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DL Mainline Back In ABE?  
User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 398 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Forgive me if this topic was covered elsewhere, but I was kind of shocked this morning to get an ACARS hit on DL1799, ABE-ATL on an MD-88. Since when has DL restored mainline service to ABE? Being a former resident of the area, the last mainline aircraft I remember to visit ABE was the 732 and 733, with NW's DC-9-30's lasting a few years longer. Does anyone know what the schedule is and if this is a permanent or temporary upgrade in capacity?

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User currently offlinekbpilot5 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

Looks like it's once daily at least for the summer.

User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

I am seeing where a number of cities that haven't seen DL mainline in a while are again. Other than ABE, some include TLH, GSP, GSO, PVD, MHT, LEX, and probably more...


Bill in ATL
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what the schedule is and if this is a permanent or temporary upgrade in capacity?

Perhaps "permanent" for as long as AirTransient or some other here-today-gone-tomorrow LCC serves ABE to some market(s) of some importance to DL? ...and when DL's competition is out of the picture, it's back to the same old same old all-RJs that are overbooked to the point of IDBs on every flight every day ...at any rate, that would seem to be consistent with DL's modus operandi.


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Isnt FL flying to ATL? Well OF COURSE DL has mainline there now haha.

If AirTran had flights that left ATL , flew in circles for an hour and landed back in ATL, DL would do the same damn thing. With mainline.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 4):
Isnt FL flying to ATL? Well OF COURSE DL has mainline there now haha.

Here is your answer. AirTran flies seasonal once daily ABE-ATL for the summer. This is DL's usual response to such service. They did it last year with MDT (and this year too) with their early morning ATL flight (closest in time to FL's flight) is now an MD-88 as well.



In Loving Memory of Casey Edward Falconer; May 16, 1992-May 9, 2012
User currently offlineKOAboy From United States of America, joined May 2010, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 4):
Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 5):



Oh, I beg your pardon. It would seem to many that the "Big, Bad Delta" should not be permitted to be proactive and competitive. The last time checked airlines are not non-profit organizations; they are corporations in the business of making money.



"This is a nasty, rotten business."-Robert L. Crandall, former AA CEO & President
User currently offlinebatonops From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 747 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

DL mainline will end at MDT and ABE as soon as FL ends its seasonal service to ATL. It happened in 2009 and will happen again this year.

User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting KOAboy (Reply 6):
Oh, I beg your pardon. It would seem to many that the "Big, Bad Delta" should not be permitted to be proactive and competitive.

I have no pardon for you to beg. If you're calling DL proactive in reference to AirTran markets, I suggest you look up what proactive means.


User currently offlineBuddys747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 527 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Bad thing for ABE is DL only offers 1 flight a day to ATL. And it was not in the morning with an evening return until FL started. I believe it was a afternoon turn on a CRJ. Last I looked at least with MDT the MD-88 was still on the schedule after FL service to ATL ends. That could change though. In either case, the folks in Allentown at least have 2 mainline flights a day to ATL!

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 3):
AirTransient or some other here-today-gone-tomorrow LCC serves


Are you implying that FL is a fly by night outfit? From what I heard they are doing quite well in ABE, at least on the MCO and winter FLL routes. I do realize though that there are others that have come and gone at ABE.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Quoting KOAboy (Reply 6):
It would seem to many that the "Big, Bad Delta" should not be permitted to be proactive and competitive.

More like defensive...

Quoting KOAboy (Reply 6):
Oh, I beg your pardon. It would seem to many that the "Big, Bad Delta" should not be permitted to be proactive and competitive. The last time checked airlines are not non-profit organizations; they are corporations in the business of making money.
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 8):
I have no pardon for you to beg. If you're calling DL proactive in reference to AirTran markets, I suggest you look up what proactive means.

Neither do I. KcrwFlyer and I were merely just stating a fact that everyone in this forum who knows how DL works in markets they share with FL. Neither of us expressed any bias as to DL's competitive practice. For every ATL-XXX market AirTran enters alongside Delta, they either upgrade to larger DL Connection equip (HPN for example) or bump up to mainline on all or some of their flights (DAB, MDT, ABE for example). No bias, just a pattern that everyone in here has seen and would have said the same thing.



In Loving Memory of Casey Edward Falconer; May 16, 1992-May 9, 2012
User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Refresh my memory: about 15 years ago (had to be '94, '95) I flew DL out of ABE to ATL on a 732, and I believe the airplane operated in a round-robin routing that went something like ATL-MDT-ABE-ATL. Am I mistaken?

User currently offlineFLYjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 10):
Quoting KOAboy (Reply 6):
It would seem to many that the "Big, Bad Delta" should not be permitted to be proactive and competitive.

More like defensive...

Absolutely defensive. US Airways offering an A-319 on their morning CLT flight for years (with exception of the period of CRJ to outsource mainline staff) is being pro-active based on the market. If DL really had cared about the ABE market, they wouldn't have continued to reduce the presence from 4 RJs, down to one, only to upgrade the flight to an MD-88 for a period of time.

Quoting catiii (Reply 11):
Refresh my memory: about 15 years ago (had to be '94, '95) I flew DL out of ABE to ATL on a 732, and I believe the airplane operated in a round-robin routing that went something like ATL-MDT-ABE-ATL. Am I mistaken?

You are correct, there were multiple flights either with 732, 733, or MD-88 that went ATL-MDT-ABE-ATL and on the reverse, ATL-ABE-MDT-ATL. There was also mainline service to CVG. I don't remember if ABE and MDT shared on one or more of those daily frequencies. DL also had the daily 732 flight to MCO as DL Express in the morning.


User currently offlinebatonops From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 747 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Quoting Buddys747 (Reply 9):
Last I looked at least with MDT the MD-88 was still on the schedule after FL service to ATL ends. That could change though.

Pretty much guaranteed that it will end once FL service ends. DL will then have to reason to offer mainline service at MDT or even ABE. They added the mainline service to compete with FL.

Its a shame it plays out like that...


User currently offlineBuddys747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 527 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Quoting batonops (Reply 13):
Pretty much guaranteed that it will end once FL service ends. DL will then have to reason to offer mainline service at MDT or even ABE. They added the mainline service to compete with FL.

Its a shame it plays out like that...

Yes it is. UA and US keep at least one going all year, no reason DL can't. ABE could more than handle 1 if not more MD-88 a day. With the NW merger, it's not like there is not enough available aircraft to go around.

I would like to see the new interiors, but looks like we might have to wait until next summer.

BTW, how is FL's ATL service doing at ABE and MDT?


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Quoting FLYjoe (Reply 12):
There was also mainline service to CVG. I don't remember if ABE and MDT shared on one or more of those daily frequencies.

Around that time period, there was a CVG-AVP-ABE-CVG sort of routing on comair CRJs.


User currently offlinebatonops From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 747 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting Buddys747 (Reply 14):
BTW, how is FL's ATL service doing at ABE and MDT?

Haven't heard anything on how well the MDT-ATL route is for FL. I do know from my talking to some folks at MDT that FL is more than happy with their loads to MCO.

I wish DL would keep the MD-80 on all year. Sure beats a CRJ.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Quoting batonops (Reply 16):
Haven't heard anything on how well the MDT-ATL route is for FL.

It obviously works for them because FL operated seasonal MDT-ATL last year and bought it back this year.



In Loving Memory of Casey Edward Falconer; May 16, 1992-May 9, 2012
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