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Historic Dc 3 Crashes In Berlin  
User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7064 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16388 times:

The famous "Rosinenbomber" Dc 3 has crashed in Berlin. It is damaged beyond repair. 7 people were injured.

http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin-aktu...-bei-Schoenefeld-verunglueckt.html


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7613 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16422 times:

Hopefully it will end up in a museum/displayed somewhere, does not sound as if it will fly again.

User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1039 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16377 times:



Right wing torn off after having crashed with a fence post


User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16306 times:
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Man, that's so sad.
Happy though that they all made it out alive, just hoping no one suffered any injuries to neck or spine.

Wonder if they can restore another one with the insurance money, I guess there must be a substantial insurance policy on a classic antique like that!



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User currently offlinelindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3120 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16214 times:
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That's really unfortunate! I've seen that aircraft flying over Berlin many times and considered going for a flight myself. I'm glad nobody was killed in the accident.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16144 times:
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This is very sad news indeed. I am relieved that everyone is safe though. I flew on Die Rosinenbomber last year in commemoration of the Berlin Airlift. I will miss her very much.

R.I.P. D-CXXX


User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16096 times:

What a sad end.

Part of me prefers that she continued flying for so long to let others experience the DC-3 as opposed to sitting pristine in a museum.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5036 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15992 times:

I wonder why it crashed? At least it didn't catch fire.


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User currently offlineOwleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 959 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15871 times:

Sad end and what a coincident that I was granted permission, few weeks prior to this crash, by Ralf Manteufel to re-paint his Rosinenbomber picture...



User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1039 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15785 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 7):
I wonder why it crashed?

A member of the German parliament on board twittered "left engine stopped".


User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1874 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15723 times:
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Terrible news! Such a sad end for a plane this old... Glad there are no fatalities..


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User currently offlinenomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15325 times:

Quoting lindy field (Reply 4):
That's really unfortunate! I've seen that aircraft flying over Berlin many times and considered going for a flight myself. I'm glad nobody was killed in the accident

What a shame. I was privileged to fly aboard this aircraft several years ago as a guest of the company. Taking off from Templehof on a classic airliner was a memorable experience. Now the airport is closed and the plane is gone. Truly the end of an era.


User currently offline580fa From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15247 times:

What a sad ending for a beautiful, classic aircraft.

Can someone please talk about the owner of this aircraft, and the type of operation it was used on? Is this a passenger flight, or sightseeing? Something else?

In any event, too bad to see it end like this. And of course very glad all survived.


User currently offlinenomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15156 times:

Quoting 580fa (Reply 12):
Can someone please talk about the owner of this aircraft, and the type of operation it was used on? Is this a passenger flight, or sightseeing? Something else?

At the time I did the flight, the company was offering sightseeing tours above Berlin to give a little idea what the Airlift might have been like. The boarding area at Templehof was decked out like a U.S. Air Force officer's lounge of the post-war era. Staff were dressed as USAF pilots in leather bomber jackets. 1940's music was playing and passengers were offered Coca-Cola in clasic bottles. Everthing was well done and quite nostalgic.

Time in the air was about 25 minutes over the rooftops of Berlin. It was one of the most memorable and enjoyable trips I have ever taken in all my years of flying.


User currently offlineLH7879 From Germany, joined Dec 2009, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13899 times:

Au Weia,
this really makes me sad. I frequently saw this aircraft above Berlin, the last time just some days ago when I sat in one of the parks and said to a friend (who isn't interested in aviation at all) 'look there is the DC-3, the Rosinenbomer'. That is something really everybody can connect to.
I will miss the deep sound of this bird a lot, which was allways very distinguishable from far away and hope that they will get a replacement soon. Is it nowadays hard to aquire some DC-3? I know there where still a plenty around some years ago, weren't they?

Btw, where is the Ju-52 of Lufthansa Historic Flight at the moment? Wasn't it doing tours above Berlin some years ago as well? Haven't seen it in a while....


User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 12298 times:

Really sad, I often saw this aircraft (D-CXXX) circling over Berlin. Let's hope all injured will fully recover.

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Quoting 580fa (Reply 12):
Can someone please talk about the owner of this aircraft, and the type of operation it was used on? Is this a passenger flight, or sightseeing? Something else?

Flights on the DC-3 "Raisin Bomber" were usually either sighseeing flights over Berlin (as in this case), or went to Dresden. They were offerd by Air Service Berlin. Quite a blow for the company, if you ask me. On their website, there is still only the initial press bulletin to be found.

http://www.air-service-berlin.de/?lang=2

[Edited 2010-06-20 00:31:20]

[Edited 2010-06-20 00:31:52]


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User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9677 times:

Sad, sad news.... what a beatifull machine, would've love to go up in it.......

many many years ago those engines weren't that reliable, I remember reading in a book, a pilot who flew the DC-3 in the 1940s said " AH, the DC-3, the best single engine airplane I've ever flown"


User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9214 times:

The pictures seem to show some good airmanship...kept the wings level all the way to the ground

So glad I had the chance to fly on this wonderful aircraft during the last days of Templehof



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User currently offlineDAL1044 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8824 times:

Glad no lifes were lost but its always sad to see a venerable old DC-3 go down.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8693 times:

Quoting columba (Thread starter):
The famous "Rosinenbomber" Dc 3 has crashed in Berlin. It is damaged beyond repair. 7 people were injured.

http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin-aktu....html

Who says beyond repair? It looks as if the wing was torn off outboard of the attachment flange. Depending on other damage, it is actually quite possible to get a new wing and fit it.

Jan


User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8621 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 19):
Who says beyond repair? It looks as if the wing was torn off outboard of the attachment flange. Depending on other damage, it is actually quite possible to get a new wing and fit it.

well yes but that is a lot of money to put into an airplane that is 50+ years old. Don't get me wrong, I HOPE someone does pay to fix it, but I doubt it... the other issue besides money is the airplane' now tarnished structural integrity


User currently offlinelegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8473 times:

There is hope for this airframe, there is a company here in Oshkosh, WI that restores DC-3. There will be a tribute the aircraft that turns 75 this year at the EAA. They are planning on 40 DC-3's to fly into Oshkosh.
Here is a link to the article.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/96701784.html

Regards,

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8286 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 19):
Who says beyond repair?

It was first said so but apparently a spokesman of Air Service Berlin said that they will try everything to get the aircraft back into the air again. Lets keep our fingers crossed  



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1547 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7773 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 22):
It was first said so but apparently a spokesman of Air Service Berlin said that they will try everything to get the aircraft back into the air again. Lets keep our fingers crossed

As long as they've got the dataplate, they can rebuild it. The only question then becomes cost. Might be crazy high, but it can be done.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7675 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 22):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 19):
Who says beyond repair?

It was first said so but apparently a spokesman of Air Service Berlin said that they will try everything to get the aircraft back into the air again. Lets keep our fingers crossed

The DC-3 is a very simple aircraft and can be dismanteled easily into several secitions (fuselage, wing center section with the nacelles and fuel tanks, outer wings, horizontal and vertical stabilizers). It is quite possible to cannibalise another DC-3 (which e.g. suffered from corrosion in other, not needed parts) to put the aircraft back together again. An example:
The Belgians owned a DC-3, which was the royal plane of the Belgian king after WW2. Unfortunately the wing spars were badly corroded, while the fuselage, landing gear and engines were still ok. The maintenance facility of Atlantic Airways (formerly Air Atlantique) in Coventry, England, which is specialised in old aircraft, cannibalised a good wing from another aircraft, where the fuselage was badly damaged, and got it back into flying condition. These structural parts are just bolted together. Also, having looked at a picture of the removed wing, it looks to me as if the fire brigade either removed it at the attachment flange (about 300 rather small bolts) or just cut it off outside of this flange to be able to move the wreck from the accident site.
Also, don´t forget that LH Technik has a big base in SXF. They also have experience with the restoration and repair of historical aircraft (Ju-52, Me-108 and now the Superconstellation). LH Technik has an EASA Part 121 Design and manufacturing approval, this way thery can design repairs themselves.

Then the LH Technik guys at SXF are very experienced and good in tradecraft. Their sheeties can still manufacture structural parts from raw sheet metal and extrusion stock instead of just riveting factory manufactured parts into place.
In the past they have repaired several aircraft, which were already written off by the insurers as uneconimc to repair (e.g. a 737, which suffered bad ramp rash by truck, which damaged a large part of the skin as well as damaging several frames and stringers inside). Given enough time, they can fix anything.
They might also use the local LH Technik apprentice´s school for manpower, to give the apprentices a real project (under close supervision, of course). The instructors there are still oldstyle aircraft mechanics, who know their trade by heart. I know this, because I learned my trade there myself.

Jan


25 Aviopic : There is nothing to smile in a DC3 flying on 1 engine certainly not at 1000ft with 25 pax + crew on-board. If it feathers in time you can get lucky,
26 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : That reminds me of the DC-3 operated by Chinese carrier CNAC (then 45% owned by Pan Am) that was attacked by Japanese fighters while parked somewhere
27 Post contains links YVRLTN : Some great pictures here - including the impact itself. http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin-aktu...ng-Rosinenbomber-verunglueckt.html
28 maxpower1954 : As a former DC-3 pilot (about 1,000 hours) that first shot says it all. He was in the worst possible situation in this airplane. (Except an in-flight
29 Post contains links Carmelo : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YycUxzMmMaQ&feature=related
30 ImperialEagle : Did you work for PBA?
31 RayChuang : There's so many manufacturers of DC-3 replacement parts they could have have D-CXXX flying again in less than five months! Especially since if the fu
32 na : Nice picture. Is it classic technique or computer art? Btw I have recently been commisoned to illustrate LHs Ju52 and Starliner. Which I hope will fl
33 maxpower1954 : Excellent guess, but no. Air Miami and Shawnee Airlines, circa 1977-78. Initially flew De Havilland Herons, they were replaced by the DC-3s which we
34 ImperialEagle : Ah yes, 70's memories of life in Florida. I remember Shawnee and Air Miami. Seems like I used to see Shawnee in TPA. Orange and yellow color scheme?
35 SCL767 : American Airlines DC-3 Flagship Detroit may make an appearance at MIA this November. Since American Airlines' CEO Cyrus R. Smith was directly respons
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