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AA Begins Miami-Tulsa; Miami-Vail Summer Svc.  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

American AIrlines earlier today launched non-stop service between Miami and Tulsa, Oklahoma, definitely one of the odder routes in AA's network.

The service will operate with a 737-800 every Saturday and Sunday, and is a way for AA to move 737-800s between Miami and its Tulsa maintenance base and get some revenue while doing it. I'll hopefully be updating this thread later this week with some pictures from the inaugural flight - the first non-stop service between Oklahoma and South Florida.

American Airlines has also launched, for the first time, summer service between Miami and Eagle County, Colorado, which will operate on Saturdays through the end of August. Flights to Vail will be non-stop, but return service will require a fuel stop in Denver due to Vail's runway length, elevation and warm climate. Miami is one of only three cities - joining Dallas and Denver - with summer service to Eagle County. During ski season AA operates Friday-through-Monday service between Miami and Vail, non-stop in both directions.

[Edited 2010-06-13 02:19:02]


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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

I was wondering when AA was going to do TUL or OKC to MIA. OKC would make more sense, but again, this is a positioning flight trying to gain some revenue. Much like the daily 757 TUL-DFW flight.

OH well.

UAL


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
I was wondering when AA was going to do TUL or OKC to MIA. OKC would make more sense, but again, this is a positioning flight trying to gain some revenue. Much like the daily 757 TUL-DFW flight.

It is a good way to experiment. There are a lot of smaller cities in the AA network that could most likely support Saturday/Sunday service to Miami, just based on cruise ship traffic. Based on the results of Miami-Tulsa, I would definitely hope AA would look at adding other smaller, mid-haul markets if the Tulsa service is successful.

So far, so good for MIA-TUL. This weekends' flights were all oversold in coach, and its not even tourist season.

[Edited 2010-06-13 02:12:35]


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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Why would someone want to go to Vail in the Summer? MIA too for that matter?


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 3):
Why would someone want to go to Vail in the Summer? MIA too for that matter?

I have property up north of MIA.....works for me to go..... 



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4506 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 3):
Why would someone want to go to Vail in the Summer?

The Rocky Mountain region is incredibly popular during the Summer for outdoor enthusiasts....hiking, camping, rafting, etc...plenty of things to do in the mountains when no snow is around.


User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4387 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 3):
Why would someone want to go to Vail in the Summer? MIA too for that matter?

Seriously??? As an extremely frequent avid skier, I still much prefer Vail in the summer than winter...just so much to do and it never gets old. I love it!!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 3):
Why would someone want to go to Vail in the Summer?

Why not? Its beautiful during the summer.

A lot of wealthy South Floridians own second homes in Eagle County and migrate there for the summer.



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User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1428 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

Well I'd hate to fly a flight knowing its on its way to maintenance


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 8):
Well I'd hate to fly a flight knowing its on its way to maintenance

Yes, stupid of American Airlines to regularly send 738s to Tulsa for routine check-ups. Why do routine check-ups on airplanes in the first place?



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User currently offlineTUSAA From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
So far, so good for MIA-TUL. This weekends' flights were all oversold in coach, and its not even tourist season.

Im not sure where you get your info, but none of the TUL/MIA or MIA/TUL flights were/are oversold this weekend. Plenty of nonrevs made the flights and #537 MIA-TUL tonight is still showing 17 open seats, hardly oversold by any means.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Quoting TUSAA (Reply 10):
Im not sure where you get your info, but none of the TUL/MIA or MIA/TUL flights were/are oversold this weekend.

I was looking at GDS which showed 0's in all the coach fare classes when I looked yesterday.

And even so, 17 open seats, pretty good for such a low-demand market on a mainline jet.

[Edited 2010-06-13 13:36:07]


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User currently offlineTUSAA From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
And even so, 17 open seats, pretty good for such a low-demand market on a mainline jet.

These TUL-MIA flights will mostly be filled with AA employees who purchased fullfare tickets with a 20% employee discount. Many TUL employees who booked cruise's and resort packages don't want to chance nonreving and miss their ship or loose their hotel reservations cause they cant get on a flight with hundreds of other nonrevs trying to get out of TUL.


User currently offlinemalexander131 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Yes, stupid of American Airlines to regularly send 738s to Tulsa for routine check-ups. Why do routine check-ups on airplanes in the first place?

To catch problems before they cause bigger problems? Like crashes?



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2808 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

Quoting malexander131 (Reply 13):
To catch problems before they cause bigger problems? Like crashes?

Pretty sure that was sarcasm in post 9.



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

It's amazing how some people can take an informative postings that may be of interest to others and then post ridiculous dumb points just to please their personal opinion. Sometimes keep your 2 cents to yourself a.neters!


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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Very very good of AA to plug TUL into the MIA hub. TUL can certainly use more service to a few other cities.   And mainline to, awesome!!!


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User currently offlineOwleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 961 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

A nice image to spice this topic:



User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2008 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
It is a good way to experiment. There are a lot of smaller cities in the AA network that could most likely support Saturday/Sunday service to Miami, just based on cruise ship traffic. Based on the results of Miami-Tulsa, I would definitely hope AA would look at adding other smaller, mid-haul markets if the Tulsa service is successful.

Which other mid sized cities do you think could work with a Saturday/Sunday 738? Are you thinking like midwest/great lakes and eastern or more in the mid parts of the country? Thanks...


User currently offlinestock1985 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Flight 537 (MIA-TUL) was completely full last night. Coming back from a week in Barbados, it was certainly nice to have a simple 'hop' home considering the 2.5 hr. flight to Tulsa, even though we departed 2+ hours late waiting for inbound aircraft from Tampa.

Should have seen the faces of those walking by the gate in Miami looking at the board, 737-800 to Tulsa, is that a joke? But, my bet is the route will work, especially if the yield can maintain. Gate agent said that 12 were confirmed in First, and I did note that some non-revs did not make the flight. Passenger mix looked heavily cruise oriented passengers, wonder if the cruise line contracts are for both FLL & MIA.

MAH4546, any guidance on the mix of O/D versus connecting passengers? The connection times on the way down are a bit difficult to connect to Caribbean or South America without a 4+ hour connection. Still simpler than a double hop...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting stock1985 (Reply 19):
Passenger mix looked heavily cruise oriented passengers, wonder if the cruise line contracts are for both FLL & MIA.

There are cruise contracts for both, and cruises out of Port Everglades send passengers via Miami; and Port of Miami cruises send passengers via FLL. No real rhyme or reason to it.

Quoting stock1985 (Reply 19):

MAH4546, any guidance on the mix of O/D versus connecting passengers? The connection times on the way down are a bit difficult to connect to Caribbean or South America without a 4+ hour connection. Still simpler than a double hop...

I'm willing to bet its mostly O&D on cruises and some Caribbean connections.

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 18):
Which other mid sized cities do you think could work with a Saturday/Sunday 738?

Possibly Albuquerque, Des Moines, Oklahoma City and Omaha. But what it will really come down is AA's ability to take a large chunk of the market - which it can easily do in Tulsa and might be able to do in Oklahoma City, but that will be tougher in Des Moines and Omaha, where is it not as strong.

Austin, Kansas City, Milwaukee, San Antonio and San Diego could support weekend 738s too, but those markets could handle a daily flight just as well.

Do I expect MIA-OMA/DSM? Absolutely not; but OKC would not shock me if Tulsa does really well.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2176 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 18):
Which other mid sized cities do you think could work with a Saturday/Sunday 738?

Possibly Albuquerque, Des Moines, Oklahoma City and Omaha. But what it will really come down is AA's ability to take a large chunk of the market - which it can easily do in Tulsa and might be able to do in Oklahoma City, but that will be tougher in Des Moines and Omaha, where is it not as strong.

What about MIA-YOW seasonally?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 21):

What about MIA-YOW seasonally?

The market is there for MIA-YOW. I was thinking more Midwest/West routes. Plenty of areas for AA to expand in the Northeast.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

I know TUL is a decent-sized city/market but..... MIA-TUL????


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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
American AIrlines earlier today launched non-stop service between Miami and Tulsa, Oklahoma, definitely one of the odder routes in AA's network.

The service will operate with a 737-800 every Saturday and Sunday, and is a way for AA to move 737-800s between Miami and its Tulsa maintenance base and get some revenue while doing it. I'll hopefully be updating this thread later this week with some pictures from the inaugural flight - the first non-stop service between Oklahoma and South Florida.

This is the kind of out of the box thinking that AA needs to do in order to be successful. AA is very strong in Tulsa and South Florida, so it makes sense to link these two spots together given that the demand is clearly there.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
American Airlines has also launched, for the first time, summer service between Miami and Eagle County, Colorado, which will operate on Saturdays through the end of August.

This one is much more surprising than MIA-TUL, but again, this is a premium-heavy segment that can be profitable even with low loads. My parents split their time between Florida and Vail and know many folks that do the same. Again, the market for this flight is there, however small it may be.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Flights to Vail will be non-stop, but return service will require a fuel stop in Denver due to Vail's runway length, elevation and warm climate.

EGE just lengthened their runway by 1,000 feet. I'm surprised that the flights still have to make a stop. Perhaps they should have lengthened it even further.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Miami is one of only three cities - joining Dallas and Denver - with summer service to Eagle County.

I'm surprised that ORD service hasn't come back. I would have certainly thought AA would have started it if UA didn't resume it.



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25 MAH4546 : South Florida is actually the second largest O&D market from EGE after New York City. American Airlines is the largest private employer in Miami
26 Jetmatt777 : AA has a decent size flyer base in both TUL (for obvious reasons) and OKC. I could see this possibly being added to OKC if TUL does well and they have
27 MAH4546 : Its as close as one can get for a pair of cities. Their route networks are virtual mirror images when you take away Frontier Airlines. OKC has WN to
28 stock1985 : Heard that last night that the Tulsa flight is seasonal, any truth to that as it is strange time to start a seasonal flight off season? Are there any
29 tfmd80 : Don't forget, TUL is also supported by the two county Northwest Arkansas Metro Area which contains nearly 500,000 people. It is only a 1.25 hour drive
30 okie : Even if OKC is not in the cards, many drive the OKC to DFW leg of a trip, TUL would be less than half the windshield time. Its almost cheaper to fly
31 MAH4546 : It is year-round, but during September and October it will only operate once a week (Saturday to Miami; Sundays to Tulsa).
32 Jetmatt777 : Look at the frequencies also, I said which routes do better, not which routes have service. TUL is stronger than OKC on certain markets and OKC is st
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