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Early AA 707s At LAX  
User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1074 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

Great color footage of the original short-fin JT-3C powered 707-123 at LAX, and a few other neat ones. Probably around 1960 or so. Russ Farris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EW26U_Asb4&feature=related


[Edited 2010-06-13 21:30:09]

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User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

Fabulous video! Thanks for sharing!


"The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee." -- Gunter's 2nd Law of Air
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5265 times:

Those low bay hangars featured in the video will get demolished later this year as part of the LAX masterplan projects.
From what I gather AA is working on a means to salvage their old logo which adorns one of them.



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User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Those low bay hangars featured in the video will get demolished later this year as part of the LAX masterplan projects.

Sure would be nice to see someone with ramp access document the last vestiges of the old LAX before she's fully renovated (which is much needed, I confess).



"The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee." -- Gunter's 2nd Law of Air
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
From what I gather AA is working on a means to salvage their old logo which adorns one of them.

I absolutely love that sign. It really should be saved.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

Thanks for sharing that video, I get misty eyed whenever something like this reminds me of the better days of air travel.


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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

That was back in the days when American Airlines revolutionized air travel by introducing the 707 on the LAX-IDL route. The leap from the noisy DC-7 taking 7-8 hours eastbound from LAX to IDL (as JFK was known before 1963) to taking 4.5 to 5 hours eastbound on the much quieter 707 must have been nothing short of awesome.

User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Maybe 20 years ago I bought a paperback simply titled "Boeing 707" by Martin Caidin, copyright 1959 Ballantine Books, at a book fair near Central Park in NYC. It describes American Airlines Flight 2 from LAX to IDL on October 25, 1958. Coast-to-coast 4 h 43 m. The cockpit crew were Capt. Ted Melden, FO David Edgerton and FE Norman S. Rice. The description of takeoff, cruise and landing were thrilling to read, especially accounts of passengers awed by the flexing of the wings and the relative silence compared to contemporary piston-powered aircraft. Also included are insights into AA's decision to acquire the 707. If you can find this book, I heartily recommend you buy it! Early jet-age flight at its best!!

User currently offlinecv990Coronado From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4295 times:
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User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1074 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 7):
Maybe 20 years ago I bought a paperback simply titled "Boeing 707" by Martin Caidin, copyright 1959 Ballantine Books, at a book fair near Central Park in NYC. It describes American Airlines Flight 2 from LAX to IDL on October 25, 1958. Coast-to-coast 4 h 43 m. The cockpit crew were Capt. Ted Melden, FO David Edgerton and FE Norman S. Rice. The description of takeoff, cruise and landing were thrilling to read, especially accounts of passengers awed by the flexing of the wings and the relative silence compared to contemporary piston-powered aircraft. Also included are insights into AA's decision to acquire the 707. If you can find this book, I heartily recommend you buy it! Early jet-age flight at its best!!

And here it is, I'm ordering a copy! Russ Farris

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...=UTF8&redirect=true&condition=used

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/c/martin-caidin/boeing-707.htm

[Edited 2010-06-15 20:15:58]

User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1074 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

Since you guys appreciate the first one, I think you'll love this....Russ Farris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph1FXcIqnNg&feature=related

[Edited 2010-06-15 20:33:42]

User currently offlinePacificClipper From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Amazing. Thanks for sharing. I get misty eyed too when I see early jet age footage, especially at LAX.

OT, does anyone know if AA will replace their hangar space at LAX? My guess is probably not and that work will shift elsewhere (i.e. TUL). Also, LAWA had taken over the old TW hangars from AA, right? Sad to see that soon none of the majors will have maint. ops at LAX. More historical vestiges of the once prevalent aviation industry in Southern California evaporating.  



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User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting PacificClipper (Reply 11):
OT, does anyone know if AA will replace their hangar space at LAX? My guess is probably not and that work will shift elsewhere (i.e. TUL). Also, LAWA had taken over the old TW hangars from AA, right? Sad to see that soon none of the majors will have maint. ops at LAX. More historical vestiges of the once prevalent aviation industry in Southern California evaporating.

AA's high bay will still be there. That is a hangar capable of handling I think up to 4 777-200ERs at a time.

The old TW hangar is currently used by Qantas, and there are no immediate plans to remove it.

(the above two hangars will be removed if they decide to build the midfield concourse, which will be in the distant future if they do it.)

CO, FX, DL, and UA also have maintenance at LAX.


User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1992 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 9):
Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 7):
Maybe 20 years ago I bought a paperback simply titled "Boeing 707" by Martin Caidin, copyright 1959 Ballantine Books, at a book fair near Central Park in NYC. It describes American Airlines Flight 2 from LAX to IDL on October 25, 1958. Coast-to-coast 4 h 43 m. The cockpit crew were Capt. Ted Melden, FO David Edgerton and FE Norman S. Rice. The description of takeoff, cruise and landing were thrilling to read, especially accounts of passengers awed by the flexing of the wings and the relative silence compared to contemporary piston-powered aircraft. Also included are insights into AA's decision to acquire the 707. If you can find this book, I heartily recommend you buy it! Early jet-age flight at its best!!

And here it is, I'm ordering a copy! Russ Farris

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...=UTF8&redirect=true&condition=used

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/c/martin-caidin/boeing-707.htm

American Airlines did not introduce the 707 until January 25, 1959. The first service was between IDL and LAX.

Pam Am began 707 service on October 26, 1958, with the first 707 scheduled passenger carrying flight that operated from IDL to LeBourget Airport in Paris.

During December of 1958, Pan Am leased 707's to National Airlines and National therefore operated the first domestic 707 service between IDL and MIA, beginning service on December 10, 1958. According to several articles, these flights were operated by National crews. The lease deal was part of an abortive attempt to merge National and Pan Am, by George Baker and Juan Trippe, something that eventually took place 22 years later after deregulation.

Both American and Pan Am operated training flights prior to the above dates but no paying passengers were carried.


User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

YouTube is very good for old airplane videos or airline advertisment videos. Eastern, Pan AM,TWA, Ozark and UA are only a few 'movies' from the 50's and 60's you will find there.
safe



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Here is an image from the LA Times I posted earlier that shows the current taxiway work that will require demolition of the AA low bay hangars seen in the video.

http://www.latimes.com/media/graphic/2010-05/53933539.jpg

The former TWA hangar will either have to be taken down, or shaved. Dont think LAWA has decided what to do for the taxiway portion of the work yet as it eventually must be completely taken down for the Midfield concourse.



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User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 7):
Maybe 20 years ago I bought a paperback simply titled "Boeing 707" by Martin Caidin, copyright 1959 Ballantine Books, at a book fair near Central Park in NYC. It describes American Airlines Flight 2 from LAX to IDL on October 25, 1958. Coast-to-coast 4 h 43 m. The cockpit crew were Capt. Ted Melden, FO David Edgerton and FE Norman S. Rice. The description of takeoff, cruise and landing were thrilling to read, especially accounts of passengers awed by the flexing of the wings and the relative silence compared to contemporary piston-powered aircraft. Also included are insights into AA's decision to acquire the 707. If you can find this book, I heartily recommend you buy it! Early jet-age flight at its best!!

Interesting rare book.. some research has shown it's a pretty difficult snag. There's approximately 30 copies in libraries around the world, so hopefully it'll find its way in to Google books or something similar. There's a bunch on Amazon, so I've snagged a copy there as well and will be enjoying this read!

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 10):
Since you guys appreciate the first one, I think you'll love this....Russ Farris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph1FX...lated

Gosh, I still remember the first time I saw this flute-backgrounded movie. Terrific series!



"The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee." -- Gunter's 2nd Law of Air
User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Quoting milesrich (Reply 13):
American Airlines did not introduce the 707 until January 25, 1959. The first service was between IDL and LAX.

Maybe you're right about the dates, but I'm going by what's in the book. In the photo section which divides the book roughly in half there are 2 pictures of AA 707s with the captions "Take-off! " for the top photo and "And 4 hours, 43 minutes later, on October 25th, 1958, the swift 707 Flagship taxis into Idlewild".


User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6796 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

Who knows whether AA flew 707s in 10/58-- he's just saying they didn't carry paying passengers until 1/59. Maybe the Caidin book was written before the first scheduled flight? In any case, every other book you ever see will agree that scheduled AA 707s started in 1/59.

User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

TWA did training flights around KC in early 1959. I remember seeing the 707's in the sky weekly when I was a early teen.
They flew them out of Mid Continent(MCI) years before the terminals were built.

The one stand out memory of that time frame was that Richard-Gebeur AFB south of KC,had an open house in May '59,and TWA had two 707's do a low level flyby in formation over the base and a few thousand people. Now that was a sight to see!!

safe



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User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1074 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

My guess this was a proving run. The time frame is about right, and the FAA would have required more proving runs from a radical departure from the piston-engine types.

User currently offlinePacificClipper From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 12):
AA's high bay will still be there. That is a hangar capable of handling I think up to 4 777-200ERs at a time.

The old TW hangar is currently used by Qantas, and there are no immediate plans to remove it.

(the above two hangars will be removed if they decide to build the midfield concourse, which will be in the distant future if they do it.)

CO, FX, DL, and UA also have maintenance at LAX.

I thought that the mid-field terminal was already approved and assumed these would be going soon. I hope they stay.

I know FX still has maint going on there but I thought that DL had it's hangar space returned to LAWA (part of their BK and non-payment issues). I also thought that the CO space had long since not been used for a/c maintenance and more recently, neither was UA's. I'll have to do more careful spotting on my next trip south.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

Delta did indeed return the former Western hangars to LAWA, and cart off much of their equipment to SLC. It now releases the facility on a per flight/per day basis as anyone is able to do from LAWA.
CO also many moons ago terminated its LAX hangar master lease when it reduced inhouse maintenance greatly. Today CO releases a portion of the facility back(mostly low bays) and does some light 737NG checks at LAX, with other portions of the hangars used by Raytheon which bases its testbed 727 and DC-10 there.
For United, it very much still makes use of its LAX maintenance facilities.



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User currently offlinePacificClipper From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
CO also many moons ago terminated its LAX hangar master lease when it reduced inhouse maintenance greatly. Today CO releases a portion of the facility back(mostly low bays) and does some light 737NG checks at LAX, with other portions of the hangars used by Raytheon which bases its testbed 727 and DC-10 there.

Interesting.

After EA shut down in 91, one of my dad's co-workers got in/transferred to CO but the only opening was at the LAX maint ctr. I remember him working four 10s, renting a crash pad near LAX and commuting home to MIA on his days off. Did that for a year or two and eventually left CO.



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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1992 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

The old Western and Continental maintenance hangers were east of the United Terminal on the south side of Century Blvd, near the entrance to the airport, as I remember.

25 sparky35805 : N7501A was delivered to AA in October 1958.Not sure of what day.Two more were delivered in December.It seams that AA and EA were hit by a strike in la
26 Viscount724 : With a fuel stop at Gander. Boeing's orders/deliveries data shows only 2 AA 707s delivered in 1958 -- the first October 23, 1958, the second December
27 sparky35805 : I was looking at a production list when I did that message and still got it wrong.N7503A was the only aircraft delivered in December 1958. Sparky
28 WesternDC1010 : Western maintenance low bay and widebody hangars were indeed on the south side of Century Blvd., east of Sepulveda Blvd. and United's Terminal 7/8. B
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