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Stretching The Legs Of The 737 - SY (MSP-STN-MSP)  
User currently offlineosloflyer From Norway, joined Apr 2007, 16 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9474 times:

Long flight for a 737...

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...al-transatlantic-service-with.html

Middle seat anyone?

Osloflyer.

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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9245 times:

Yikes!

But I suppose, if the price is right, people will book it.


User currently offlinejlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9096 times:
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Some information from when the route was first announced.


http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...sc&search_type=all&search_active=1



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9041 times:

Quoting osloflyer (Thread starter):
Middle seat anyone?

No different than being in the middle seat of a 757 on the same route. It would suck on either plane.


User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8681 times:

How does crew rest work for a flight like that? I assume they don't reposition a flight crew in Gander, and its only once a week. What is the block, and what rules is it operated under? Can one flight crew do the whole thing?


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12887 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8623 times:
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Quoting bohica (Reply 3):
No different than being in the middle seat of a 757 on the same route. It would suck on either plane.

Exactly! There are plenty of transatlantic flights on 757s. I don't know what their legroom is like, but widthways, no different to a 757.   

The longest narrowbody flight I've ever taken was from Heathrow to Astana via Ekaterinburg. That's a LONG flight and I was lucky enough to be in business, I'd have hated that in economy.   



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2058 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8390 times:

Hats off to Sun Country for at lest trying something new. Remember back in the day many airlines used to go to Europe this way. With newer and advanced aircraft like the 747, and 787 you still are on a plane a long time. Besides its an overnight flight, so I bet many folks slept.


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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3686 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8329 times:

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 4):
How does crew rest work for a flight like that? I assume they don't reposition a flight crew in Gander, and its only once a week. What is the block, and what rules is it operated under? Can one flight crew do the whole thing?

The plane will be parked for 2 days at STN and then fly home with same crew.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3686 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8322 times:

I wonder if a A319LR or B737-700ER would have the legs to do this nonstop?


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User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1344 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8209 times:

Has anyone managed to get any pics of this a/c at STN? And does anyone know how loads were on this first flight, and what bookings are doing for the rest of summer?

User currently offlineA318 From Bahamas, joined Jan 2008, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7009 times:

I wonder what the meal service is like. Don't they charge for meals domestically?


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6527 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 8):
I wonder if a A319LR or B737-700ER would have the legs to do this nonstop?

The 737-700ER would have no problem, but it would not be very efficient since it is a heavy plane with few seats. A 737-800 with a fuel stop would be a better idea.



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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6527 times:

The Gander to STN leg doesnt look that terribly long. FL does BWI-SEA-BWI and that can be 6hours each way depending on the winds, normally blocked 5:30 or so. Thats in a 737-700. I think the meals would be free though on a beast of a flight like this? I wonder why they didnt aquire 737-700er's for this endevour. That plane certainly has the legs for this non stop.


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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6318 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):

The plane will be parked for 2 days at STN and then fly home with same crew.

I was really wondering about the 1 way flight, e.g. can one flight crew operate MSP-Gander-STN? I would assume so, (or the operation wouldn't make sense) but what is the total block, and if it is over 8 hours, how is this legal?



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 13):
and if it is over 8 hours, how is this legal?

I have seen posted before,

0-8 hrs = 2 pilots
8-12 hrs = 3 pilots
over 12 hrs = 4 pilots



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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5527 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 14):

Right, for a single flight. I didn't think you could use a relief pilot to extend the flight times on a multi-segment flight. Also might be some differences for domestic vs. flag operations or something, I was just curious if anyone had some actual information since this goes beyond what I normally do.



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2058 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

The 737-800 is the work horse of the company. they have 2 737-700's but i think the -800 is best. SY flies MSP- San Juan P.R. in the winter season. 2 summers in a row, IIRC 06/07, they sent a 737-800 and crew to fly over in Europe for about 6 weeks for HV. Some people asked why they did this? This is why. To gain the know how on this. Besides SY has flown to Europe before back when they had DC-10-15's. Remember SY has been around since 1983.


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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4568 times:
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Quoting bohica (Reply 3):
No different than being in the middle seat of a 757 on the same route. It would suck on either plane.

Or a middle seat on a 767, 777, 747, A330 etc etc etc....a middle seat is a middle seat



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1607 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 17):
Or a middle seat on a 767, 777, 747, A330 etc etc etc....a middle seat is a middle seat

But a middle seat in the middle section of a 2-5-2 cabin is the worst. I'd rather have the middle on a narrowbody for any flight length than to get stuck with 2 people on either side, no matter how well I know them.



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