL. Also with the B787s coming up , they will be used to replace the A310s as well as open up thin long haul routes.

* Recently BOM - DXB (AI 717/716 )and BOM - SIN have been upgraded to a B77W which is a same plane service.

* Most of AI's international operations have now headed to DEL at the new integrated T3. In a couple of years time DEL should be a major Star Alliance hub.

[Edited 2010-06-09 03:31:36]


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7139 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
FRA hub to be dumped and just have one terminator flight to FRA. LHR - FRA - ORD, FRA - EWR capacities have been zreo'd out.

What happens to BOM/DEL-ORD then?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7021 times:

Nice Summary Ojas.
I certainly hope the Employee confidence & Political non interference grow & AI reaches its target.



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User currently onlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2963 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6964 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
The B77W on the BOM - EWR will be able to carry a maximum of 306 pax, while the inbound flight to BOM will have no penalties. DEL - DEL - ORD.

This line is to be read as:

The B77W on the BOM - EWR will be able to carry a maximum of 306 pax, while the inbound flight to BOM will have no penalties. DEL - YYZ & DEL- ORD will have only cargo penalties outbound and can operate with full passenger and cargo inbound.



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User currently onlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2963 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6958 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
EWR, ORD, AMD-BOM-EWR; ATQ-DEL-HYD-DEL-ORD.

This line is to be read as:

EWR, ORD, YYZ are expected to go non stop in the following fashion: AMD-BOM-EWR; ATQ-DEL-YYZ and HYD-DEL-ORD.



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User currently offlinemk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6939 times:

After AI ushers in the B787, i would like to see 3 to 4 weekly flights on the DEL-IAD sector which could originate @ CCU.

That would be a nice addition since IAD is one of the major *A hub.



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User currently offlineKLM777300ER From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6862 times:

I too hope AI returns to IAD one day. With the B744s only operating to RUH and CCJ/HYD - JED, does anyone know where AI operated the B744s last summer? I'm curious how drastically they have cut down their B744 operations in the last year.

User currently onlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2963 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6848 times:

Quoting KLM777300ER (Reply 7):
With the B744s only operating to RUH and CCJ/HYD - JED, does anyone know where AI operated the B744s last summer?

The same places as mentioned above, as well as BOM/DEL - JED. Also till June or July 2009 AI operated AMD-BOM-FRA-EWR.



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User currently onlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2963 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6286 times:

The past few months AI was operating an A320 with a technical stop in MCT on the CCJ-DMM and CCJ-RUH route.

Now AI will operate the A310s on the above mentioned route:-

* COK-CCJ-RUH 4 weekly A310 (plus an additional B744 in a triangular operation RUH-TRV-CCJ-RUH which is a B744)

* COK-CCJ-DMM 3 weekly A310.

So the A310s will be doing all flights to DMM from India and on 4 weekly CCJ - RUH as well



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6226 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 8):
AI was operating an A320 with a technical stop in MCT on the CCJ-DMM and CCJ-RUH route.

A320 range with full capacity is 5900kms and

CCJ-DMM is 3443km & CCJ-RUH: 3226km

So why the tech stop?


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6048 times:

Hi Ojas!

Thanks for the info! Great to see AI finally making progress!

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
* FRA hub to be dumped

What's the day/month for getting rid of FRA as a hub ? Was planning another spotting trip there just to get the AI 777s.

Thanks

The777Man



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User currently onlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

What about the rumour about using DUB as a transit hub?

User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3890 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Interesting... BOM is the pits for connections that's for sure, so it only makes sense to use the new T-3 in DEL as a transit point. With that said, it appears they'll only serve EWR in the states from BOM. I guess that's the only nonstop market in the States that would work for them? It's about time AI gets organized.

User currently offlinetk747 From Australia, joined Sep 2009, 339 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

Wasn't air India going to open a hub in Milan?

User currently onlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2963 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5938 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 10):
What's the day/month for getting rid of FRA as a hub ?

FRA hub will cease to exist effective winter 2010.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 11):
What about the rumour about using DUB as a transit hub?

No EU hub at all.

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 12):
BOM is the pits for connections that's for sure,

Only for domestic, for international to international connections the transit is good.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

Quoting tk747 (Reply 13):
Wasn't air India going to open a hub in Milan?

I wonder if AI is dropping the idea of a Euro hub.

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 12):
With that said, it appears they'll only serve EWR in the states from BOM. I guess that's the only nonstop market in the States that would work for them? It's about time AI gets organized.

BOM-ORD should work too, with UA feed/codeshare.


User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3890 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5933 times:

Ojas - yes, I should have specified... to and from domestic transfers are the pits. As long as you don't have to leave the international terminal, BOM is fine.

LAX - I would have thought BOM would warrant more than EWR. Your example for ORD seems logical, as UA doesn't even serve India anymore.


User currently onlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2963 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 15):
BOM-ORD should work too, with UA feed/codeshare.
Quoting azjubilee (Reply 16):
I would have thought BOM would warrant more than EWR. Your example for ORD seems logical, as UA doesn't even serve India anymore.

It is better to have ORD from DEL ... as AI wants to make DEL a mega hub, DEL can offer better connections than BOM.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 17):
It is better to have ORD from DEL ... as AI wants to make DEL a mega hub, DEL can offer better connections than BOM.
DEL mega hub strategy is worth a try. The only concern I have is the possibility of even higher fuel prices in the future. My calculations suggest that beyond $3 a gallon, you need to have much higher yield than one-stop flights to remain profitable. Good luck to AI.

Ojas,
Would you please summarise all of the planned India-NA non-stops and the associated aircraft. Thanks in advance.

[Edited 2010-06-10 10:42:38]

User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3890 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5764 times:

DEL may be a better connecting airport, but one cannot forget the roughly 20 million people that live and work in Mumbai. Granted, not all 20 million travel for work and pleasure but being the larger city and having a lot of business ties, one would think AI would serve the O&D market a little better.

User currently onlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2963 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 18):
Ojas,
Would you please summarise all of the planned India-NA non-stops and the associated aircraft. Thanks in advance.

Already existing flights to N. America:

HYD-BOM-JFK; Daily B77L
CCU-DEL-JFK; Daily B77L

HYD-BOM-FRA-ORD: Daily B77W
AMD-FRA-EWR: Daily B77W
DEL-LHR-YYZ: 3 weekly B77W
ATQ-LHR-YYZ: 4 weekly B77W

In November 2010 the flights to USA will look like:-

BOM - JFK; Daily B77L
DEL - JFK; Daily B77L

Expected:

ATQ-DEL-YYZ; 4-5 weekly B77W
HYD-DEL-ORD; daily B77W
AMD-BOM-EWR; Daily B77W



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User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3890 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5692 times:

Seems odd that they'd serve both EWR and JFK nonstop from BOM. Maybe they should shift the BOM-JFK flight to ORD instead as well as shifting the DEL-JFK flight to EWR. EWR is the logical NY gateway since there is a Star presence with CO.

BOM-EWR, ORD and SFO in some form of combination with their own metal, CO and UA. Also DEL-YYZ, EWR, ORD, IAD and SFO as well. That would all make the most sense at least from a coverage and alliance standpoint.

[Edited 2010-06-10 13:12:54]

User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8507 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5672 times:
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Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
they have phased out the leased B777s (the ones from UA)

- Are these stored in DEL/BOM?



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2165 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

So what will happen to the existing European operations? What will schedules/services look like now for FRA/CDG/LHR-India flights?

Quoting ojas (Reply 4):

EWR, ORD, YYZ are expected to go non stop in the following fashion: AMD-BOM-EWR; ATQ-DEL-YYZ and HYD-DEL-ORD.

This is wonderful news to hear. Both YYZ, ORD, and EWR are Star Alliance hubs. Will Air India offer interline/codesharing with UA/CO/AC on these routes?

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 18):
DEL mega hub strategy is worth a try.
Quoting azjubilee (Reply 19):
DEL may be a better connecting airport, but one cannot forget the roughly 20 million people that live and work in Mumbai. Granted, not all 20 million travel for work and pleasure but being the larger city and having a lot of business ties, one would think AI would serve the O&D market a little better.

The new Terminal facilities in DEL are supposed to be state of the art. I hope for DEL that the mega hub strategy works.



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User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5526 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 22):
Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
they have phased out the leased B777s (the ones from UA)

- Are these stored in DEL/BOM?

Why would they be in India at all...? I think they belonged to some US based leasing company, not to UA.....so, they would have gone back there and maybe on to some new customer or to the desert.....but it would be good to know where they are now......


25 LAXDESI : EK does(has done?) DXB-SFO(7041 nm) with a B773ER. AI should consider using its B773ERs on DEL-SFO(6607 nm) and DEL-LAX(6963 nm). AI's OEW for its 773
26 Post contains images karan69 : Guru, what Airbus and Boeing both quote are figures with full pax and respective luggage assuming the weight per passenger along with bags being 210
27 ba319-131 : -Yes, that's is why I asked the question, just interested to know where they were.
28 karan69 : Answered it partly above. Karan
29 LAXDESI : I will attempt a simple back of the envelope analysis for DEL-ORD non-stop versus DEL-FRA-ORD--both on 773ER. DEL-ORD non-stop is around 6,500nm, and
30 comorin : LAXDESI, did you compute in the fact that the N/S takes on 38,000 gallons of fuel whereas the 1/S take on 43,000/2 gallons of fuel at start of journey
31 VIDP : Sorry to nitpick but cargo potential on each flight would vary depending upon how much load and passenger the flight is carrying. Passenger baggage i
32 Post contains links LAXDESI : I am assuming that the one-stop would refuel at FRA, and therefore can carry more structural payload than the non-stop. I don't dispute anything you
33 karan69 : LAXDESI keep in mind that Air Indias flights to ORD barely get any passengers originating from Germany as the Flights depart from FRA to early to ena
34 IrishAyes : 9W tried this strategy flying BOM-PVG-SFO and it failed. Not exactly sure why, but it makes me hesitant to believe AI would want to venture that way
35 karan69 : The failure for 9Ws route to SFO was not entirely global recession that may have at most caused them to cut back from daily to 4x weekly, The failure
36 vin2basketball : Here's How AI should approach their new routes. If I were starting them from scratch internationally. They have by my count 9x 77W 8x 77L 6x 744 6x 31
37 The777Man : I disagree; they should not get any more A330s. AI should wait with expansion until they get their DEL hub up and running and by that time, they will
38 karan69 : (checkmark) First let them implement their own planned hub and spoke system and maximise aircraft utilisation Karan
39 ojas : Air India is on a massive re structuring spree. All old aircrafts will be replaced by new ones with new inflight product. Here are few points to elabo
40 Post contains images ronerone : AI as well as IX fly to AUH I just saw AI's A321 at AUH this morning.
41 Post contains images ojas : There was a full stop after MCT. AAN, SLL are the 2 destinations served by AIX only!
42 IndianicWorld : Is there seriously that much demand for that many flight additions, plus its other Indian competitors flights and there Golf carriers flights too? Th
43 ronerone : Ah yes! LOL
44 abrelosojos : = Nice and interesting summary. I would also add TLV to the list which should be commenced soon enough. Saludos, A.
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