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Virgin America Looking To Land In Mexico  
User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 593 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7736 times:

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/.../83346/virgin-america-eyes-mexico/

"Virgin America would face lots of competition in this market"

Are there any good routes left???

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User currently onlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6087 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7592 times:

I don't believe it would be Mexico City. That market is in fact loaded with UA/AM/MX. Most likely it would be Puerto Vallarta and Cabo San Lucas which have had diminishing flights over the past few years. AS daily PVR/SJD and United alternating SJD/PVR currently. From Los Angeles there is a little more competition, yet still dwindled as well over the last few.


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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

They'll probably go to SJD. Or maybe even to rocky point now that the new airport is open.

User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7568 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
They'll probably go to SJD. Or maybe even to rocky point now that the new airport is open.

That's what I was thinking, Rocky point, - Loreto...

All the good routes to SJD, CUN, MEX are already taken


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24805 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7553 times:

Remember VX has already tried for Mexico once with its LAX-SJD application, so the concept of Mexico flying has been part of its plans a long time.


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User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7475 times:

Where are you jetBlue?..Bring jetBlue into Mexico even deeper already..


Bring JetBlue To Mexico City! (TLC and/or MEX would be great)
User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7325 times:

I wish they would concentrate on expanding domestic routes before going down to Mexico. Work on MCO and places like maybe ATL and other domestic routes

User currently offlinejetMARC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 7287 times:

I thought Alaska dropped their LAX-CUN service. Wouldn't that allow VX to enter the market?


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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 7228 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 6):
I wish they would concentrate on expanding domestic routes before going down to Mexico. Work on MCO and places like maybe ATL and other domestic routes

I agree, they should focus on more domestic operations, they need somthing in the midle of the country, Chicago or Denver- if they wanted they could probally make EGE work eith there high fare clientel... but the bottom line is they need some domestic service, how about more flights from an east coast destination? maybe more conecting of dots, the US is not so centered as the UK or Australia are, SRB should get a better domestic network before going into other countries.

(speaking of international flying, what happened to not being allowed to use the virgin brand on international- isnt thst why its VAustralia, instead of Virgin Australia / Virgin Blue?)



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 6):
I wish they would concentrate on expanding domestic routes before going down to Mexico. Work on MCO and places like maybe ATL and other domestic routes

Virgin will add 3-4 new cities within the next 18 months where "you will not be able to see the ocean".



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User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6964 times:

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 8):
the US is not so centered as the UK or Australia are

What do you mean by this? Fair enough the UK is quite small, so to go from one end to the other takes less than a day. However, Australia? The whole point is hardly anyone lives in the centre because its mainly desert! Most people live all along the east coast and the eastern end of the south coast, plus a load more on the west coast. I wouldn't call that "centred" and would say that is much more like the US with a larger people towards the coasts and generally fewer people in the middle.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5175 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6743 times:

web500sjc (Reply 6), you're absolutely right. Virgin Blue's international routes are marketed as either Pacific Blue or V Australia (depending on the route) because they can't use the Virgin on international routes.

I was of the understanding that this was to do with the tie-up between VS and SQ, part of the agreement was that the Virgin brand could not be used on international flights by a future airline (ie. Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Express only). However Virgin Sun and Virgin Nigeria have since come along and been able to fly international flights under the Virgin brand, so now I'm really confused!

I presume that Virgin America know what they're doing and can use the brand, but then why can't DJ???



However, Australia centred??? Admittedly the majority of the population live on the eastern sea-board between Brisbane and Melbourne, but I wouldn't call that centred. Outside the "golden triangle" (BNE, SYD, MEL) the distances between cities are vast.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17331 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6619 times:

Quoting jetMARC (Reply 7):
I thought Alaska dropped their LAX-CUN service. Wouldn't that allow VX to enter the market?

If AS can't make it work, VX doesn't have a prayer

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 3):
That's what I was thinking, Rocky point, - Loreto...

Not without an enormous subsidy; the market to LTO is small and PPE nonexistant



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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6544 times:

sorry i got the fealing that austrailia was a bit melbourne and sydney-centric, i guess that is just qantas.


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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5940 times:

I wonder is México resort destination flying is to add value to their frequent flyer program? When I was a member of the PSA frequent flyer program I flew free to Los Cabos. Los Cabos is great destination for quick get-away.

User currently offlineflyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
If AS can't make it work, VX doesn't have a prayer

AS has been retrenching in SEA and PDX these past few years except to Hawaii.

LAX CUN for AS mught have been working but perhaps they made the decision to move the aircraft to a better route or hub. Either way with the economy improving leisure routes to Mexico may be the best move for VX.

Still they might be planing more than Mexico just because its mentioned does not make it VX's only focus.


User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 9):
Virgin will add 3-4 new cities within the next 18 months where "you will not be able to see the ocean".

I assume that's their clever way of saying they will be expanding within the country instead of the coasts


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17331 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4778 times:

Quoting flyingcat (Reply 15):
LAX CUN for AS mught have been working but perhaps they made the decision to move the aircraft to a better route or hub.

....which means by definition, it wasn't working. And it should be little surprise given the length of the flight, the low fares, and the hangover from H1N1.

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 16):
I assume that's their clever way of saying they will be expanding within the country instead of the coasts

"We're hip!"



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5215 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

They could have a chance on SFO-MEX.

Welcome Virgin America to Mexico!! Please land in MEX!!

VX could code share or get connections with Interjet.

g77



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User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 566 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3661 times:

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 18):
They could have a chance on SFO-MEX.

A chance to get the route authority or a chance to actually make money?


User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5215 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 3588 times:

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 19):
A chance to get the route authority or a chance to actually make money?

Both I see.

I wish I could see VX on the LAX-MEX, but it is impossible to get the route authority.

g77



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User currently offlinecaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

I wish we would have more connectivity from Mexico to the North East. I mean there are alot flights on the majors, but some LCC action would be great, to get things interesting. New York anyone? Everything for the WestCoast and or South. Yeah I know that is where the expats are, but still.

OK, rant over.. 

VX in Mexico would be interesting. I suspect B6 would follow suit. Seems like LCCs are really interesting in short/medium haul international flights. WN is the only sort of staying out of that action.



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User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

I think B6 would start service to some Mexican cities including MEX. Its just a matter of time when. I do see them starting service. I just hope they do,before Virgin America does. Some service from NyC would be great. Lets do it jetBlue. What are you waiting for?


Bring JetBlue To Mexico City! (TLC and/or MEX would be great)
User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3487 times:
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How's SFO-GDL covered? If there's a slot open in that market, perhaps we'll see VX pick that up. I could see VX picking up SFO-SJD but am not sure about LAX as you already have AS with 2X daily (sometimes more during high season), MX, 1X daily, AA 2X daily, UA, 1X daily.
If they decide on starting Mexico flying, The A319s would be the best bet to start out with.

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 6):
I wish they would concentrate on expanding domestic routes before going down to Mexico. Work on MCO and places like maybe ATL and other domestic routes

I agree but am not so sure about ATL. This is pretty saturated with DLs world fortress there and then you have FL with another large hub.

Is MCO still scheduled to happen? I know there was talk the schedules were not available for booking yet a while back. Are they waiting on a/c that are delayed because of the seat maker? MCO-LAX is another market that's well covered from LAX: DL 2X daily, UA 2X daily, AA 1X daily.

How's VX with obtaining gates @ ORD right now? Are they getting closer to signing a lease?


User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 19):
A chance to get the route authority or a chance to actually make money?

Very good point, but I'm with Ghost...I think SFO-MEX could work, even though the route is full already.


25 goldenstate : Difficult to envision VX making MEX work. MX and UA are both well established in the market; MX with VFR traffic flows, UA with its flights timed for
26 MaverickM11 : They would be totally annihilated by DL Mexicana and Volaris both fly it, and it's a primarily ethnic market that doesn't really fit VX' business mod
27 DesertAir : Actually, Volaris flies to GDL from Oakland, not San Francisco. Both Volaris and Mexicana fly from Oakland to GDL. Volaris also flies to Tijuana to r
28 laxboeingman : I think that LAX-PVR would be a good one because I think that there is high demand and I know that DL and AS fly there directly, but I am not sure, an
29 bigGSFO : Times two. Same for AA at Dallas. I think Puerto Vallarta would be their first Mexican destination. LAX/SFO-PVR would fit their profile and if they h
30 LAXintl : When coming up with potential routes to Mexico, one must remember many city-pairs have restrictions on the number of carriers allowed, so for instance
31 Tomassjc : Volaris and Mexicana also have Guadalajara covered daily from SJC
32 UAL747DEN : Yep you would be correct!
33 Deltal1011man : I'm not 100% on this one but IIRC the NYC-MEX rules are the same as LAX-MEX, IE 2 carriers from each side can fly the route. Both DL and CO fly NYC-M
34 N623JB : Well,B6 can start California-Mexico routes too,besides NYC/Florida-Mexico routes. I wish the MEX rule can change so that they can allow LCC's in MEX.
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