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BA To Launch LGW-Cancun  
User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 805 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12706 times:

BA will launch twice weekly LGW-Cancun service using a three class 772.

more here: http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/ba-adds-gatwick-cancun-route

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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12701 times:

It is already on www.ba.com. Good news from BA.

So what other route is going to be cut to accomodate this one?

Any updates on the shorthauls?



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6179 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12583 times:

I was recently (mid April) in Cancun (for work) and it seemed like a safe city to me, I had been thre in the past as a tourist and had no problems whatsoever. Wlaked around the actual city, the tourist areas, late at night mind you and encountered no issues. Cancun to my understanding is not a violent city and it is actually considered safe, I know of the resort towns- Acapulco has had a surge in drug related violence but to my knowledge not CUN.
Now back to topic, I believe this is the second time around for BA in CUN, this route is very similar to MCO- you can fill the damn plane (will it make money- probably not). This is route BA should have just let the charters go at it and duke it out, not sure why they want to go into the mix.

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Chepos



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User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12492 times:

Not a surprising one, has been on the cards for a while it seems.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
So what other route is going to be cut to accomodate this one?

BA have eight 744s in storage, they are not short on long haul aircraft. No long haul routes from Gatwick are being reduced or cut to accommodate this new service. In fact, BDA has been put back to 6x weekly for the Winter season (posts in a recent thread suggested this was being reduced to 5x weekly).

The winter timetable now requires nine 777s to be based at Gatwick, an increase of one aircraft but with just two additional weekly frequencies, so it will be interesting to see if more routes are announced in the near future to fill a few gaps in the schedule. Havana or Seychelles maybe?


User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12498 times:

BA to relaunch LGW-CUN. Flown in the late '90s (777, I believe).

User currently offlineJER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12486 times:

Quoting chepos (Reply 5):
not sure why they want to go into the mix.

Because perhaps they've done the research, spoken to passengers and business/leisure groups and they believe it can make money?

It's a good compliment to their other 'bucket and spade' routes out of LGW, ie Caribbean etc.

However, is there much of a business requirement for Cancun or the surrounding areas to help fill the J cabin?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12364 times:
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Quoting JER757 (Reply 9):
However, is there much of a business requirement for Cancun or the surrounding areas to help fill the J cabin?

There can be. There are some extremely luxurious eand expensive hotels and resorts in and near Cancun.

Also, as in much of Mexico, the rich tend to live "behind the walls" - in private villas and houses that they rent - and unless you know them or have access to them, you would not know they are there.

Same with Cozumel.

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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12309 times:
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Quoting JER757 (Reply 9):
Quoting chepos (Reply 5):
not sure why they want to go into the mix.

Because perhaps they've done the research, spoken to passengers and business/leisure groups and they believe it can make money?

Perhaps BA's Oneworld partner Mexicana will codeshare on the route as well.


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7258 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12057 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
So what other route is going to be cut to accomodate this one?

By the launch of this service on 3 November BA's long haul fleet will include 4 ADDITIONAL AIRCRAFT, 2 new 77Ws (G-STBA and 'BB) delivered by Boeing and two 774s (G-BNLU and 'LV) currently parked up at VCV. And there is no shortage of slots at LGW following the transfer of most flights to the USA to LGW.

BA will primarily fill the flights to CUN with holidaymakers booking a package with them using the technology on ba.com that allows customers to create their own package of flight, hotel and/or car hire in a single booking. Here is an extract from their press release:

"Holiday prices include flights and seven nights accommodation only from £749 per person at the 3* Holiday Inn Arenas; flights and seven nights all-inclusive at the 4.5* Dreams Puerto Aventuras Resort & Spa from £849 and flights and seven nights all-inclusive at the 5* Dreams Tulum from £929."

They are also promoting self-drive holidays to the Yucatan pensinsula. (Follow the link in Reply 1 for more detail.)

BA are now making a major marketing effort behind what they call their "on-line holiday bookings". In the current edition of their shareholder magazine "Overview" (Issue 44, June 2010), they say:

"Online holiday bookings were up 56 per cent year-on-year in 2009-10 as a result of the introduction of 'dynamic packaging' on ba.com."

Claire Bentley, the Director of BA Holidays, is then quoted as follows:

"We have tailored our expanded range of 3-, 4- and 5- star hotels to meet all our customers' needs as well as increasing our range of inclusive properties by 70 per cent to meet demand."

So it would not surprise me if we saw more announcements of new holiday destination flights out of LGW.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3414 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12058 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
Perhaps BA's Oneworld partner Mexicana will codeshare on the route as well.

I'm sure that will be in the cards. Between BA and MX there will be what MEX-LHR 4x, MEX-LGW 3x CUN-LGW 2x? Competition? AM MEX-LHR 5x? Any others?

AA1818



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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11979 times:

Quoting JER757 (Reply 9):
However, is there much of a business requirement for Cancun or the surrounding areas to help fill the J cabin?

The J cabin will be full of honeymooners - similarly to the Male route ex. LGW. Its a popular honeymoon destination apparently.

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 8):
BA to relaunch LGW-CUN. Flown in the late '90s (777, I believe).

The previous service was operated by AML I believe, in the dreaded 10 abreast 777s



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User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11984 times:

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 15):
Back to the topic. Great that BA will be back in CUN. Was thinking I would have seen VS there before BA's resumption

same here... I had been expecting the Virgin announcement any day, but now with BA and the dozens of charters flying between the UK and Cancun, I'm not sure if we'll ever see Virgin there


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11958 times:

Fantastic news from BA.

As people had said CUN was rumoured for a while so nice to see it being announced officially


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11936 times:
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Quoting AA1818 (Reply 14):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
Perhaps BA's Oneworld partner Mexicana will codeshare on the route as well.

I'm sure that will be in the cards. Between BA and MX there will be what MEX-LHR 4x, MEX-LGW 3x CUN-LGW 2x? Competition? AM MEX-LHR 5x? Any others?

Currently BA and MX do not codeshare. BA operates LHR-MEX 4x weekly (B744) and MX operates MEX-LGW 4x weekly (B762). On 10/30/10, Thomson will increase frequency on the LGW-CUN route from 4x weekly to 5x weekly (B763). AM does not operate into LON.


User currently offlineadh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11829 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 13):
seven nights all-inclusive at the 5* Dreams Tulum from £929

Wow that is a great price. It is about the same as the prices I see for the same resort from Dallas. Of course most Americans are only going for 3 to 5 nights.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3414 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11807 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
AM does not operate into LON.

Aren't there plans to?

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
Currently BA and MX do not codeshare.

I hope they hurry up- MX is weak in Europe and BA could provide them some connecting opportunities, and likewise, MX could provide BA connecting opportunities throughout Mexico and Central America (an alternative to AA via MIA, which let's face it- doesn't really need all that much connecting traffic from BA for it's flights to Central America to mint).

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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11680 times:
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Quoting AA1818 (Reply 21):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
AM does not operate into LON.

Aren't there plans to?

I do not think that AM will serve LON in the near term. Currently, AM operates MEX-CDG daily (B762), MEX-MAD daily (B772), and MEX-BCN 4x weekly (B762).

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 21):
I hope they hurry up- MX is weak in Europe and BA could provide them some connecting opportunities

IMO, BA really does not offer MX anything since MAD offers MX a lot of connecting opportunities courtesy of Iberia.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11662 times:

This should have been BZE  


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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11521 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 23):
This should have been BZE

It is probably be a decision made by BA holidays. Id be surprised if they sell many holidays to Belize.

Cancun is a perfect Gatwick destination. The launch of the recent Male service has probably allowed BA at Gatwick to come to new agreements on permitted duty days which historically had restricted the launch of services over a certain length from the airport. I wonder what will fill the aircraft on the other days of the week.....



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11588 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
Currently BA and MX do not codeshare
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 22):
IMO, BA really does not offer MX anything since MAD offers MX a lot of connecting opportunities courtesy of Iberia.

I know it happens with other alliances as well, but it sad that BA/MX can't figure out a way to get something to work.



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User currently offlineolli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11577 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 4):

Fact of the matter is that unless you're going to Cancun to deal in drugs, weapons or some other illicit activity the only thing you have to fear there are the timeshare presentations.

Couldn't put it any better.

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 8):
BA to relaunch LGW-CUN. Flown in the late '90s (777, I believe).

No, DC10-30

Best Regards,


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11688 times:
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Quoting APYu (Reply 24):
I wonder what will fill the aircraft on the other days of the week.....

It certainly would be nice to see a BA B772 operating into SXM one day...


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11510 times:

Quoting olli (Reply 26):
BA to relaunch LGW-CUN. Flown in the late '90s (777, I believe).

No, DC10-30

BA started the route with a DC-10 (actually part of the BA-AML arrangement) and flew it briefly with the 777 till it was canned around 2000. This flight will probably be operated by the same 777s (G-VIIO, VIIP, VIIR, VIIT) but that are now configured with 275 rather than 383 seats


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11462 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
It certainly would be nice to see a BA B772 operating into SXM one day...

Could you imagine that, a BA777 on finals over Maho Beach, oh god!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dont think there is a market for it as sad as it is to say from the UK  


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7387 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11284 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 11):
it never ceases to amaze me how many tourists continue to flock to Florida and New York despite the violence and crime that comtinue to plague Detroit, Newark, Philly, Oakland, etc

The same could be said about BA's route to LAS.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
It certainly would be nice to see a BA B772 operating into SXM one day...

Does SXM have the ramp space for a 777? (wingspan-wise)?



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25 SCL767 : BA could operate it as a tag-on similar to PUJ, e.g. LGW-ANU-SXM. Recently, SXM's Tourism Minister stated that AB may operate a weekly service into SX
26 Post contains images captaink : Good news for Cancun. It has to be one of the most popular tourists destinations on earth. Well with all fairness SKB has 1000ft more runway.. But the
27 FlyDeltaJets87 : SXM can handle 747-400s. According to the A.net data section, the 777 has a wingspan of 199 ft, 11 in. The 747-400 has a wingspan of 211 ft, 5 in. So
28 Post contains links and images MCO2BRS : SXM has handled the 772 previously, don't know if this was a scheduled flight or just a one-time thing. View Large View MediumPhoto © Joe Pries - ATR
29 BY738 : Im not plugging BA Holidays, but I used them after doing lots of research into a flight from LHR to LAS. BA holidays with a business class flight and
30 Post contains images KLAM : That's just great!!!!! Despite I'm not the biggest BA fan due to a past experience, it's always nice to see mayor international companies actually try
31 Post contains images laca773 : SCL767, FYI, AM upgauges MEX-CDG frequently to the 763/777. I agree, my friend . It would be great to see MX move their operations over to Heathrow a
32 EddieDude : Cool. After the World Cup I would imagine, right? So, does this mean that EZE loses 777 service? Can AM serve MAD and GRU daily, PVG 2x weekly and CD
33 SCL767 : AM is utilizing the B762 on the route now. AF operates MEX-CDG 2x daily (B744 and B772). MEX-EZE will operate 3x weekly (B762). It looks like AM will
34 bogota : All I can say is that if paranoia filled people are stirred away from places like Cancun so much the better for real tourists. Great for BA and great
35 yellowtail : Yeah, but do they have the guaranteed pax and cargo revenue that the UK MoD can offer to BZE. I can tell you, that the UK MoD contract alone would ma
36 APYu : Then it would be Virgin opening the route and not BA
37 yellowtail : BA are interested in operating it, not VS
38 seansasLCY : I think you are slightly confused. VS won the contract to carry the Prime Minister on official trips (although not sure this is the case with new gov
39 ghost77 : Dc10 first later after retirement the 777 was flown until 1999. Welcome back to CUN BA!! g77
40 olli : Thanks for the clarification! Best Regards,
41 HeeBeeGB : LGW-KIN & LGW-BDA frequency cut to allow for this new service. 3 short haul routes cut for the winter and frequency reductions on others. Overall
42 AIR MALTA : What are the routes cut for this winter? It is just frustrating that BA when compared to LH, KL, AF, SN, LX is the only one cutting, cutting, cutting
43 sam1987 : Which ones? Don't KIN and BDA see a seasonal drop in service during the winter anyway, or is this more than normal?
44 LHR380 : I don't see any cutting cutting cutting, bit of an exaggeration I think!
45 sam1987 : Just been looking at the LGW timetable on ba.com - it seems Antalya, Izmir, Paphos and Varna finish on 30 October 2010. Will any return for summer 201
46 AIR MALTA : An exaggeration. BA does not serve any Spanish route out of LGW anymore. PFO, AYT and IZMIR are gone. UK domestic are trimmed. I think the decision t
47 planesarecool : These aren't being cut to allow for the new service, rather the new service is filling in gaps resulting from these cuts. BDA was due to go down to 5
48 APYu : It makes sense to stick to what your good at - so why should they compete? If they can make money doing other things then so be it. BA didnt hand the
49 AIR MALTA : I know, I know... But I still think the decision not to buy GT was a big mistake and we see the results right now.
50 SCL767 : Not necessarily, LGW-KIN caters to VFR traffic and is not a premium or "tourist" route. Plus, VS operates LGW-KIN 2x weekly (B744). BA also routes LO
51 babybus : It's good to see your average holidaymaker having the option to go with a charter airline or a scheduled carrier to a long haul destination. I've alwa
52 planesarecool : Hence why it has only lost one weekly frequency, rather than be dropped completely.
53 SCL767 : Currently, Thomson operates LGW-CUN 4x weekly, MAN-CUN 3x weekly, BHX-CUN weekly, and GLA-CUN weekly. BA would never drop LGW-KIN since VS would have
54 planesarecool : They would if there was no traffic to sustain keeping it. They also operate weekly flights to Cancun from Bristol, East Midlands and Newcastle.
55 IAD380 : Interesting that BA will fly to CUN from London with its own aircraft. I would have thought that BA's merger partner, IB, would fly to CUN from MAD an
56 planesarecool : There are 17 weekly charter flights from seven UK airports to Cancun this Summer, who is going to want to fly via Madrid when they can fly direct?
57 BY738 : Lots would- to avoid the stereotypical gawd awful "charter" flight. No access to proper lounges, fast track, priority boarding, lie flat beds or miles
58 Bongodog1964 : I've heard it mentioned by a number of people, I think the number of charter flights shows that it is quite popular. You must either lead a sheltered
59 SCL767 : UX operates MAD-CUN 4x weekly. Also, IB's PAX can connect onwards to CUN from MAD via MIA. AA/MX operate MIA-CUN 44x weekly.
60 AIR MALTA : I thought it was related to flights out of LCY : BOS or IAH.
61 BY738 : "He said it was "only a matter of time" before the UK national carrier flew to two or three more North American cities. Walsh said he was ALSO being "
62 IAD380 : I would distinguish charter flights from regularly-scheduled service. IB flights to many Latin American destinations rely on both connecting and O&am
63 olli : Iberworld does the flight on behalf of Iberia. Best Regards,
64 EddieDude : Truth is Acapulco stopped being an attractive destination for Europeans long ago (even before the safety/drug situation became a problem there). Whil
65 MAH4546 : Yeah, as if Mexican immigrant is hassle free.
66 SCL767 : Yes, IWD9803/IWD9804 operates MAD-CUN-MAD 6x weekly.
67 United_fan : So what do the crews do? Stay til the next flight or deadhead?
68 mariner : I lived in Acapulco for two years, prior to the present Narco violence. I loved it, I never had any of the problems you list. mariner
69 Civilav : Not quite Eddie. The flights can only be boarded in Spain for round trip journeys. No Mexico-originating traffic allowed. If anyone living in Cancun
70 AR385 : Unless this was written in jest, what a strange, mistifying statement this is. Ditto
71 EddieDude : True. Luckily there are also nonstop flights by UX.
72 SCL767 : Also Condor operates FRA-CUN 4x weekly, (B763). AB operates both DUS-CUN and MUC-CUN on a weekly basis (A332). Martinair operates AMS-CUN 4x weekly (
73 ghost77 : Correction for perfection. BA flew the DC10 until 2000. The 777 then was switched and flew it since late 2001. So it's been only 9 years of absence o
74 Post contains links and images LatinPlane : Spanish tourism accounts for 18% of visitors to Cancun, making it the 3nd largest group by nationality. American tourism accounts for 50%. The route
75 LHR380 : It will be the same as any other long haul flight, the crew will get put up in a Hotel until the next return flight.
76 Pilot21 : I went LGW-CUN-LGW in April with Thomson and the BHX service was twice weekly during that period (Mon/Fri service). The interesting thing was the out
77 netjetsintl : correct, I bet yields to Cancun are worst than Hawaii even, which is says a lot. That's why I'm still surprised BA decided to go there
78 babybus : Guess you're right. I was in holiday marketing till about 10 years ago. Even in my time we had to pull it from the brochure twice as we had empty fli
79 planesarecool : The 'charter' flights to CUN are regularly-scheduled services, they operate to the same schedule 26 weeks in a row.
80 Post contains links and images LatinPlane : British Airways is surprising, but it must mean that there is demand for people to pay a little more to fly on BA. I find it even more interesting th
81 1stfl94 : BA's last DC-10 flew in the spring of 1999.
82 ghost77 : I stand corrected. BA flew the Dc10 until retirement, later on, the 777. g77
83 BY738 : Charter flights are not classed as scheduled flights
84 planesarecool : They operate to the same schedule for 26 weeks each season, and they can be booked individually as flight-only or as part of flight+hotel packages. T
85 BY738 : From a legal and regulatory point of view despite their recent similarities they are not the same. But thats off topic.
86 yellowtail : Now they are all over the penninsula.
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