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Will My Car GPS Work In An Aircraft  
User currently offlineDash9 From Canada, joined Nov 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 26326 times:

hello. I'll spend 3 months in France this summer, have rent a car over there and will carry my car GPS to use it over there. I was wondering if it will be capable of pinpointing my location while in flight from YUL to CDG? I obviously don't have 'North Atlantic' street maps but would it prevent it of calculating latitude and longitude? Finally, are GPS devices forbidden in a passenger aircraft? Its not transmitting anything..

thank you,
Dash9

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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 26336 times:

Quoting Dash9 (Thread starter):
I obviously don't have 'North Atlantic' street maps but would it prevent it of calculating latitude and longitude

At the very least it should give you lat/long. But a normal handheld GPS used for hiking would be much better for your purposes. Also, you will not get any signal at all unless you put it right up to the window, and you'll have a poor signal at that.

Quoting Dash9 (Thread starter):
Finally, are GPS devices forbidden in a passenger aircraft? Its not transmitting anything..

Yes. It is a portable electronic device.

[Edited 2010-06-14 13:14:50]

User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 26229 times:

I used a car GPS once on a FRA-MUC-GRU flight.
Holding the device near the window it took only little time to pic up the satelites.
It was cool not only to know the position but also the speed!


User currently onlineUTAH744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 26201 times:

I pulled out my Garmin street map gps in our Astra and it showed us going 510mph over Oklahoma City. Worked just like the other two gps in our Universal UN-1c FMSs, except they read knots.


You are never too old to learn something stupid
User currently offlinef.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1523 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 26161 times:

I noticed my Tomtom on 738s works only if I sit in a row BEHIND the wings.

User currently offlineixemctdca From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 26041 times:

This is the result from one of "my friend's" phone  

Created by My Tracks on Android.

Total Distance: 827.05 km (513.9 mi)
Total Time: 1:18:31
Moving Time: 1:09:39
Average Speed: 698.87 km/h (434.3 mi/h)
Average Moving Speed: 712.46 km/h (442.7 mi/h)
Max Speed: 754.20 km/h (468.6 mi/h)
Min Elevation: 6775 m (22228 ft)
Max Elevation: 12104 m (39711 ft)
Elevation Gain: 12151 m (39865 ft)
Max Grade: 24 %
Min Grade: -1 %

[Edited 2010-06-14 13:39:09]


-ixemctdca
User currently offlinecobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 25948 times:

Imagine at 400 knots over Paris. Turn left, right in 200 meters, recalculating, overload

User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 25629 times:

I held up my Garmin to the window on a ATL-FLL flight I took last month - it took a few minutes to "acquire satellites" but then it worked fine. I have a picture of it showing my altitude (39,336 feet) and speed (514mph)! And the streets wizzed by pretty quickly too, but because we were not on a road, the background was mostly empty.


None shall pass!!!!
User currently offline744lover From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 25506 times:

Hi,


Depending on the airline, yes it's allowed. AF and AV come to mind.


I even made a video of my tomtom device:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpgiG9BKR0c


Best regards!
744lover


User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 25341 times:
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PHOTO SCREENER

Yes. Check my speed  

852mph (ground speed) http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalscottking/3311796736/


User currently offlineArcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 25070 times:
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The best way to know where you are is an aviation GPS.
Garmin makes a lot of models.
I've been looking at a Garmin 396 (I believe that's the number) for around $350.
It will work if you hold it against the window. The neat thing is they show the nearby
airports etc. I have been using an Airmap 500 for several years. They aren't made anymore
and it is slow to pick up the satellites. The newer ones like the 396 are much better, I'm sure.
They don't usually come with both domestic and international chips (data bases) so if you're
going to Europe have both. I paid $50 for an int'l chip several years ago.
Sportys.com sells them or look up aviation GPS on the net.
I love to use it and have never been told not to use it.
I put it away when they say the thing about electronic devices.


User currently offlinetoxicmegacolon From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 25039 times:

I've never been able to get a GPS signal (not even lat or long) outside of Europe of N America with my iPhone. Never in a plane. I guess its more b/c the GPS chip is terrible.

User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 24712 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 1):
Quoting Dash9 (Thread starter):
Finally, are GPS devices forbidden in a passenger aircraft? Its not transmitting anything..

Yes. It is a portable electronic device.

Uh iPods and handheld video game consoles are "portable electronic devices" but you can use them on a plane. Just not during taxiing, landing and takeoff...



"Drunks run stop signs. Stoners wait for them to turn green."
User currently offlinerichm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 798 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 24717 times:

I tried it with my Tomtom when I went to Majorca last summer. Only downside though is that it decided to shout out "TURN AROUND WHEN POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!". I had the volume set to maximum and I forgot to turn it down. I was surrounded by strangers and felt like a complete numpty.

Has anyone actually encountered any problems with cabin crew while using a GPS on board an aircraft?

[Edited 2010-06-14 16:59:50]

User currently offlineDaninafryingpan From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Mar 2010, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 24686 times:

I don't see why GPS devices should be banned on aircraft. I know that on any flights i've had they don't mention GPS's but just the usual electronic devices announcement. The fact that the aircraft also uses a GPS would suggest to me that a passenger using his/her own Garmin or TomTom for example wouldn't cause any problems.
My friend used hers on a flight once and got the same high speed readings.


User currently offlinedw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 24686 times:

Quoting Archer (Reply 10):
I've been looking at a Garmin 396 (I believe that's the number) for around $350.

Who is selling 396s for $350? I really do want to know--normally there is an additional digit in the price tag... Need to upgrade my Lowrance 2000C to something that has WX!

With regard to the topic, auto GPS will work fine assuming you can get sufficient GPS reception. Normally that means holding it fairly close to a window, though your mileage may vary.

[Edited 2010-06-14 16:47:49]

[Edited 2010-06-14 16:48:43]


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User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 23841 times:

Ours worked, but I had to hold it as close as possible to the window and even then, it struggled to find enough satellites.


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User currently onlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1509 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 23696 times:

Quoting dw747400 (Reply 15):
Who is selling 396s for $350? I really do want to know--normally there is an additional digit in the price tag... Need to upgrade my Lowrance 2000C to something that has W

Entirely possible, for an older unit, with the new model line out now (the Aera line). Sometimes they aren't bad priced, but maybe not that low on places like ebay.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 23632 times:

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 12):

Uh iPods and handheld video game consoles are "portable electronic devices" but you can use them on a plane. Just not during taxiing, landing and takeoff...

Forgot to add that caveat.

Quoting Daninafryingpan (Reply 14):
The fact that the aircraft also uses a GPS would suggest to me that a passenger using his/her own Garmin or TomTom for example wouldn't cause any problems.

Except the one in the plane is CERTIFIED for use in the plane, therefore guaranteeing there will be no risk of interference. There's no guarantee any random electronic device will not make interference regardless if it is designed to transmit or not.

[Edited 2010-06-14 18:07:20]

User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 23435 times:

With our company policies at RAH GPS devices are not permitted at all onboard, as they receive signals. It falls under the same context as a radio or television.


I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineCOS777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 22546 times:

Quoting richm (Reply 13):
Has anyone actually encountered any problems with cabin crew while using a GPS on board an aircraft?

It's been hit and miss for me. I've had a flight attendant tell me to turn it off on a couple of occasions. I think most of the time it doesn't occur to them what it really is. Back when GPS was still pretty new, a flight attendant was actually really impressed with it and wanted to see where we where. Most of the time I use an old Garmin GPSMAP 12 and it works as long as I am next to a window. I think many of the newer GPS units have a much more sensitive antenna, so you may not have to be next to a window I'm guessing.

I found this website listing airline GPS policies. I don't know if it is accurate or not.
http://gpsinformation.net/airgps/airgps.htm

I can understand why devices that transmit are not allowed on aircraft for obvious reasons. However, the whole idea behind prohibiting devices that only receive doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense. The radio waves from a radio station, TV broadcast, or GPS are going through the airplane regardless of whether or not the unit is on. I doubt a GPS would give off any more electromagnetic interference than an iPod or laptop.

[Edited 2010-06-14 19:36:20]

[Edited 2010-06-14 19:40:30]

User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 22387 times:

I feel you guys on wanting to know the speed. I was hoping to break 700 mph on VH-OJE of Qantas but alas it was not to be, 697 was a fast as we got and I only got a picture of 696 mph.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Fleetwing1627/IMG_4902.jpg


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21776 times:

Quoting COS777 (Reply 20):
However, the whole idea behind prohibiting devices that only receive doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense

It can still interfere regardless. Seen it happen.


User currently offlinegolftango From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 21145 times:

Here is my video clip of my older GPS is an EK 77W

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTYSxtHijLI


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20987 times:

Southwest allows the use of GPS devices and they are listed as approved in the Spirit Magazine. My Nuvi 300 series works great and even has the runways and taxiways on the maps. You just have to zoom out a bit once at cruise so you're viewing just cities, major highways, and geographic features rather than all the streets down below. Getting the initial signal can be a little tricky but it has always worked.

25 QANTAS747-438 : It's fine. Doesn't transmit. Used it on a WN flight. Shows car going over 500mph! But, you have to be on a window seat.
26 flyfree727 : Not allowed on AA AA ORD
27 ThirtyEcho : A GPS is an electronic device unless you have one that is firewood powered. All electronic devices transmit signals even if they are simple receivers.
28 SLCPilot : I commute to work as a pilot for a regional carrier. A few months ago a pax asked us if it was OK to use a GPS in flight. Not being immediately sure,
29 Av8rDAL : Buddy of mine used an external GPS transmitter and recorded speed, altitude, position points to his Blackberry every 10 minutes from ATL-ZRH a couple
30 Fly2HMO : I've experienced it many times, specially with the G1000 avionics, it seems to be very sensitive to it. Regardless if all the glitches I've experienc
31 malaysia : I tried my GPS before, but it got annoying very fast, I had a Garmin, and it always was attempting to lock to the nearest street every time and the sp
32 Post contains images emirates773 : Here is a picture of my tom tom just before TOD into DFW with KLM on an A332 a few years ago:
33 OD-BWH : I use Nokia Ovi GPS. I tried using it onboard many times, but in vain. Once I step onboard, the device keeps showing searching for signal and it never
34 Post contains images BrusselsSouth : I use my phone's GPS in aircraft all the time, but I always try to do it as discreetly as possible. I don't use the standard TomTom Navigator software
35 Post contains images DAL763ER : I used my ASUS A636 PDA on a MA SVO-BUD flight for years ago and it worked perfectly. Minsk streets below us were crossed very rapidly
36 Post contains links Nimish : I've used my phone's GPS (Blackberry 9700) for the following tracks on flights: 1. DEL-BLR: http://www.gpsed.com/track/1683203113592042121 2. SIN-BLR:
37 Post contains images Part147 : I used my Garmiw 250W on a Ryanair flight back from Londow and hit a top speed of 883km/h!!! Signal was fine and my 'neighbour' was intrigued to see t
38 Post contains links and images MYT332 : I was playing around with my phone GPS onboard a B757 earlier this month. I then recorded the track for the last hour of the flight from over Germany
39 SolarFlyer22 : I believe its fine on Virgin America as well. Its only receiving the same signal as the flight deck not interfering with it. I think the only FAA rule
40 Post contains images Numero4 : I just pictured the annoying voice in my mind and that just made my day
41 Post contains images gr8circle : That's hilarious...did you get wrestled to the ground....?
42 irelayer : I second that. It is specifically allowed in WNs literature (look in the in flight magazine). I put mine up to the window but got tired of holding it
43 N92R03 : I have a Garmin GPSmap 60CSx hand held and it works fine on 737 and 757 aircraft, window, center and aisle seats. The key is to make sure you have acq
44 Post contains images r2rho : Not a problem. I carry a GPS datalogger on all my flights lately - looks very cool when you plot the tracks afterwards Just be sure to get a window se
45 Post contains images airtechy : I used one of the early Garmin's in the business class cabin on a flight from PDX to NRT on Delta in the early 90's. It took forever to lock, but then
46 Post contains links apjung : Oh yes, it'll work. You just need to be sitting at a window seat (preferably facing south) to get the satellite signals. I have pics of the TomTom rec
47 txjim : Pretty far from correct. Most electronics are considered "unintentional radiators" by the fcc and emit certain amounts of energy but it's pretty far
48 Post contains images borism : I've bought my first handheld GPS unit (back in the days when not every phone had it built-in) exactly for plotting my flights as a passenger. It was
49 standby87 : I took my Garmin Nuvi by chance Basel BSL to Amsterdam AMS on Swiss. I checked with the crew of the BAe 146 before take-off if I could use it. "Sorry,
50 iairallie : Many airlines do not permit their use inflight. You should ask before you use it.
51 phatty3374 : Has anyone tried the GPS function in-flight on an iPhone?
52 TravelAVNut : If you put your iPhone in Flight Mode I think it also turns off the GPS module. Flying back from JNB to AMS this winter, window seat, I couldnt get a
53 robffm2 : Sometimes my iPhone even has trouble on the ground...
54 Post contains images Aesma : Already when you're in Paris the thing overloads you by making you turn every 20 meters Happened once to me on AF, and last week happened at the gate
55 longhauler : At Air Canada, Satellite Receivers ( ie. hand held GPS devices) may be used except during taxi, take off and landing.
56 rushed : Our rental car GPS had obviously been used in flight at some stage as its max speed recorded was 714km/hr... and somehow i don't think a nissan cant g
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