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Delta To Announce JFK Terminal Plans  
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 13103 times:

Looks like the previous thread on this has been archived. Apparently Delta is to make an announcement about its plans for JFK within the next 60 days: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/del...al-to-attract-customers-2010-06-15

According to a WSJ article on the same topic, the announcement will involve the Port Authority and "several other players."

Any rumors or speculation on what we can expect? Perhaps some sort of terminal swapping arrangement?


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User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12868 times:

As much as I enjoy a rousing T3 bashfest as the next DL fan, nothing new has been said from any authoritative body. A read of the archived thread[s] would be about as constructive as this thread will turn out to be.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12844 times:

I have never been inside their current facility but it's my understanding that it requires some serious overhauling. I wonder how much of it will remain operational during construction or if they are going to break ground on a new facility altogether? Does JFK have the space for that?

User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12639 times:

Haven't we? I could have sworn that was exactly what we heard last time.

Don't get me wrong, I fully expect an announcement soon. I just don't see how there is anything new to discuss until we get more detail.


User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3365 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12591 times:

Quoting Delimit (Reply 6):
Haven't we? I could have sworn that was exactly what we heard last time.

No, we've heard "soon", etc... Never something as definitive as "within 60 days". My understanding is that this is significantly further along than where they thought they were in some past instances.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8517 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12591 times:
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Whatever happens it will probably look similar to terminals 1 and 4 and create what looks like one huge seemless terminal. whatever happens the transition is going to be messy.

User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12259 times:
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Quoting FoxBravo (Thread starter):
Any rumors or speculation on what we can expect? Perhaps some sort of terminal swapping arrangement?

Don't expect a large-scale expensive rebuilding of terminals, etc. As Ed Bastian mentioned today, it will be something that will make " not only our customers and employees happy, but our shareholders as well".....translaton: we will not be engaged in any large-scale capital spending to resolve the JFK situation...

Solution would also allow Delta to move into the new facilities in a "relatively expedited" manner (translation: won't take as long as what a complete rebuilding of terminals would take).

[Edited 2010-06-15 10:40:24]

User currently offlineMoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12161 times:

Did the old TWA terminal get demolished? I had thought that terminal might have worked temporarily.


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User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12066 times:

No it didn't, but JetBlue built a rather large terminal directly behind it.

T6 is available but would come nowhere close to holding the amount of traffic DL moves through JFK.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4718 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11936 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 10):
Don't expect a large-scale expensive rebuilding of terminals, etc. As Ed Bastian mentioned today, it will be something that will make " not only our customers and employees happy, but our shareholders as well".....translaton: we will not be engaged in any large-scale capital spending to resolve the JFK situation...

Solution would also allow Delta to move into the new facilities in a "relatively expedited" manner (translation: won't take as long as what a complete rebuilding of terminals would take).

The jetblue terminal is a great example of practical functionality for a terminal at JFK, its modern, basic, spacious and not, overdone.

Glad to see progress finally being made on this issue. I wont even speculate since theres too many variables between new and existing terminals.



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User currently offlineworldtraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11924 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 10):
Don't expect a large-scale expensive rebuilding of terminals, etc. As Ed Bastian mentioned today, it will be something that will make " not only our customers and employees happy, but our shareholders as well".....translaton: we will not be engaged in any large-scale capital spending to resolve the JFK situation...

Solution would also allow Delta to move into the new facilities in a "relatively expedited" manner (translation: won't take as long as what a complete rebuilding of terminals would take).

Bringing DL's facilities up to standard is priority - and it can only be done with reasonable costs. It accomplishes nothing for DL to build a new terminal - or buy new airplanes or give pay raises - if they can't effectively compete after the transaction.

DL said all along they targeted for resolution of the JFK terminal issue to occur this year and they are delivering. Given that DL has delivered on one major strategic objective after another in the past 5 years, this will be exciting to watch.

Just wait for the World Cup to be over.... I can only handle so much excitement at one day!

GO BRASIL!


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11551 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 10):
Don't expect a large-scale expensive rebuilding of terminals, etc. As Ed Bastian mentioned today, it will be something that will make " not only our customers and employees happy, but our shareholders as well".....translaton: we will not be engaged in any large-scale capital spending to resolve the JFK situation...

Solution would also allow Delta to move into the new facilities in a "relatively expedited" manner (translation: won't take as long as what a complete rebuilding of terminals would take).

Just a guess, but they could probably do this by extending the concourses of T4. Move the existing users of the west concourse (other than DL) into an expanded east concourse, and give DL the whole west concourse. Then tear down T3 and build a third concourse for T4 in its place. There is room to expand (and more or less double) the arrival/departure areas of T4 to the west in order to handle the increased traffic.

Once that's done, tear down T2 and build a second concourse for T1.

As I recall, this is similar to what was proposed about 10 years ago, before 9/11 brought everything to a halt.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8517 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11424 times:
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Quoting Delimit (Reply 12):
No it didn't, but JetBlue built a rather large terminal directly behind it.

Almost all the old TWA termnal got torn down, only teh historic front rotunda got preserved. The TWA terminal had two "Wings " which handled TWA 747's to and from Europe, those were torn down as obselete( they were). IF the two "wings" had not been there would be no room for teh present JB terminal 6.


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1190 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11328 times:

Looks like the idea of all Sky Team members under the same roof may happen.
Also the 2012 completion date may not be so far off,
Another article:
http://blog.cheapoair.com/news/delta...to-attract-business-travelers.aspx


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11328 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 17):

As I recall, this is similar to what was proposed about 10 years ago, before 9/11 brought everything to a halt.

The 2000 plan was for DL to take over T4B, build a T4C and add 10 gates onto T2



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11243 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13):
The jetblue terminal is a great example of practical functionality for a terminal at JFK, its modern, basic, spacious and not, overdone

....and looks like the inside of a Home Depot!



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11194 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
The 2000 plan was for DL to take over T4B, build a T4C and add 10 gates onto T2

Right--which is not too different from what I wrote, with the exception of tearing down T2, which was my own daydream.   Didn't the T2 "expansion" already happen, in the form of the RJ gates at the end of the concourse?

Here is a Times article about the 2000 plan: http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/19/ny...sion-plan-for-kennedy-airport.html

It's interesting to look back and see the other projects that were underway at the time the article was written--the new United terminal, which became the current JetBlue terminal, and the new American terminal, which is also open for business, albeit on a smaller scale than planned.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11174 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 22):

Right--which is not too different from what I wrote, with the exception of tearing down T2, which was my own daydream. Didn't the T2 "expansion" already happen, in the form of the RJ gates at the end of the concourse?

Right, I would think (and hope) if DL adds onto T2+ overhauls it(which id bet money that happens) they would try to get RJ gates with jetways.



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11131 times:
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Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 17):
Just a guess, but they could probably do this by extending the concourses of T4. Move the existing users of the west concourse (other than DL) into an expanded east concourse, and give DL the whole west concourse. Then tear down T3 and build a third concourse for T4 in its place. There is room to expand (and more or less double) the arrival/departure areas of T4 to the west in order to handle the increased traffic.

Once that's done, tear down T2 and build a second concourse for T1.

As I recall, this is similar to what was proposed about 10 years ago, before 9/11 brought everything to a halt.

Most of what you described was floated just some months ago in a similar discussion. T4 will probably be a big part of the solution (but won't happen until they extend the current piers). Extending the "B" pier plus the existing B gates will essentially give Delta the same number of gates they currently have in Terminal 3.

The "A" pier of T4 could also be further extended as well and could accomodate some of the carriers displaced from the B pier (either on a temporary or permanent basis) as DL moves in.


User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11320 times:

T2 barely has any room to expand from what has already been done. Unless you make the whole terminal RJ only, which is unlikely due to how many gates are needed for mainline operations, then I doubt RJ gates with jetways is in the plans here. But perhaps we might see an improvement of the current RJ operation that is there now, which is a cluster...you know what.

User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10885 times:

I still will avoid JFK like the plague. I don't think any amount of window dressing would make JFK a desirable place to travel through. The New York area is not where unless I have to be in New York its self I like to travel. The Yankees excepted.


Rush for ever; Yankees all the way!!
User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10157 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 26):
The Yankees excepted.

Thats the biggest ugly spot in NYC.

Go Red Sox!!



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User currently offlinesectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8948 times:

Something along the lines of DTW would be nice for all skyteam members. Impractical at JFK of course though!

User currently offlineBlueman87 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8280 times:

I am glad they admitted there in the worst terminal cause its true good by T2-3 Bring on new T2-3


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User currently offlineaajfksjubklyn From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6221 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 21):
and looks like the inside of a Home Depot!

I agree!

The only "Announcement" I have seen is an embellishment for Premium Travellers......


25 Highflier92660 : Clearly a mega-project on the magnitude of what American has done at JFK is necessary if Delta expects to remain competitive in the New York market .
26 ATLflyer : American at JFK and Continental(soon to be United) at EWR have beautiful impressive facilities. If Delta wants to win over the business traveler, esp
27 jfk777 : Delta should of course tear down everything and start new. Then they should have a huge mid-field terminal with access through a tunnel from where ter
28 LDVAviation : I think this was discussed before. The conclusion was that Delta does not have enough room on their side to do what AA did. Plus, the costs of such a
29 Post contains images klkla : An ineresting quote from this article: "Terminal 4 was designed from the outset to be expanded in modular fashion, said David Sigman, the development
30 panamair : Remember, Delta is not going to expend billions to rebuild terminals, so I don't forsee a build of a new large terminal in T3's place at all. Once th
31 Deltal1011man : Unless they take over all of T4, they will have to build a T4C. Plus, they will want to be able to grow some. If B6 can gets its terminal built under
32 OA412 : I actually think that this would probably be the most logical option for DL. The only thing I will add is that it would make a great deal of sense, I
33 Post contains images klkla : I don't think it's reasonable to expect them to get all of the T4 gates. They picked up some additional gates recently and would probably be able to
34 skyhigh : Having only flown into JFK once back in the mid 97, I don't really know much about it. I have to say that whatever Terminal we arrived in after flying
35 commavia : Well I, like many others, eagerly await hearing Delta's "shareholder-friendly" plan to revamp their chaotic and antiquated terminal operation at JFK.
36 TOMMY767 : JFK has come a long way since the late 1990s/Early 00s in terms of infrastructure. They now have the air train, the new AA terminal and B6 terminal,
37 NYCAdvantage : Do you guys think hat AF could sell what ever shares they own of T1 to the Schiphol group? because if that happens I would not be surprised that JL do
38 icna05e : While we are bringing up possibilities, how about a boarding deck between 22's, linked a rebuilt T3? I understand thats a pretty long ride from check-
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