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ANZ B744 At Los Angeles Rejected Takeoff  
User currently offlinenautilusgr From Greece, joined Sep 2006, 59 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13138 times:

[...] An Air New Zealand Boeing 747-400, flight NZ-1 from Los Angeles,CA (USA) to Auckland (New Zealand), rejected takeoff from Los Angeles' runway 25R at low speed when the crew suspected tyres on the left hand main gear deflated. The airplane slowed safely and vacated the runway via taxiway G onto B, the crew requested the left hand brakes being checked because of hot temperatures. Later passengers disembarked via mobile stairs and subsequently were bussed to the terminal.

Foreign objects were subsequently reported on the runway around intersection with taxiway F and on taxiway F between the runway and taxiway B. [...]

Source: The Aviation Herald

Sadly I believe FOD is a danger that cannot be eliminated, especially in very busy airports.
I would like to ask the professionals in here, how often a FOD check is done in an airport as busy as LAX.

Thank you

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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3573 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13073 times:

I suppose the "GEAR" synoptic on the 744 comes in handy in situations like these.


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User currently offlinenautilusgr From Greece, joined Sep 2006, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12979 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
I suppose the "GEAR" synoptic on the 744 comes in handy in situations like these.

Unfortunately I think that the gear synoptic on the 744 does not have tire pressure information...


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24884 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12928 times:

Quoting nautilusgr (Thread starter):
I would like to ask the professionals in here, how often a FOD check is done in an airport as busy as LAX.

I believe once and hour.

Most of the time FOD is reported by other passing planes at which times crews are dispatched out.

[Edited 2010-06-15 11:27:09]


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12657 times:

Quoting nautilusgr (Thread starter):
Foreign objects were subsequently reported on the runway around intersection with taxiway F and on taxiway F between the runway and taxiway B. [...]

Maybe I misread it, but I thought that the FOD resulted from the tyres shredding due to the high speed abort?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12010 times:
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NZ1 was due in at AKL around after 5.30am but didn't arrive till after 11.30pm

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7170 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11691 times:

what struck the wheels wasn't FOD technically...

User currently offlineZKNZA From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11096 times:

Quoting nautilusgr (Reply 2):
Unfortunately I think that the gear synoptic on the 744 does not have tire pressure information...

Unlike the 777....


User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6747 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 4):
Maybe I misread it, but I thought that the FOD resulted from the tyres shredding due to the high speed abort?

You Misread. You missed the part where it said

Quoting nautilusgr (Thread starter):
rejected takeoff from Los Angeles' runway 25R at low speed

Flying_727


User currently offlinepeteg913 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5405 times:

Airport Operations constantly monitors the airfield for FOD at larger airports. Often times, however, this does not entail actually searching for FOD, but simply being aware of it. As someone else mentioned, the most effective way to eliminate FOD is from pilot reports. Even at smaller airports, during airfield inspections, done several times a shift, the movement areas are scrutinized for FOD.

Additionally, airports organize FOD walks frequently where whole runways are close while airport employees walk side by side removing every bit of FOD visible.


User currently offlinezkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 6):
what struck the wheels wasn't FOD technically...

Well FOD has 2 definitions... Foreign Object Debris, and Foreign Object Damage... It is simpler to just call it FOD to keep it in peoples minds since it is such an important thing around aircraft.

Unless you are referring to something else that caused this....?



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7170 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Quoting zkpilot (Reply 10):
Unless you are referring to something else that caused this....?

The reason was not due to Foreign Object Debris...put it that way... I won't divulge further at the current time tho.


User currently offlinefilejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting nautilusgr (Reply 2):

That is incorrect, it does.


User currently offlineZKNZA From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Quoting filejw (Reply 12):
That is incorrect, it does.

Maybe its an option on late model 744s.

Air NZ 744 don't have TPIS, every other 747 Iv'e worked on doesn't either.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2250 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2318 times:
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Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 11):
The reason was not due to Foreign Object Debris...put it that way... I won't divulge further at the current time tho.

Wise decision. I've seen the photos of the R/H Body Gear, and it ain't pretty. Definitely was not FOD in the sense we know it.

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 13):
Air NZ 744 don't have TPIS, every other 747 Iv'e worked on doesn't either.

All QF 744's have it. Ours don't.

NZ1


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7170 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 14):
Wise decision. I've seen the photos of the R/H Body Gear, and it ain't pretty. Definitely was not FOD in the sense we know it.

Yeah looked nasty alright...


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