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Does Lufthansa Own Star Alliance?  
User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1127 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8031 times:

I know Star Alliance is owned by all partners, but could someone please tell Bloomberg?

Quote:
Ethiopia Airlines is close to signing an agreement to join Deutsche Lufthansa AG’s Star Alliance, ...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=akZjMQ9NeRcE

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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8004 times:

You got to love the media, I would hate to think how long a thread would be if it was all about "Media Aviation Misreporting!"

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4487 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Lufthansa is (one of the) the driving force(s) behind *A, but doesn't own it.

User currently offlineConti764 From Belgium, joined Dec 2007, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7776 times:

The way it is written it could just mean that Ethopian is on it's way to the same alliance as Lufthansa. That statement doesn't imply ownership of LH...

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7693 times:

LH is one of the founders and (fully or partially) owns several of the members, LX, OS, BD, SN.

User currently offlineLHRNUE From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6717 times:

Which type of legal form does Star Alliance have?

User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

Quoting robffm2 (Thread starter):
I know Star Alliance is owned by all partners, but could someone please tell Bloomberg?

But where does that even remotely either say, or even imply, that Star Alliance is owned by LH? In my opinion it simply boils down to how you are strangely, but incorrectly, interpreting it.


User currently offlinenyc2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
But where does that even remotely either say, or even imply, that Star Alliance is owned by LH? In my opinion it simply boils down to how you are strangely, but incorrectly, interpreting it.

The apostrophe. At least in American English, we are taught the apostrophe when used with a name signifies possession or ownership.



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User currently offlineDariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6192 times:

If I recall correctly, isn't the Star Alliance headquarters in Frankfurt?


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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 8):
If I recall correctly, isn't the Star Alliance headquarters in Frankfurt?

That is correct:

http://www.staralliance.com/en/legal/impressum-legal/
Registered in the Trade Register
Lower District Court Frankfurt/Main, HRB 50030
USR-IDNR: DE813350244


User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5362 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

If LH is sponsoring ET's membership, I can see where the confusion might lie. Are they?


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User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8718 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5755 times:
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Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 10):
If LH is sponsoring ET's membership, I can see where the confusion might lie. Are they?

I don't think that it has been announced yet who would be sponsoring ET , but it would make sense for it to be LH . LH ( and fully or partially LH owned airlines such as BD and SN ) have close ties to ET , certainly closer than most other *A carriers . LH and ET already co-ordinate schedules between FRA and ADD , and Sheba Miles and Miles & More have reciprocal earning .



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 9):
That is correct:

http://www.staralliance.com/en/legal/impressum-legal/
Registered in the Trade Register
Lower District Court Frankfurt/Main, HRB 50030
USR-IDNR: DE813350244

Interesting to see that it is actually "Star Alliance Services GmbH", with GmbH being the German version of a limited company. Didn't know that before.


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4288 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

Star Alliance was founded by


Air Canada
Lufthansa
Scandinavian Airlines System
Thai Airways International
United Airlines

The star emblem with it's 5 tags represents these 5 founding airlines


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3306 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4644 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
But where does that even remotely either say, or even imply, that Star Alliance is owned by LH? In my opinion it simply boils down to how you are strangely, but incorrectly, interpreting it.

How about the possessive apostrophe+s? Neither strange nor incorrect - you may wish to consult a standard grammar text.



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User currently offlineFN1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

In 2008 I put a big amount of money in LH shares at about 14€ each. I always hope that rumours like this, LH would own Star Alliance, will bring the price back in regions where I can get out without losses.


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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3747 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

If it doesn't, it sure seems like it...just like AA/BA with oneworld and DL/AF/KLwith SkyTeam...


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 11131 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):

But where does that even remotely either say, or even imply, that Star Alliance is owned by LH? In my opinion it simply boils down to how you are strangely, but incorrectly, interpreting it.

Might have something to do with how the sentence is structured and the use of the apostrophe, denoting possession?

Quoting robffm2 (Thread starter):
Deutsche Lufthansa AG’s Star Alliance, ...



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1077 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
But where does that even remotely either say, or even imply, that Star Alliance is owned by LH? In my opinion it simply boils down to how you are strangely, but incorrectly, interpreting it.
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 14):
How about the possessive apostrophe+s? Neither strange nor incorrect - you may wish to consult a standard grammar text.
Quoting mayor (Reply 17):
Might have something to do with how the sentence is structured and the use of the apostrophe, denoting possession?

An apostrophe does not automatically denote ownership of something. If I wrote about “my son’s school”, does it mean that my son is the owner of his school? No, it just means he is a member and part of it, just like LH is a member and part of Star Alliance.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 11131 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3862 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 18):
An apostrophe does not automatically denote ownership of something. If I wrote about “my son’s school”, does it mean that my son is the owner of his school? No, it just means he is a member and part of it, just like LH is a member and part of Star Alliance.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but the apostrophe DOES denote possession, does it not?



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1749 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3835 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 19):
I hadn't thought of it that way, but the apostrophe DOES denote possession, does it not?

Yes. Though in this and other cases it can be a reverse possessive, the primary and majority connotation is ownership of the latter by the former.



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Quoting robffm2 (Thread starter):
Quoting robffm2 (Thread starter):
I know Star Alliance is owned by all partners, but could someone please tell Bloomberg?

Quote:
Ethiopia
Airlines is close to signing an agreement to join Deutsche Lufthansa AG’s Star Alliance, ...

The text may be ambigous for some, but the fact is that LH seems to own *A, at least in Europe, now that SAS is having deep financial issues.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 4188 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

In a GmbH, you cannot see who owns the company. So it is hard to tell who is the owner of the Star Alliance Services GmbH.

We do not know either whether the "Star Alliance Services GmbH" is the only Star Alliance company. Lufthansa has dozens of other companies owned by the mother, as well.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4313 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3320 times:
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Quoting Mortyman (Reply 13):
Star Alliance was founded by


Air Canada
Lufthansa
Scandinavian Airlines System
Thai Airways International
United Airlines

The star emblem with it's 5 tags represents these 5 founding airlines

That is absolutely correct. But you should also remember that prior to the founding of Star Alliance, United and Lufthansa were already working together. I remember way back in 1994/1995, United and Lufthansa were already code sharing.
Star Alliance was founded in the late 90's, with the five airlines that you mention.

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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26792 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 23):
But you should also remember that prior to the founding of Star Alliance, United and Lufthansa were already working together. I remember way back in 1994/1995, United and Lufthansa were already code sharing.

The US and Germany reached an Open Skies agreement in February 1996 and LH and UA were granted antirust immunity for their 2-carrier alliance 3 months later in May 1996, a year before the Star Alliance was created. I believe LH/UA were the first carriers granted ATI after KL/NW in January 1993.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting FN1001 (Reply 15):
In 2008 I put a big amount of money in LH shares at about 14€ each. I always hope that rumours like this, LH would own Star Alliance, will bring the price back in regions where I can get out without losses.

Honestly, my first thought after seeing pictures of the LH A380 cabin interior was, they can't compete with that cabin. Not against what we have seen from other carriers. Low quality, high prices, that is LH. Not a good outlook.


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