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Finnair 5xA321 (Sharklets) & Germania 5xA319 MOUs  
User currently offlineJack From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 116 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9867 times:

2 further MOUs for Airbus.

Finnair for 5 A321s with Sharklets, Germania for 5 A319.

I just wonder what they have saved up for Farnborough !

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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9836 times:
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Quoting Jack (Thread starter):
Finnair for 5 A321s with Sharklets,

Is that the first order for 'sharkletted' A321s ?

Quoting Jack (Thread starter):
I just wonder what they have saved up for Farnborough !

I would be happy to be proven wrong , but I think Farnborough maybe a bit of an anti-climax this year as far as Civil orders go .



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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9824 times:

Quoting Jack (Thread starter):
Finnair for 5 A321s


those are to replace the 757,s....then there will not be any Boeing left within Finnair,right?
Good times for Airbus at the moment   



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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9825 times:

Is the Finnair order for these A321's to replace their departing charter 757's?


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User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9803 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
I would be happy to be proven wrong , but I think Farnborough maybe a bit of an anti-climax this year as far as Civil orders go .

Do you have any idea why? Can airlines just not wait for placing their orders, or does it mean that the importance of the Berlin Air Show is rising in comparison to Paris and Farnborough?

Anyway, congrats to AY and 4U for their orders. In 4U's case, will what do you think which base will strengthened with the additional planes? Or maybe even a new base?



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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 3):
Is the Finnair order for these A321's to replace their departing charter 757's?


That's correct my friend  



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User currently offlineJack From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9756 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
Is that the first order for 'sharkletted' A321s ?

The Airbus press release indicates that is the case:

Finnair has signed a Letter of Intent (LOI) for five Airbus A321s equipped with the new fuel-saving Sharklet wing tip devices, becoming the world’s first airline to commit to the A321 with Sharklets


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12409 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9608 times:

Quoting Jack (Thread starter):
Germania for 5 A319.

Are Germania and GermanWings the same company?

The A321 order is VERY significant, IMHO. This now puts the 321's range in the 3,000+ category, which means that the likes of US can fly the type to HNL (pax enduring 6h with US to HNL is another thing, but that's for a different thread), while others can fly shorter t/a missions, such as JFK/BOS-SNN.

Finally, Airbus has an aircraft that can take on the 757 across all missions - pity it took so long to do it!


User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9606 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 2):
those are to replace the 757,s....then there will not be any Boeing left within Finnair,right?

We hope that 2013 MCDonnellDouglas MD-11 is still part of AY fleet. They are nowadays also called Boeing MD-11.


User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9533 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 4):
Anyway, congrats to AY and 4U for their orders. In 4U's case, will what do you think which base will strengthened with the additional planes? Or maybe even a new base?
Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
Are Germania and GermanWings the same company?

Uh my bad... Just didn't read the post properly. So, congrats to ST for going Airbus. Do you have any idea why they chose the A319 over further 737-700s? What is the perspectiv for ST's scheduled network? They tend to talk about an expansion, but I cannot see this happen, as AB is in a much stronger position.



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9491 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 2):

those are to replace the 757,s....then there will not be any Boeing left within Finnair,right?

Well Finnair were historicaly never really a Boeing airline anyway, always Douglas....   


User currently onlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8506 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9388 times:
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The A321 order is great news, can't wait so see one of these with the Sharklets.

Could finally be a great 757 replacement for Euro charter carriers, as well as 757's in the States.



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User currently offlineSTEELHEAD From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9368 times:

Finnair is currently flying to Toronto (summer service) with the 757's. Will the new A-321 be able to do that with a full pax load?

User currently offlineCaptainCrackers From New Zealand, joined May 2010, 127 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9368 times:

Edit: Oops, got 4U mixed up with ST.

[Edited 2010-06-10 03:47:10]

User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9292 times:

Quoting CaptainCrackers (Reply 13):
Don't ST already have 30 A319s and only 2 737-700s?

No, they don't. Maybe you did the same mistake as I did and mixed them up with Germanwings (4U)? The two airlines have nothing in common. Germania (ST) currently operates 6 733's and 7 73G's (of which 6 are operated for AB).

edit: ST expects the first delivery in 2011. With the A319's, they seem to replace their old 733's. Again, why not more 73G's? Might they give away their Boeing fleet (to AB) and thus only stay with the five Airbusses?

[Edited 2010-06-10 03:53:42]


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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9159 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
Could finally be a great 757 replacement for Euro charter carriers, as well as 757's in the States.

Might even be of interest to Monarch...

Novair already operates 'long' sectors with their standard? A321's

It certainly looks like it could be the 757 replacement for some
airlines if the 737-900 is not favoured?



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9012 times:

Quoting STEELHEAD (Reply 12):

I think AY is going top operate long haul charters with A330s after the 752-fleet has been phased out. The flying public, even those choosing to fly charter, has become more aware of options available and will not accept a flying sardine can as means of transportation.

I guess the A231s ordered are going to be added to mainline 320s fleet and will fly both, scheduled and charter flights as all the other 320s aircraft. AY is, as far as I know, in process of emerging the two operations to one, as it used to be. For example, already crew uniforms bear no longer differences depending on if it is a charter or a scheduled flight. Also, the cabin interior does not vary anymore.

okAY


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 998 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Quoting Jack (Reply 6):
becoming the world’s first airline to commit to the A321 with Sharklets

Can anyone point to an image of such a sharklet?



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8895 times:

Have a look of a drawing of the aircraft in the following link:

http://svenska.yle.fi/nyheter/artikel.php?id=188603

okAY


User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8538 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 14):
ST expects the first delivery in 2011. With the A319's, they seem to replace their old 733's. Again, why not more 73G's? Might they give away their Boeing fleet (to AB) and thus only stay with the five Airbusses?

ST indeed intends to replace its current all-Boeing fleet with an all-Airbus fleet:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...r-a319-in-fleet-rollover-plan.html

I can't think of any other airline having undergone such a total swap, but surely there are examples? ST's 737-300's have first flight dates in the range of 1988-1991, so they really need to be replaced. As stated before, I quite guess their 737-700's will be handed over to AB.



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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8522 times:

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 19):
I can't think of any other airline having undergone such a total swap,

How about easyjet, 737->A319...?



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8416 times:

Quoting STEELHEAD (Reply 12):
Finnair is currently flying to Toronto (summer service) with the 757's. Will the new A-321 be able to do that with a full pax load?

Seems not possible, the HEL-YYZ 3574nm (6619km) is a lot more than the "over 5,000 km" range Finnair mentioned.


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3982 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8400 times:

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 15):
Novair already operates 'long' sectors with their standard? A321's

The Novair A321a have ACTs fitted to reach the Canaries from ARN.


User currently offlinecv990Coronado From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8332 times:
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"Tristarsteve"

"The Novair A321a have ACTs fitted to reach the Canaries from ARN"

What are ACT's please ?

Thanks
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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8230 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 22):
The Novair A321a have ACTs fitted to reach the Canaries from ARN.

A similar slightly longer from HEL, Thomas Cook A321 to the Canaries. HEL-LPA 2538nm.


25 Post contains links okAY : AY's press release states that the new order for A321ERs will replace orders of two long haul Airbuses. The management says that in case of need for l
26 Andaman : If we just knew how the markets will look in 2013... suitable metal available if needed? Well they must have thought the possible over capacity would
27 acelanzarote : I am guessing it means additional centre (fuel) tank. However if the Novair ones have it, the Thomas Cook A321's which I presume are not fitted? must
28 Post contains links zeke : They are Additional Centre Tanks. On the a320 series they have the form factor of a LD3-45W container with a capacity of around 3000 l per ACT. The A
29 Andaman : They have four B757's left, they propably stay until the A321ER's arrive. The Boeings have been used mainly on leisure flights, it sounds the new Air
30 jetMARC : I heard when we tried to use ACTs on our A320s at jetBlue, they proved pointless... the additional fuel carried ended up being used to compensate for
31 A342 : Hamburg International ( 4R ) immediately came to my mind when I heard about this order. It was like a déjà-vu!
32 zeke : Lot and lots, I think over 30 airlines when I last looked at it. Sounds like you got your wires mixed up a little. It should cost about 3% of every k
33 Post contains links and images flood : Where I can go to find a detailed list of Airbus O/D for 2010? Airbus' website only shows their total order book but I'm looking for this year only wi
34 Post contains links scbriml : Go to their Press page and under the table near the bottom of the page is a link to download the spreadsheet. http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre/
35 Bennett123 : iirc FedEx are looking for B757's. Finnair returned OH-LBT/U built 1998/99 to ILFC recently. Those remaining are OH-LBR/U/X built 1997, (LBX 2002) all
36 Post contains images flood : Thanks, downloaded it again and had overlooked the tabs on the bottom
37 Post contains links and images Andaman : This is how Airbus sees her, unfortunately the ugly nose is still there
38 Post contains images solnabo : AYs livery looks sooo good and now the A321ER w sharklets is awsome.. How much further will A321-ER fly than non-ER? Way to go Finnair! //Mike
39 keesje : Next step is putting better but also heavier engines under it. I wonder how much the A320 wing will have to be modified for it. The wing needed signif
40 Finnaviation : Remaining are OH-LBO, OH-LBT, OH-LBR and OH-LBS. None of them AY owned. OH-LBU, OH-LBV and OH-LBX left AY fleet already. Non of them AY owned.
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