RAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3274 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3): Note that OPO-BCN will have a starting frequency of 14x/week.
Great notices for BCN! After the abandon of the route from Clickair last year, the merge of Clickair / Vueling and plans to restart the flights and the small planes used by TAP on the route (ER4) we will have another player with bigger aircrafts in this very demanded route.
El dia que los gilipollas vuelen, no podremos ver la luz del sol!
joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3196 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3): I have not yet looked at the exact schedule for these 7 new routes, but FR presently has 3 aircraft in OPO. So, I'm guessing it'll have around 5.
The schedules are clearly not finalized yet, but it seems like they'll base aircraft, as they sell 5 morning departures. On Mondays in November, the following departures are scheduled for the start-up of the day:
BCN is loaded (OPO-based), BLQ is loaded but with wrong times (block time BLQ-OPO 18:45-19:15, that's 1:30 which would require an average speed above Mach 1). MST, EBU, FMM, RAK, VLC are not loaded yet, and increased freqs to TUF aren't loaded either.
On the route map, LPL, BHX, BRS and PSA are shown as "summer only", and indeed don't operate during the winter. Looking at what's loaded now, it seems like DUB, NYO and CCF are summer-only too.
It looks like OPO-GRO will continue to run 1x daily, despite the new OPO-BCN route.
joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2765 times:
Quoting gkirk (Reply 6): :D
Taking into account time difference?
Schedules, for Wed 17 Nov:
OPO is in GMT, BLQ in GMT+1. So that makes block times of 1:30 each way. By just looking at the time when it leaves OPO and when it returns. (15:50 - 19:15). So that's 3:25 to complete the round-trip, including turnaround.
OPO-BLQ is (great circle) 1667 km, so it would require an average speed of Mach 1.04 to fly it, along the great circle
For OPO-BCN, considerably shorter than OPO-BLQ, they schedule:
joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2729 times:
Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 7): When do you think we might see FR operate into LIS? Surely that time is approaching?
It all depends on if LIS wants FR. FR usually picks airports that are willing to provide a very good deal to them: low landing fees, handling charges; contribution in advertisement, etc, etc.
Most of the times, these are airports that have much spare capacity, which needs to be filled. FR is able to generate significant pax flows, but requires low fees in exchange. When an airport is half-empty, they often turn out to be willing to sign such a deal. U2 follows a similar strategy, but is typically willing to pay slightly more to the airport operator.
Looking at the recent FR and U2 bases, these are all airports that had quite some spare capacity:
BCN (FR, 2010): following the opening of the new terminal, the old terminal was hardly used. FR was found willing to start a base.
KUN (FR, 2010): the airport was practically abandoned without FR.
AGP (FR, 2010): like BCN, the opening of the new terminal (next week) caused lots of capacity.
RYG (FR, 2010): new airport, in need of an airline providing traffic
BRI, BDS (FR, 2009): following the demise of MyAir, the airports needed a new carrier.
MXP (U2, 2006): following AZ's hub withdrawl, the airport was in need for extra traffic, that U2 could generate
FCO (U2, 2008): following AZ cuts, there was spare capacity for U2.
Now, I don't know too much on Portugese airports, but AFAIK LIS doesn't have too much spare capacity. In that case, FR is probably welcome to start flights, when paying the regular fees. But maybe when the new airport opens, they might start a base there?