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UA Express Regional Jet Runway Overrun In YOW  
User currently offlinethreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12172 times:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/stor...010/06/16/ott-plan-off-runway.html

It appears a UA CRJ inbound from Washington has slid off or overrun the runway in Ottawa (CYOW). Minor injuries are reported to the captain, first officer and one passenger.

Heavy rain was reported at the time of the incident.

[Edited 2010-06-16 13:36:46]


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User currently offlinethreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12131 times:

http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loca...ne_100616/20100616/?hub=OttawaHome

United Express flight 8050. A picture of the aircraft is included in the link above.



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 934 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12066 times:

Looks like a Trans States ERJ in the picture. Flifo states arrival at 14:31 though scheduled at 13:54...of course the return has been cancelled!


Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
User currently offlinethreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12003 times:

You're right - it does look like an ERJ. Good eyes.


The nice thing about a mistake is the pleasure it gives others.
User currently offlineloggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11719 times:

I wonder if this is one of the planes that doesn't have thrust reversers...

and of course, Canadian runways are not grooved. Doesn't sound good.

[Edited 2010-06-16 14:16:08]


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11639 times:

Quoting threepoint (Thread starter):
a UA CRJ inbound from Washington

Updated article in your link says "The Embraer 145, listed as United Airlines Flight 8050,"

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 2):
Looks like a Trans States ERJ in the picture

The article linked in Reply 1 says "There were 33 people onboard flight 8050, operated by Trans States Airlines, "


User currently offlineandyinpit From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11353 times:

Quoting loggat (Reply 4):
I wonder if this is one of the planes that doesn't have thrust reversers...

It does not have reversers. Only a handful of TransStates's planes do have reversers...I want to say 7, but thats just a guess


User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11132 times:

Love how reporters in Canada go back and forth between the metric & US systems..

"The plane overshot the runway by about 200 metres, coming to a stop about 100 feet from the airport's fence, said paramedic spokesperson J.P. Trottier."



xx
User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11076 times:

Quoting USXguy (Reply 7):
Love how reporters in Canada go back and forth between the metric & US systems

It's because we have to hold on to the Imperial system of measurement when we do trade with the US.
So, when it comes to measurement, it's easier to round up to whatever is convenient...

It's easier to say 200 meters rather than 656.167 feet, and easier to say 100 feet, rather than 30.48 meters.



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User currently offlinebakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11010 times:

Quoting USXguy (Reply 7):
Love how reporters in Canada go back and forth between the metric & US systems..

"The plane overshot the runway by about 200 metres, coming to a stop about 100 feet from the airport's fence, said paramedic spokesperson J.P. Trottier."

It's a quote... it's not the reporters


User currently offlineHBGDS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10876 times:

From the NTSB press release:

At about 2:30 p.m. EDT, a Trans States Airlines Embraer-145

regional jet operated as United Express flight 8050

(N847HK), overran runway 25 while landing at Ottawa

International Airport. Preliminary reports indicate that

there were several injuries among the 33 passengers and

three crewmembers onboard. The flight originated from

Washington Dulles International Airport.


User currently offlineJetCaptain From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10820 times:

Pictures ....

http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa...ottawa/2010/06/16/pf-14414881.html


User currently offlinethreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10737 times:

Quoting JetCaptain (Reply 11):
Pictures ....

Look at the 2nd photo in the slideshow. Never fails to amaze me how many passengers won't think of deplaning without their carry-on items.



The nice thing about a mistake is the pleasure it gives others.
User currently offlineLJ35 From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10679 times:

I actually saw this incident happen before my eyes.I work @ the ESSO FBO @ YOW and the runway that this mishap occured on is right in front of us,and just a note regarding the NTSB statement saying it overan runway 25 it was actually runway 07.Conditions at the time fairly heavy rain and low cloud cover meaning that the runway was extremely slick although there were a few aicraft that landed before this one and there weren't any problems with them,yet most of them were using the entire length of 07 instead of exiting at Foxtrot taxiway.When I saw the United Express go buy he was moving at a fair clip and I had my doubts of it being able to stop in time,my fellow co-workers didn't seem to believe me when I said that he will most likely overun the end of the runway.Of course that changed when we all saw it nose down off the end of 07.Given that this was a Trans States owned aircraft it isn't equiped with thrust reversers,I know this because this is the second time in 6 years that a Trans States EMB 145 has gone off the end of a runway in YOW.The last time was in August 2004(this was a flight being operated for US Airways Express) on runway 25 in very wet conditions and the pilot there had said he had no braking action,essentially hydroplaning until he hit the grass were braking action was re-established.That recovery was easy,it only involved a tug and towbar,this one will pretty similar to the Miami Air 727 recovery back in September 2000 that had the same thing happen.

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3211 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10551 times:

A few posters have mentioned the lack of thrust reversers, but in reality they only marginally help stopping performance, and many airlines' landing performance data does not even include the use of reverse thrust. Much more significant is the lack of grooves on the runway during a downpour.

Quoting loggat (Reply 4):

and of course, Canadian runways are not grooved. Doesn't sound good.

  



FLYi
User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4275 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9167 times:

Minor injuries to the pilot and co-pilot = "they sh!t their pants!"  

Back to being serious for a second and obviously this incident could have been a lot worse. Thankfully everybody is OK and I wish all of those who were injured a quick recovery!

My guess is that this plane will be back in the skies in a month.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineNC1844V From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9012 times:
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Really doesn't look that bad. Good thing no one was hurt more than they were.

Always sad to see a beautiful airplane torn up though...



Steven Bates
User currently offlineWJV04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6747 times:

Canadian runways are not groved, as they have negitive braking benifits in freezing conditons.

User currently offlinelnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

First post in months here..

Quoting loggat (Reply 4):
and of course, Canadian runways are not grooved. Doesn't sound good.

And, several thousand planes land every day in Canada just like everywhere else in the world, with no issues....... Lets not blow this up into a huge issue that likely isn't there.

Quoting WJV04 (Reply 17):
Canadian runways are not groved, as they have negitive braking benifits in freezing conditons.

Bingo.

1011yyz



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

I am guessing that after this incident Trans States will want to change their ATC call sign to something other than "WATERSKI"

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3211 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5875 times:

Quoting lnglive1011yyz (Reply 18):
And, several thousand planes land every day in Canada just like everywhere else in the world, with no issues....... Lets not blow this up into a huge issue that likely isn't there.

Lets not dismiss it before an investigation is complete either. Crowning and grooving reduces the amount of standing water which in turn reduces hydroplaning which in turn increases the margin of safety. Its not rocket science.



FLYi
User currently offlineFX772LRF From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 675 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5859 times:

Quoting threepoint (Reply 12):
Look at the 2nd photo in the slideshow. Never fails to amaze me how many passengers won't think of deplaning without their carry-on items.

I think one of the main things you have to think about is what can actually be in a carry-on. Medicine being the big one, also house/car keys would be a big deal.

They're not going to just grab the things they need out of their bag. They grab all their sh!t possible and get out.

-Noah   



Cleared to IAH via CLL 076 radial/BAZBL/RIICE3, up to 3k, 7k in 10, departure on 134.3, squawk 4676, Colgan 9581.
User currently offlineauroralives From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 5732 times:

Quoting threepoint (Reply 12):
Look at the 2nd photo in the slideshow. Never fails to amaze me how many passengers won't think of deplaning without their carry-on items.

On July 14, 2004, and almost identical situation happened on the same runway, in the opposite direction. You can read the report here.

It was a EMB-175 operated by Trans State Airways (but for USAir Express), Hmmmmmm..

I know this because I was on that plane  Wow!

Anyway, to the carry-on comment.... After the plane came to rest, it took almost 1.5 hours before they would let us off... they had to figure out how to get busses there, and since there was no danger of fire, they figured why make us stand around in a muddy field in the rain.

My incident and this one were NOT "throw open the door, inflate the slides and get the hell out at risk of death" type of incidents.... more like a call home and, "honey, my plane crashed and it's stuck in the mud and they won't let us out so I'll be late for dinner" kind of event.

Believe me, carry-on bags were NOT an issue  


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5652 times:

While I don't doubt your experience - to my knowledge Trans States has never operated any EMB-175 aircraft.

The incident in your link describes the aircraft as an ERJ-145.

Re the carry-on - it looks to me from the photos there was no "emergency evacuation" - but that when the passengers were allowed off the aircraft they were told to take all their belongings because they would not be getting back on the aircraft again.


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3033 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5617 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 20):
Lets not dismiss it before an investigation is complete either. Crowning and grooving reduces the amount of standing water which in turn reduces hydroplaning which in turn increases the margin of safety. Its not rocket science.

And in winter, residual moisture in the grooves freezes and acts as an ice crystal catalyst for the remainder of the runway surface. It's way easier (or should be) to deal with a wet runway in summer than an icy one in winter.



Empty vessels make the most noise.
25 auroralives : Sorry... typo... my point was it was the same aircraft both times.
26 PITrules : Treatments are available to deal with that. I disagree, if the runway is not crowned and grooved, how does an airport deal with a wet runway? Over th
27 lnglive1011yyz : It's too premature to even blame the runway at this point. For a plane of this size in question to not be able to land on an 8000 foot runway in stor
28 m11stephen : In this case it does indeed look like there was an emergency evacuation. All four of the exits are open and in one of the pics the F/A can be seen he
29 Kaiarahi : The previous overrun on this runway and in YYZ were both hot and high; in addition, the previous YOW overrun was also attributed to inappropriate wet
30 PITrules : Indeed; as I stated there is a chain of events. What I'm talking about is increasing the margin of safety on wet runways, which grooved runways do. I
31 Viscount724 : MSP winters are several degrees colder than YOW based on average temperature data from 1970 to 2000. Record low temperatures for the months of Decemb
32 threepoint : Not so my friend. The properties of water, or in this case, ice, differ greatly at different temperatures. Ice & snow certainly do not retain sta
33 A346Dude : Off topic, but not true. Moscow is colder by record and average temperature while Helsinki is colder by average temperature, as are Reykjavik and a c
34 threepoint : Veering off topic here, but are you sure? Reykjavik is a surprisingly mild city... It's all a moot exercise at any rate, because all that really matt
35 atpcliff : Hi! Thrust reversers can make a HUGE difference. I am currently flying a DC-9, and we could stop without using ANY braking, if we wanted to. TRs are n
36 DashTrash : I hear what you're saying, but not all types of reversers are created equal. ERJ buckets create a lot of drag just by opening them. They're good and
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