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Delta To Discontinue Fortaleza, Brazil  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7607 times:

Delta will discontinue service to Fortaleza, Brazil, with the last flight leaving Fortaleza on September 6th. It was originally supposed to be a seasonal suspension until November, but last week the flight was removed from OAG and yesterday it was removed from GDS, which confirms the discontinuation.

The flight currently operates twice a week. It was launched as a 4x weekly service in December 2008 tagged onto a triangle route with Recife, which was discontinued last fall.


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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2862 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7433 times:
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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6755 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Delta will discontinue service to Fortaleza, Brazil, with the last flight leaving Fortaleza on September 6th. It was originally supposed to be a seasonal suspension until November, but last week the flight was removed from OAG and yesterday it was removed from GDS, which confirms the discontinuation.

For me it's a surprise given the fact the market is recovering week after week and fares are moving up. FOR was not a bad performer (but was not a fantastic one). I believe DL managed to consider that the return was not so great and that there are some other markets where the 752 could be better used.

No doubt it open the option to AA for asking to take the 3 available weekly frequencies to fly there, but i'm not sure as a single destination considering both REC and SSA share one route.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6613 times:

No matter if not from ATL mega-hub, had the new DL/NW been strong in FLL, a DL B757 FLL-FOR-FLL route could have fairly worked with just O/D traffic.   


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6511 times:
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I don't know what does it means but DL is asking to ANAC to run GRU-LAX 2x weekly eff. July 27


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6487 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
I don't know what does it means but DL is asking to ANAC to run GRU-LAX 2x weekly eff. July 27

Really? So then they basically transferred the route authority over to DTW, but they still wish to operate GRU-LAX? Interesting! So do you have any idea if they want to operate it seasonally? Year round? Just a limited number of flights?

And with regards to FOR, I had no idea that it was supposed to resume. I was always under the impression that it had already been permanently suspended. Thanks for the info!

[Edited 2010-06-10 20:56:04]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6487 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
I don't know what does it means but DL is asking to ANAC to run GRU-LAX 2x weekly eff. July 27

Delta has to operate it in July or it will go into 90 day dormancy and then the frequencies can't be switched to DTW-GRU in November.



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User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6236 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):

For me it's a surprise given the fact the market is recovering week after week and fares are moving up. FOR was not a bad performer (but was not a fantastic one). I believe DL managed to consider that the return was not so great and that there are some other markets where the 752 could be better used.

Unless you are able to show some proof to the contrary, I'm going to have to disagree on this one. To basically abandon (i.e keep dormant) valuable frequencies suggests that it is a bad performer to the point where the future prospects are, at best, glim.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6127 times:
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Does the 73G have the range to fly ATL-FOR without marked penalties?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Delta has to operate it in July or it will go into 90 day dormancy and then the frequencies can't be switched to DTW-GRU in November.

I'm interested to know how empty these LAX-GRU flights are going to be given the duration of the schedule is rather short? I bet you can get a good deal on those flights. It does seem like a complete waste of a 763ER but like Mark mentions, they have to keep it going or they will lose their rights to that slot.


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

When is DL suspending ATL-MAO?  

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5998 times:
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Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 7):
Unless you are able to show some proof to the contrary, I'm going to have to disagree on this one. To basically abandon (i.e keep dormant) valuable frequencies suggests that it is a bad performer to the point where the future prospects are, at best, glim.

I'm not saying it's a bad performer. I said that do not seems to be a bad performer and in other words, sound like a capital allocation issue: the route demands a B752 that could fly to other place and bring more. FOR is not a bad market.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Delta has to operate it in July or it will go into 90 day dormancy and then the frequencies can't be switched to DTW-GRU in November.

Thanks, Mark. That explains the request.


Quoting laca773 (Reply 8):
I'm interested to know how empty these LAX-GRU flights are going to be given the duration of the schedule is rather short?

As you already said, it is the cost to keep the frequencies.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8189 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5864 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
For me it's a surprise given the fact the market is recovering week after week and fares are moving up.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Delta has to operate it in July or it will go into 90 day dormancy and then the frequencies can't be switched to DTW-GRU in November.

It shouldn't be a surprise. Airlines are simply not interested in serving anything other than GRU/GIG. Which is why I commented in a recent thread that a potential "open skies minus GRU/GIG" agreement between the US and Brazil is likely to not change anything. The same goes for Europe. Over the years Brazil has made it clear that they are willing to negotiate and allow additional frequencies to other cities and only 1 airline has made a long term commitment in other Brazilian cities.

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 9):
When is DL suspending ATL-MAO?

    


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5842 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 11):
that a potential "open skies minus GRU/GIG" agreement

As far as my understanding the open skies would keep GRU (nonpeak times) and GIG open. Could you please provide more explanation?

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4545 times:
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Quoting airbazar (Reply 11):
It shouldn't be a surprise. Airlines are simply not interested in serving anything other than GRU/GIG. Which is why I commented in a recent thread that a potential "open skies minus GRU/GIG" agreement between the US and Brazil is likely to not change anything. The same goes for Europe. Over the years Brazil has made it clear that they are willing to negotiate and allow additional frequencies to other cities and only 1 airline has made a long term commitment in other Brazilian cities.



I only see the need to develop at least a regional hub in the Northeast to create a clear potential to attract more services. Could be REC, FOR or the future NAT, in my view the last one shows the best room for improvements and further development.

The point is any service right now rely on the O&D basis, and for mostly markets, there's a huge seasonality



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8189 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4385 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 12):
As far as my understanding the open skies would keep GRU (nonpeak times) and GIG open. Could you please provide more explanation?

Same thing. The "open skies" agreement only offers something no one wants.
Maybe I'm being too cynical but I'll wait until I see a US-GRU flight arriving at 1pm to change my opinion  


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