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Do All CO 777's Have The New BizFirst Seats?  
User currently offlineDL747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 334 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5353 times:

Looked around, but could not find a clear answer.

Do all of CO's 777's have the new Business First seats installed? Specifically wondering about the aircraft on EWR-PEK. Thanks in advance to anyone who can confirm.

www.continental.com seems to indicate that only about 50% of the 777 fleet has the new seats.

http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...ght/businessfirst/fleetstatus.aspx

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User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

So you have a 50% chance of getting the new seats , I think CO's website is your best bet to go off of for now unless anyone has any more insight then I do?

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2463 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

Quoting DL747400 (Thread starter):
www.continental.com seems to indicate that only about 50% of the 777 fleet has the new seats.

You've answered your own question.

11 of 20 ships total have flat beds. 19 are currently in service, 1 is in HKG being fitted with beds, and 2 new builds are due this summer, which will have the new seats installed.

CO only dedicates flat beds to EWR/IAH-LHR and return. Anything else is luck of the draw, though your odds are rapidly improving.

By the end of the summer, CO will have 16-17 of 22 777s completed, along with roughly 20 757-200s.


User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

I recently (April/May) flew Newark - Delhi, Mumbai- Newark.

On sectors of that length you'd think CO would be guarantee new flat beds in both directions. Not so. Flat beds on the way to Delhi - 'Old business' on the 15.5 hour return from Mumbai.

Disappointing........ but not nearly as diappointing as flying 777 Business on United with their 'old business' which is pretty abysmal.


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 3):
'Old business' on the 15.5 hour return from Mumbai.

I've done that trip and found the seats quite nice. How do you feel about the lie-flat vs the old seat when sitting? There are very few lie flat seats that are equally comfortable in both modes.


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 3):
I recently (April/May) flew Newark - Delhi, Mumbai- Newark.

On sectors of that length you'd think CO would be guarantee new flat beds in both directions. Not so. Flat beds on the way to Delhi - 'Old business' on the 15.5 hour return from Mumbai.

Despite the old seats how was the food?    


User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5123 times:

I have to say I liked the new lie flat seats in business on Continental very much. The old BusinessFirst seats were pretty good (considering the era in which they were introduced) for non 180 degree recline seats - they had the benefit of at being nice and wide.

The new ones on CO however are much better and of course reflect the developments of the times - I've always like the CO BuisnessFirst service. My disappointment as such was only due to the fact that I thought CO would really try to ensure the new product was guaranteed on a flight of that length - Mumbai-EWR is only 10 minutes shorter than the EWR-Hong Kong flight.

Regarding United on the other hand, in their defence while their old business is indeed dire, their new business class on the 747's is a million times better and actually very similar to CO's new BusinessFirst product.


User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5115 times:

Quoting EwRkId (Reply 5):
Despite the old seats how was the food?

The food was good. CO Business First has always in my experience been a good quality product exceeding that of the other US domestic carriers I've travelled on. The new seats and IFE are the icing on the cake.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2989 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5002 times:
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The CO new lie flats in business first is at par with United's business class seat. The same. My concern is CO has NO first class. If you are a very, very frequent flier there is never a chance to get a first class seat like on United. So when they merge, will CO's average lie flat business class seats be the max on long hauls? In other words if I buy a "United" ticket in first- will I be downgraded to a CO lie-flat?


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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2463 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 8):
The CO new lie flats in business first is at par with United's business class seat.

It's hard to call them on par when UA is 2-4-2 on a 777 while CO is 2-2-2. CO's seat is decidedly wider and longer.

I expect UA's current F product to be retained on most Pacific and select Atlantic routes operated with 747 and some 777 equipment, while the remaining 777s, 787s, 767s, and 757s will retain CO's new BusinessFirst seats and two-class arrangement on less high-yielding routes.


User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 672 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

I got bumped up to Biz/First on an early Sunday morning flight from EWR to IAH on one of the 777s with new seats.

Take it from Somebody who flies a lot, but rarely gets the upgrade - I freaking love these seats. I didn't want the flight to end. Comfortable and private. The TV is big, and the IFE is easy to use. It's great.

I can't wait for the new 787 to be delivered with these seats. I'll cash in some miles so my wife and I can fly all the way to New Zealand in those suckers:




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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2989 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4174 times:
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Quoting CODC10 (Reply 9):

Agreed, a bit better than UA new Biz. But only a bit. However, on 18 hour flights, and if you're 1K or GS you get 6 certs to get into a real First Class: with NOBODY next to you at the windows, in the center you can choose to sit with spouse/business associate with enough privacy to talk and still direct opening to the aisle. On a 747, no kitchen in front, just the special cozy cone. Add CO food and the amount of CO movie choices and you could spend you life in that seat! I think the merger is great for sky warriors. UA's focus on big spenders and CO' more democratic approach to great service. Especially once they add E+!



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

Does CO tend to fly the same ship #s on specific routes? If so, which of them are deployed on EWR-DEL this summer?

The link posted by the OP gives a good idea of which tail #s have the lie-flats, so I'm trying to tie that in with guessing if I'll get a lie-flat on my DEL trip in July.

Thanks!


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4039 times:

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 6):
their new business class on the 747's is a million times better and actually very similar to CO's new BusinessFirst product.

The CO seat is basically the same seat UA uses. Near exact same design, from the same manufacturer.



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User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 10):
I got bumped up to Biz/First on an early Sunday morning flight from EWR to IAH on one of the 777s with new seats.

Good to hear, it's about time CO upgraded these seats and seem to be a force to be reckoned with now   DL watch out UA+CO is coming to Get chaa!!


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20376 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 8):
The CO new lie flats in business first is at par with United's business class seat. The same. My concern is CO has NO first class. If you are a very, very frequent flier there is never a chance to get a first class seat like on United. So when they merge, will CO's average lie flat business class seats be the max on long hauls? In other words if I buy a "United" ticket in first- will I be downgraded to a CO lie-flat?

I am not sure if UA will keep its F class right now. What you said is exactly a bit count against it. It's a "reward" system that doesn't make money. Very few passengers sitting in F seats are directly earning the airline money. Most airlines have eliminated their F-class because the J-class is sufficiently luxurious that F-class is just gratuitous except on the longest-haul, highest-yielding flights. They may keep it on VLH flights, but I bet that the TATL and domestic routes will not have F.


User currently offlineDL747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Well, the verdict is in..... had the old seats (and a ratty interior overall) in one direction and had the new BusinessFirst seats on the return flight. World of difference. Will not roll the dice again with CO though until the whole fleet is reconfigured with the new product. For the price that was paid, the old seat is a rip off. How they can sell the old and new products for the same price, I'll never know.

Thanks to everyone for the above comments. Very helpful.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
but I bet that the TATL and domestic routes will not have F.

Not even into LHR at least? You want to put money on that?  


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