CO777-200ER From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 331 posts, RR: 1 Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1339 times:
Hello I know UA had got rid of there ORD-HNL flight because they retired the DC-10 but why dont they just use a 767 on the flight instead of not having a flight. Im sure that flight was sold out just about all the time.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1305 times:
Another issue is that flights to Hawaii are frequently very low yeild, so many pax on those flights are using mileage awards (in all classes of service) that it becomes a very expensive proposition for the airline.
This is why airlines fequently use fully depreciated older aircraft on Hawaiian routes.
I think that ORD-HNL nonstop will reappear in UA's schedule in the future, in a couple years, as UA takes delivery of more 777 aircraft and more wide-body aircraft become available in general. Also remember that UA retired its 741, 742, and DC10 fleets in very quick fashion, maybe this is also part of the reason that the ORD-HNL nonstop is not operating at this time.
FTraveler From United States of America, joined May 2001, 72 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1286 times:
Service between HNL-ORD is definitely low yield. It is essentially a frequent flyer award route.
As to the pilot rest issue, this was the main reason given by DL for cancelling its HNL-ATL and DFW flights, although this has apparently been resolved as they are gearing up for resumption of these routes in the fall.
As far as old aircraft being used between the mainland and Hawaii, DL has retired its L10s from service between HNL-LAX and SFO and replaced them with brand new 764s which are much more fuel efficient.