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Does Lufthansa Own Star Alliance?  
User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7798 times:

I know Star Alliance is owned by all partners, but could someone please tell Bloomberg?

Quote:
Ethiopia Airlines is close to signing an agreement to join Deutsche Lufthansa AG’s Star Alliance, ...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=akZjMQ9NeRcE

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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7771 times:

You got to love the media, I would hate to think how long a thread would be if it was all about "Media Aviation Misreporting!"

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7604 times:

Lufthansa is (one of the) the driving force(s) behind *A, but doesn't own it.

User currently offlineConti764 From Belgium, joined Dec 2007, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7543 times:

The way it is written it could just mean that Ethopian is on it's way to the same alliance as Lufthansa. That statement doesn't imply ownership of LH...

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

LH is one of the founders and (fully or partially) owns several of the members, LX, OS, BD, SN.

User currently offlineLHRNUE From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6484 times:

Which type of legal form does Star Alliance have?

User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

Quoting robffm2 (Thread starter):
I know Star Alliance is owned by all partners, but could someone please tell Bloomberg?

But where does that even remotely either say, or even imply, that Star Alliance is owned by LH? In my opinion it simply boils down to how you are strangely, but incorrectly, interpreting it.


User currently offlinenyc2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5987 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
But where does that even remotely either say, or even imply, that Star Alliance is owned by LH? In my opinion it simply boils down to how you are strangely, but incorrectly, interpreting it.

The apostrophe. At least in American English, we are taught the apostrophe when used with a name signifies possession or ownership.



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User currently offlineDariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5959 times:

If I recall correctly, isn't the Star Alliance headquarters in Frankfurt?


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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5583 times:

Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 8):
If I recall correctly, isn't the Star Alliance headquarters in Frankfurt?

That is correct:

http://www.staralliance.com/en/legal/impressum-legal/
Registered in the Trade Register
Lower District Court Frankfurt/Main, HRB 50030
USR-IDNR: DE813350244


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5111 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5535 times:

If LH is sponsoring ET's membership, I can see where the confusion might lie. Are they?


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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5522 times:
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Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 10):
If LH is sponsoring ET's membership, I can see where the confusion might lie. Are they?

I don't think that it has been announced yet who would be sponsoring ET , but it would make sense for it to be LH . LH ( and fully or partially LH owned airlines such as BD and SN ) have close ties to ET , certainly closer than most other *A carriers . LH and ET already co-ordinate schedules between FRA and ADD , and Sheba Miles and Miles & More have reciprocal earning .



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5100 times:

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 9):
That is correct:

http://www.staralliance.com/en/legal/impressum-legal/
Registered in the Trade Register
Lower District Court Frankfurt/Main, HRB 50030
USR-IDNR: DE813350244

Interesting to see that it is actually "Star Alliance Services GmbH", with GmbH being the German version of a limited company. Didn't know that before.


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4644 times:

Star Alliance was founded by


Air Canada
Lufthansa
Scandinavian Airlines System
Thai Airways International
United Airlines

The star emblem with it's 5 tags represents these 5 founding airlines


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3004 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
But where does that even remotely either say, or even imply, that Star Alliance is owned by LH? In my opinion it simply boils down to how you are strangely, but incorrectly, interpreting it.

How about the possessive apostrophe+s? Neither strange nor incorrect - you may wish to consult a standard grammar text.



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User currently offlineFN1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

In 2008 I put a big amount of money in LH shares at about 14€ each. I always hope that rumours like this, LH would own Star Alliance, will bring the price back in regions where I can get out without losses.


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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3104 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4103 times:

If it doesn't, it sure seems like it...just like AA/BA with oneworld and DL/AF/KLwith SkyTeam...


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10428 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):

But where does that even remotely either say, or even imply, that Star Alliance is owned by LH? In my opinion it simply boils down to how you are strangely, but incorrectly, interpreting it.

Might have something to do with how the sentence is structured and the use of the apostrophe, denoting possession?

Quoting robffm2 (Thread starter):
Deutsche Lufthansa AG’s Star Alliance, ...



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
But where does that even remotely either say, or even imply, that Star Alliance is owned by LH? In my opinion it simply boils down to how you are strangely, but incorrectly, interpreting it.
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 14):
How about the possessive apostrophe+s? Neither strange nor incorrect - you may wish to consult a standard grammar text.
Quoting mayor (Reply 17):
Might have something to do with how the sentence is structured and the use of the apostrophe, denoting possession?

An apostrophe does not automatically denote ownership of something. If I wrote about “my son’s school”, does it mean that my son is the owner of his school? No, it just means he is a member and part of it, just like LH is a member and part of Star Alliance.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10428 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 18):
An apostrophe does not automatically denote ownership of something. If I wrote about “my son’s school”, does it mean that my son is the owner of his school? No, it just means he is a member and part of it, just like LH is a member and part of Star Alliance.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but the apostrophe DOES denote possession, does it not?



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1572 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 19):
I hadn't thought of it that way, but the apostrophe DOES denote possession, does it not?

Yes. Though in this and other cases it can be a reverse possessive, the primary and majority connotation is ownership of the latter by the former.



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Quoting robffm2 (Thread starter):
Quoting robffm2 (Thread starter):
I know Star Alliance is owned by all partners, but could someone please tell Bloomberg?

Quote:
Ethiopia
Airlines is close to signing an agreement to join Deutsche Lufthansa AG’s Star Alliance, ...

The text may be ambigous for some, but the fact is that LH seems to own *A, at least in Europe, now that SAS is having deep financial issues.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3595 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

In a GmbH, you cannot see who owns the company. So it is hard to tell who is the owner of the Star Alliance Services GmbH.

We do not know either whether the "Star Alliance Services GmbH" is the only Star Alliance company. Lufthansa has dozens of other companies owned by the mother, as well.


User currently onlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3795 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3087 times:
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Quoting Mortyman (Reply 13):
Star Alliance was founded by


Air Canada
Lufthansa
Scandinavian Airlines System
Thai Airways International
United Airlines

The star emblem with it's 5 tags represents these 5 founding airlines

That is absolutely correct. But you should also remember that prior to the founding of Star Alliance, United and Lufthansa were already working together. I remember way back in 1994/1995, United and Lufthansa were already code sharing.
Star Alliance was founded in the late 90's, with the five airlines that you mention.

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 23):
But you should also remember that prior to the founding of Star Alliance, United and Lufthansa were already working together. I remember way back in 1994/1995, United and Lufthansa were already code sharing.

The US and Germany reached an Open Skies agreement in February 1996 and LH and UA were granted antirust immunity for their 2-carrier alliance 3 months later in May 1996, a year before the Star Alliance was created. I believe LH/UA were the first carriers granted ATI after KL/NW in January 1993.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Quoting FN1001 (Reply 15):
In 2008 I put a big amount of money in LH shares at about 14€ each. I always hope that rumours like this, LH would own Star Alliance, will bring the price back in regions where I can get out without losses.

Honestly, my first thought after seeing pictures of the LH A380 cabin interior was, they can't compete with that cabin. Not against what we have seen from other carriers. Low quality, high prices, that is LH. Not a good outlook.


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