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USAirways Load YUL-DCA/YOW-DCA Effective October  
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

The good people at USAirways decided in their infinite wisdom that YUL/YOW-DCA are appropriate route pairings to expand their DCA footprint.. and effective October, 3 daily CRJ flights are loaded on each city pair.

Mind blogging when you think they could not make YYZ-DCA work for quite some time. Hopefully they had a look at T100 data to see just how strong these markets are  

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User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

There is a service difference between the carriers and with the nature of the traffic between the two cities, AC has a pretty strong following. Bridge load vs. bus out to the RJ is one difference at DCA for the YYZ flights.

User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

These aren't the only new DCA markets that will start on 10/3  

User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1725 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

I wish YYZ would be added at some point. I fly once a month between DCA and YYZ and I have flown to BUF many times to save money as AC's prices are insane!!!!!

Don't get the bus vs bridge thing....US can run E175 on the YYZ route if they wish.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Actually, US's fortunes in the Canadian market seem to be dramatically improving. They continue to dominate PHX-YVR/YYC/YEG and those new additions from PHL and CLT to YHZ and YUL/YOW respectively seem to be doing well too. The next step, of course, is to add flights to DCA, the only other station of any significance to the new US.

Canada's economy is doing very well relative to that of the U.S., so its no surprise that both AC and many U.S. carriers keep adding transborder flights these days. I think LCCs like FL, B6, and F9 are keenly waiting to see how the new VX LAX/SFO-YYZ flights pan out and could very well add some flights of their own if they do well.



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User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 3):
Don't get the bus vs bridge thing....US can run E175 on the YYZ route if they wish.

Exactly my point, they haven't. Taking the bus out to a CRJ in a DC rainstorm vs bridge boarding an EJet is a big service difference. IMO it is why DCA to YYZ didn't work out for them. AC at least pulled their RJ's up to the bridge when they were using that aircraft before the Ejets.

The extra hour and a half plus drive for me to BUF, cost of gas, plus time at the border, negates any cost savings I see with flying out of there vs YYZ. That is unproductive time out of my workday and just not an option. I am self employed now but when I was flying DCA every two weeks my boss made it very clear that my time was more valuable to him dealing with clients and my staff then saving a few bucks and driving.


User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 5):
it is why DCA to YYZ didn't work out for the

I wonder if I missed something. some three or four years ago, I had a relative that traveled YYZ-DCA-ORF and back many times a year. She loved this option and only paid around $150-250 r/t.

When was YYZ-DCA pulled?



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User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

I haven't been following the situation too closely, so correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the DL/US slot swap fall though, and so where are these slots coming from?


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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 5):
Exactly my point, they haven't. Taking the bus out to a CRJ in a DC rainstorm vs bridge boarding an EJet is a big service difference. IMO it is why DCA to YYZ didn't work out for them. AC at least pulled their RJ's up to the bridge when they were using that aircraft before the Ejets.

I believe AC still runs CRJs on the YOW route at least. I know YYZ gets the 175s, but I'm not sure about YUL. It was always fun to sit in the Delta terminal and watch the sharply dressed AC and Jazz planes there.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3062 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Now US has YUL-CLT/DCA/PHL, YYZ-CLT/PHL/DCA and YOW-CLT/PHL/DCA.

Besides the routes in Western Canada, the only routes to Canada on mainline are on CLT-YYZ.



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User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Thread starter):
The good people at USAirways decided in their infinite wisdom that YUL/YOW-DCA are appropriate route pairings to expand their DCA footprint.. and effective October, 3 daily CRJ flights are loaded on each city pair.

Mind blogging when you think they could not make YYZ-DCA work for quite some time.

These routes will do just fine. You'll see 2 other cities loaded as well.


User currently offlineflyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):
They continue to dominate PHX-YVR/YYC/YEG

Dominate? Thing they have some good competition from WS on those routes.


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1725 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):
They continue to dominate PHX-YVR/YYC/YEG

Hardly.....Maybe when they used to fly out of LAS, but these days they run a single CRJ900 to YEG down from up to three flights daily (LAS and PHX) a couple years back.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5074 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

When oh when will AC and US start codesharing for goodness sakes? It seems like a no-brainer, how long has US been in Star now?


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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1034 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 12):

The level of service varies by season. This past winter they operated 2x daily PHX-YVR with A320s (3x daily for December and February), 2x daily PHX-YYC with A319s, and 2x daily PHX-YEG with an A319 and a CRJ-900. At the very least they match frequency with AC and WS on those segments.



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User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
When oh when will AC and US start codesharing for goodness sakes? It seems like a no-brainer, how long has US been in Star now?

No kidding, why be a member if US isn't going to take full advantage of it?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 15):
Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
When oh when will AC and US start codesharing for goodness sakes? It seems like a no-brainer, how long has US been in Star now?

No kidding, why be a member if US isn't going to take full advantage of it?

If codesharing threatens to erase revenue, there is no point to the codeshare. It is likely that US has decided a codeshare with Air Canada will hurt revenue rather than add additional revenue.

Codesharing absent antitrust is often only beneficial in non-overlapping markets.



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