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BA 777-300ER Routes & Config  
User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 22711 times:

As per 09JUN10 GDS timetable display, planned British Airways’ Long-haul operation for 2010/11 Winter season as follows.

Also, New Boeing 777-300ER aircraft is scheduled to enter service starting 20AUG10.

All info listed below are subject to change in the coming months.

Boeing 777-300ER Routes
From 20AUG10 until 30OCT10
London Heathrow – Chicago BA297/296 (Day 3)
London Heathrow – Delhi BA257/256 (Day 2; Day 3 from DEL)
London Heathrow – Dubai BA107/106 (Day 46; Day 57 from DXB)
London Heathrow – Mumbai BA139/138 Day 57 (eff 22AUG10; Day 16 from BOM)

Below is effective 31OCT10
London Heathrow – Dubai BA107/106 Daily
London Heathrow – Mumbai BA139/138 Daily

Boeing 777-300ER Configuration
FIRST 14 Seats, New Seating
Rows 1 – 4
Layout A – EF – K
Exception Row 3 configures in A – K

Club World 56 Seats, New Seating
Layout AB – DEFG – JK
Rearface Seats A E F K
Rows 10 – 16
Wing Section Rows 13 – 16
Bassinet Seating 16E/16F

World Traveller Plus 44 Seats, New Seating
Layout AB – DEFG – JK
Rows 21 – 26
Exit Row 22
Exception Row 21 layout: DEFG (Also Bulkhead Row)
WTP Cabin located at the Wing Section

World Traveller 183 Seats
Layout ABC – DEF – HJK
Rows 28 – 35, 37 – 50
Bulkhead Rows 28, 37
Exit Row 37
Exception
Row 28: AB – DEFJK
Row 34: DEF – HJK (34 ABC replaced by Galley)
Row 35: DEFJK (35 ABC replaced by lavatory)
Row 49: AB – DEFJK
Row 50: AB – DEF
Unaccompanied Minor Seating 47HJK / 48 HJK
Bassinet Seating 28A, 28K, 37D, 37F
Blocked Seating 28A, 28K, Row 37 (Except E), 47HJK, 48HJK
Preferred Access C (Row 30-34, 38-48) D (Row 29-35, 38-50) H (Row 30-34, 38-48)


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User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1775 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 22351 times:

Cheers for this info!

Amadeus is still showing it as just 777 instead of 773 or 77W but looking at the seat plans its definately the new 773

Cant wait to see this in service



There's flying and then there's flying
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6335 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 22332 times:

Wow, India sounds like a quite high yielding place for BA.. Can someone confirm?


It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 22121 times:

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
Boeing 777-300ER Configuration
FIRST 14 Seats, New Seating
Rows 1 – 4
Layout A – EF – K
Exception Row 3 configures in A – K

Can anyone confirm why the middle section of row three would be missing?


User currently offlineAZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 21261 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 3):
Can anyone confirm why the middle section of row three would be missing?

That is just the design of the FIRST class for BA. The seats are placed at an angle and there is not enough room to have 4 rows in the middle, but there are 4 rows on the sides. If you look at seatguru.com on any BA plane equipped with FIRST you will have a clearer idea of what it looks like.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16934 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 21230 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
Wow, India sounds like a quite high yielding place for BA.. Can someone confirm?

Somebody high up from BA publicly stated that nothing in India was profitable anymore, but perhaps things have changed.



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 20919 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Somebody high up from BA publicly stated that nothing in India was profitable anymore, but perhaps things have changed.

Wouldn't surprise me, with all that competition. Fares to India seem very low, and there just so many airlines offering flights. From Berlin for example, where there is no direct flight, one can take connections with 9W, AI, BA, EK, IT, LX, LH, SN, TK, VS, SU, AY, etc.

So many carriers offering flights will reduce profitability.


User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3799 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 20876 times:

Maybe that's just it... the 77W could have superior costs, therefore making India profitable again. I find it interesting that they wouldn't choose a consistent schedule for the a/c instead opting to have 77W service only on select days. Looks like they're spreading 1 plane over several cities in the beginning. Maybe they're doing it to start proving operationally which cities are the best fit, much like KLM did with their 77Ws.

User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 20808 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
Wow, India sounds like a quite high yielding place for BA.. Can someone confirm?

Not sure about the yield, but the Indian carriers for most part have 3 class 773s on India-LHR routes. BA has to respond with better hard product if it is to maintain market share for high yield passengers.

I recently flew LAX-LHR on United, LHR-BOM on Jet, and on the return flew BOM-FRA on AI, and FRA-LAX on LH. The Indian carriers had better hard and soft product than UA/LH. I had not flown AI for a long time, and was pleasantly surprised with both the hard and the soft product. Another thing, Indian carriers always do a better job with Indian vegetarian food, which is a big factor for me.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 19974 times:

Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
World Traveller 183 Seats
Layout ABC – DEF – HJK

Glad to see they haven't followed carriers like AF and KL. and the various other 10-abreast 777 carriers like EK, and are retaining 9-abreast in Y class on the 77Ws.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 19383 times:

Will BA send their 77Ws to JFK?


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User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 17984 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 10):
Will BA send their 77Ws to JFK?

No, not at least for the remaining summer and next winter timetables. They will mainly be seen on ORD/DXB/India routes as stated above. I would be less suprised to see them at EWR over JFK.


User currently offlineCarlisle From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 271 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16792 times:

Cheers to see the new 777-300ER routes!   

Please BA, send the 777-300ER to JFK sometime. I would be nice to see some more 777s, especially of the widebody persuasion.

Cheers,
Jeremy



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User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 16260 times:

I'm surprised BA is sending the 77W on routes that definitely don't require its range. Are there any plans to put its range to good use, like LHR-SYD n/s?


"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlineworldliner From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15942 times:

Will be good to see the 77W in BA colours, i would of thought it would be on longer routes though such as the far east/south-east Asia.


@777Worldliner
User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7256 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15827 times:

Quoting c5load (Reply 13):
I'm surprised BA is sending the 77W on routes that definitely don't require its range. Are there any plans to put its range to good use, like LHR-SYD n/s?

I am only guessing but it might be aircraft utilisation.

Compare the two flights to DEL with those to SYD. They leave LHR at 1010 hrs and 1735 hrs. They arrive back from DEL at 0645 hrs and 1250 hrs in plenty of time for another rotation on what is Day 2 (after deparrture). The two flights to SYD depart at 2135 hrs and 2200 hrs, spend 10 hrs 15 mins and 10 hrs 35 mins respectively on the ground in SYD (waiting for the LHR night curfew to end) and arrive at LHR at 0535 hrs and 0625 hrs on Day 3 after departure.


User currently offlineUALORD From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15331 times:

Will ORD go daily when they get more 300's in?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14616 times:

Related to BA aircraft changes, looks like Bangalore, Beijing and Dallas will get the 747-400 this winter.


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User currently offlinebaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2026 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13819 times:

Quoting c5load (Reply 13):
I'm surprised BA is sending the 77W on routes that definitely don't require its range. Are there any plans to put its range to good use, like LHR-SYD n/s?

The 77W won't make LHR-SYD nonstop, even with a lower density configuration as BA has elected to operate with this aircraft. If you did see it on LHR-SYD, it would be on the routes they currently use with the 744.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
Glad to see they haven't followed carriers like AF and KL. and the various other 10-abreast 777 carriers like EK, and are retaining 9-abreast in Y class on the 77Ws.

Absolutely! However, don't be surprised if down the road, BA doesn't go this direction as well. The trend with the 777 is to move Y to 10 across (3-4-3) with a slimmed down seat and armrests to gain additional capacity out of the aircraft. KL has done it with the 77W and will likely change the 772 product to match, as AF now has done with all its 777s that has the Premiere Voyageur product installed. EK is using the 77W on SFO-DXB (about 14 1/2 hours eastbound) and the 77L on LAX-DXB...I wouldn't want to fly Y on those flights in a 17 inch wide/32 inch pitch seat.

Kudos to BA for staying with nine across for now and I look forward to seeing it on LHR-SEA down the road.

baw716



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15470 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13730 times:

Quoting UALORD (Reply 16):
Will ORD go daily when they get more 300's in?

I wouldn't be surprised, especially when the economy returns. ORD has been bounced between various combinations of 772s and 744s with the occasional 767 for a while.



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User currently offlinedlphoenix From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13280 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 8):
Not sure about the yield, but the Indian carriers for most part have 3 class 773s on India-LHR routes. BA has to respond with better hard product if it is to maintain market share for high yield passengers.

I recently flew LAX-LHR on United, LHR-BOM on Jet, and on the return flew BOM-FRA on AI, and FRA-LAX on LH. The Indian carriers had better hard and soft product than UA/LH. I had not flown AI for a long time, and was pleasantly surprised with both the hard and the soft product. Another thing, Indian carriers always do a better job with Indian vegetarian food, which is a big factor for me.

1) BA's current premium (J and F) product is in line with the premium product offered by the indian carriers (with the exception of Jet's FC suites).
2) The BA 77W will not offer a significant upgarde in the on-board product.
3) I have no inside information, but I wouldn't expect BA to invest in increasing market share in a market where the local airlines are shedding capacity.

Quoting worldliner (Reply 14):
Will be good to see the 77W in BA colours, i would of thought it would be on longer routes though such as the far east/south-east Asia.

They start with a single frame, and it replaces a 4 class 77E in the rotation to optimize utilization. They will assign them to dedicated routes when the sub-fleet is large enough to schedule optimum route combinations.

DLP


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13167 times:
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Quoting azjubilee (Reply 7):
Maybe that's just it... the 77W could have superior costs, therefore making India profitable again. I find it interesting that they wouldn't choose a consistent schedule for the a/c instead opting to have 77W service only on select days. Looks like they're spreading 1 plane over several cities in the beginning. Maybe they're doing it to start proving operationally which cities are the best fit, much like KLM did with their 77Ws.

Perhaps we'll see BA schedule the 77W to LAX on the 3rd daily flight when the loads are lighter and they have a a/c available to do a rotation such as this. During the slow season, this would be an ideal a/c when the demand for the 744 is much lower on certain days. It will allow BA to cut operational costs by operating a more efficient a/c. The same goes for SFO. PHX?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Related to BA aircraft changes, looks like Bangalore, Beijing and Dallas will get the 747-400 this winter

This makes sense for BA to bring their 744 into DFW with the JV beginning in the not far off future.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 19):
I wouldn't be surprised, especially when the economy returns. ORD has been bounced between various combinations of 772s and 744s with the occasional 767 for a while.

Luckily for BA they have the varied widebody fleet which gives them the flexibility to up or downgauge each flight according to demand on certain days of the week and times of the year.

I hope we'll see BA order additional 77Ws.

Quoting dlphoenix (Reply 20):
2) The BA 77W will not offer a significant upgarde in the on-board product.


User currently offline_AA_777_MAN From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12885 times:

Quoting baw716 (Reply 18):
Quoting c5load (Reply 13):
I'm surprised BA is sending the 77W on routes that definitely don't require its range. Are there any plans to put its range to good use, like LHR-SYD n/s?


The 77W won't make LHR-SYD nonstop, even with a lower density configuration as BA has elected to operate with this aircraft. If you did see it on LHR-SYD, it would be on the routes they currently use with the 744.

Nobody flies LHR-SYD non-stop.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12794 times:

Quoting baw716 (Reply 18):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
Glad to see they haven't followed carriers like AF and KL. and the various other 10-abreast 777 carriers like EK, and are retaining 9-abreast in Y class on the 77Ws.

Absolutely! However, don't be surprised if down the road, BA doesn't go this direction as well. The trend with the 777 is to move Y to 10 across (3-4-3) with a slimmed down seat and armrests to gain additional capacity out of the aircraft. KL has done it with the 77W and will likely change the 772 product to match, as AF now has done with all its 777s that has the Premiere Voyageur product installed. EK is using the 77W on SFO-DXB (about 14 1/2 hours eastbound) and the 77L on LAX-DXB...I wouldn't want to fly Y on those flights in a 17 inch wide/32 inch pitch seat.

If Boeing goes with the B77NG-this will probably mean thinner side-walls,etc. and allowing for a more comfortable 10-across.....



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User currently offlineb764 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12384 times:

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 1):
Amadeus is still showing it as just 777 instead of 773 or 77W but looking at the seat plans its definately the new 773

I've been using Amadeus for a while, where can I find out the aircraft flying the route?


25 Post contains links and images speedmarque : Here she is. Out of paint hangar last night. http://kpae.blogspot.com/search?upda...0%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=50
26 BMI727 : Certainly not bad, but the BA livery doesn't look as good on longer planes, or maybe the livery makes the plane look longer.
27 BA174 : Yes the speedmarque looks a bit on the small side but otherwise it looks good. When is it's first flight?
28 timboflier215 : I thought it would be the 1st a/c to feature the new BA Y and Y+ cabins? A fairly significant upgrade if you ask me. Thanks, Speedmarque! Looks very
29 OEH68 : Wow, looks stunning!
30 Post contains images fca767 : Singapore 777-300ER - Manchester - Munich - Singapore as per my recent trip report
31 dlphoenix : I thought it would be the 1st a/c to feature the new BA Y and Y+ cabins? A fairly significant upgrade if you ask me. Nothing in the changes that will
32 BA174 : BA have had J beds instead of cradle seats and AVOD/personal TV in Y for years now. Do you not mean second generation CW beds and a new AVOD system.
33 timboflier215 : That is true, but then I believe the combo of BA's hard and soft products is good enough to match or beat almost every other airline. They were never
34 Post contains images laca773 : Thanks for posting, speedmarque. We'll see many more fotos of her and her sisters to come .
35 BMI727 : That must be what it is. I think that they should enlarge it a bit.
36 dlphoenix : This is in line with my original post: I was trying to defend my earlier statement that the 77W brings no significant change in the on-line product.
37 baw716 : Very true...but I believe the person who made the original quote was speaking hypothetically. Of course, if you get the weight right, you can make LH
38 vv701 : The total number of seats on a BA 77W (297) will actually be very slightly more than on a BA 'Hi J' 744 (291) (but significantly less than on their 7
39 Post contains images NASCARAirforce : I never seen a narrowbody 777 BAW station manager at MCO was sending us stats of the 77W to see if it will fit at their current gate that they use, w
40 laca773 : Thanks for the information, w701. I apreceiate it. This is very interesting. I would never have suspected the 77W to be as close to the 744s as it is
41 Thorben : That combined with less fuel usage and higher cargo capacity will really be a cost advantage.
42 Jacobin777 : Actually, it can in theory with about about 200 pax. The problem is fares can't be justified. There is just too much competition with 1-stop service.
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