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Dubai World Central - Opens 27th June 2010  
User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11080 times:

Finally the time has come to open the first phase of Dubai World Central/Al Maktoum International Airport located in the Jebel Ali area of Dubai.

Here are a few links on the project as well as the official website of the airport.

DWC Official website

Info on Wikipedia

27th June opening announcement


I tried to find out which cargo company will land at the airport to open it; although EK SkyCargo is probably a clear winner and at what time, but to no avail. If anyone has this info, please share it. I am definitely planning to be there for the first touchdown.   


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User currently offlineparapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1607 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 11002 times:

A very relevant posting considering the other recent active threads on EK.This is of course the next bit of the gigsaw.An airport with no "sky queues" and no "ground queues".Seamless transfers in the best possible environment.It is already working and will work in the future - as we can see from the whites of the eyes of certain national carriers!

Many airlines have sensibly accepted the inevitable and down sized with state of the art long range mid sized planes.

I can not think of a better example that a friend of mine who knows nothing about aircraft.He wanted the best flight at the best price so a southern Indian destination.He flew and changed with EK.I asked him if he went on the 380.He had not a clue other than to say it was very big,very comfortable and very quiet.Yup he did! and got the best price around.Just one of a million examples I wager.

When this World Hub fully opens the experience will be just better.

PS I do wonder whether they will build the 6 runways any time soon.4 will do quite nicely!


User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10776 times:

Quoting parapente (Reply 1):
PS I do wonder whether they will build the 6 runways any time soon.4 will do quite nicely!

As per the latest news available, the project has been scaled down to "only" 5 runways.



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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10618 times:
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Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 2):
As per the latest news available, the project has been scaled down to "only" 5 runways.

Well that's it then! That proves that the whole region is going down the pan and no one will ever buy any more A380s! *Removes tongue from cheek with pliers*

I wonder if this place would be very good for spotting with so many runways? might be rare to get an aircraft coming in on the runway you are at. A great spectacle to view from the air no doubt.

Fred


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1375 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10560 times:

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 2):
Quoting parapente (Reply 1):
PS I do wonder whether they will build the 6 runways any time soon.4 will do quite nicely!

As per the latest news available, the project has been scaled down to "only" 5 runways

Per the Wiki link provided, it states that Emirates will remain at DXB, while all other carriers will relocate to the new facility. I can't possibly see how this could happen, DXB does not have nearly the capacity needed to accomodate the future growth of EK.

I thought the idea of this massive facility was to combine all operations and ultimately close down DXB, does anyone have any insight here?

Thanks..


User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10158 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 4):
I can't possibly see how this could happen, DXB does not have nearly the capacity needed to accomodate the future growth of EK.

EK has the right to decide whether they want DXB all for themselves or move to JXB. I recall an interview with Paul Griffiths (CEO - Dubai Ariports) and Tim Clark which reported that EK will not move to JXB (if ever) before 2015.

Obviously to shift the operations of a carrier the size of EK is not an overnight task so in my personal opinion, I think the big boys are doing the right thing not to move a muscle until all of JXB is fully functional and are ready to support such a huge fleet.



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User currently offlineFauzi From Brunei, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9870 times:

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 3):

I wonder if this place would be very good for spotting with so many runways? might be rare to get an aircraft coming in on the runway you are at. A great spectacle to view from the air no doubt.

I think the case would be there will be too much plane to handle at once! I can already imagine 6 A380s landing simultaneously at all 6 runways...  

So will JXB be the world's largest integrated airport/transport city despite being fourth in physical size? I read somewhere that JXB will be the world's largest single project in terms of how much it costs.



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User currently offlineSU184 From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 239 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9809 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 4):
it states that Emirates will remain at DXB, while all other carriers will relocate to the new facility. I can't possibly see how this could happen, DXB does not have nearly the capacity needed to accomodate the future growth of EK.

Moreover, I can't imangine an airline operating at an airport all by itself, no interline passengers to other airlines, this means EK will have to fly to all and every destination, else passengers will have to change airports which is not a good idea, its already hectic when you change terminals in big airprots like CDG 1 to CDG 2


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9558 times:

Quoting SU184 (Reply 7):
Moreover, I can't imangine an airline operating at an airport all by itself, no interline passengers to other airlines, this means EK will have to fly to all and every destination, else passengers will have to change airports which is not a good idea, its already hectic when you change terminals in big airprots like CDG 1 to CDG 2

Pretty much what EK does isn't it?



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9315 times:

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 5):

EK has the right to decide whether they want DXB all for themselves or move to JXB

It would be nice if a carrier such as BA got to decide if they want LHR all for themselves and told a carrier such as VS or EK to "beat it"...  



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User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 286 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9258 times:

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 5):
EK has the right to decide whether they want DXB all for themselves or move to JXB.

EK can decide what it wants to do with it's own operations; but EK does not have the right to push all the competition out of DXB forcing then to use JXB and use DXB all for itself. The original plan was DXB for EK exclusively and everyone else at JXB.

This is clear anti competitive behavior...

It's like the UK telling EK to move out of LHR and use Stansted for all their flights, while BA has exclusivity at LHR.


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9184 times:

It´s a good decision not to move until the airport is fully operation to avoid a mess like in HKG....

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 2):
As per the latest news available, the project has been scaled down to "only" 5 runways

only five runways ....... what a shame....


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2208 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9062 times:

Another thing I found curious about JXB is that looks much further away from the city of Dubai - around 20 miles, whereas DXB is hardly 3 to 4 miles. Plus, DXB seems pretty centrally located to also cater to the likes of Sharjah and Ajman, whereas JXB is far away from everything.


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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8931 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 12):
Another thing I found curious about JXB is that looks much further away from the city of Dubai - around 20 miles, whereas DXB is hardly 3 to 4 miles. Plus, DXB seems pretty centrally located to also cater to the likes of Sharjah and Ajman, whereas JXB is far away from everything.

With the updated Sheikh Zayed Road on the Sharjah/Dubai border the time taken is not too bad. Plus the new Metro will link both airports.

Another point is that JXB is far closer to AUH as well .............

JXB is adjacent to the Jebel Ali Freezone which is a massive boost for the inbound/outbound cargo.

I understand that there will be a customs bonded road linking JXB & DXB for cargo transhipments.



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User currently offlineVivekman2006 From India, joined May 2006, 541 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8680 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 4):
Per the Wiki link provided, it states that Emirates will remain at DXB, while all other carriers will relocate to the new facility. I can't possibly see how this could happen, DXB does not have nearly the capacity needed to accomodate the future growth of EK.

I saw another terminal under construction at DXB when I was there last week. This is adjacent to Terminal 3 and is roughly the same size and shape as T-3. This looks like another terminal for Emirates - given the huge fleet of planes it has on order.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 12):
Another thing I found curious about JXB is that looks much further away from the city of Dubai - around 20 miles, whereas DXB is hardly 3 to 4 miles.

Jebel Ali is linked to Dubai city and the current DXB airport by the Dubai Metro. One can easily reach the city within 30 minutes on the Metro.

- Vivek


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8542 times:
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First, it is exciting to see airport expansion. This industry *needs* not just a few new runways, but new hubbing airports such as the planned JXB.

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 2):
As per the latest news available, the project has been scaled down to "only" 5 runways.

Do you have a link? In particular one with a sketch (model?) of the new layout?

Five runways is still massive.

Quoting MEA330 (Reply 10):
This is clear anti competitive behavior...

It's like the UK telling EK to move out of LHR and use Stansted for all their flights, while BA has exclusivity at LHR.

I keep hearing rumors onto this, but I doubt EK would do that. It would be a quick way to be kicked from FRA, LHR, and a few others. As to out to STN... If I were BA, I'd pick LTN or BHX as the 'allowed alternative.'   Don't get me started to the possible alternatives to ICN (it wouldn't be Kimpo), NRT, etc.

I suspect the move to JXB will be 'all or nothing.' It will be quite a bit of political wrangling.

Due to the credit markets and overall debt of 'Dubai inc.,' I suspect the full opening of JXB will be further off than EK would want.   Yes, I realize EK isn't 'Dubai inc.,' but DWC will have to borrow the money to expand the airport and that will be tough.

But it is good to see the expansion. I think Dubai will pull it off, just over a long timeframe than originally planned due to the nature of the credit market.

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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6722 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8489 times:

Quoting SU184 (Reply 7):
passengers will have to change airports which is not a good idea, its already hectic when you change terminals in big airprots like CDG 1 to CDG 2

I was on BES-ORY the other day, and the crew wished to passengers a good arrival or continued trip, and said that people connecting to CDG had to take their checked baggage. ORY and CDG are on opposite sides of Paris... The worst part is that there are three BES-CDG flights a day.



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User currently offlineaircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8039 times:

Excuse my ignorance on that subject, but... If EK does not use the new giant airport, who will hub from it? And if nobody hubs from there, what was it built for?

User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1385 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7815 times:

While Mr. Clarke may claim to have the "right" to decide where he wants to base EK, let us not forget who owns the shop, and that DXB sits on prime land in the centre of Dubai, real estate which can be used more profitable than hosting an aerodrome. I am sure you are all aware Dubai could well do with raising a bit of cash in return for some land.

Furthermore, a state doesn't go building a 6-runway airport with capacity for 120M people a year without the stateowned airline moving in.

So regardless of what Mr. Clarke has to say about it, JXB will be the future home of EK without any shadow of doubt, and it will become so the very second Sheikh Mo makes the decision, not Mr. Clarke.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7321 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 18):

So regardless of what Mr. Clarke has to say about it, JXB will be the future home of EK without any shadow of doubt, and it will become so the very second Sheikh Mo makes the decision, not Mr. Clarke.

I generally agree with your comments but Clarke and Flanagan do have a lot of say and input as to what EK does....they are the farthest from "rubber stamp" management...which is good. They've done a superb job making EK what it is.



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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7228 times:

Is this new airport meant to replace Dubai's existing airport?

If so I am a little mythed... Because I thought Emirates had just recently opened a Terminal for their exclusive use and this is currently being expanded for their future growth...

The know Dubai likes to be very extravagant and waste money, but surely building a new terminal that is going to see a few years use, for it later to be mothballed makes absolutely no sense!


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1385 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

giles,

It actually does, when a businessplan calls for the rate of growth Emirates does.

Simply put, DXB can't handle EK's growth until JXB is ready without a T3. Even with T3, DXB can't handle EK as it will be in around 5 years. DXB T3 is a stopgap measure, albeit a stopgap at a Dubaian levels.

You may consider it all a big waste, but consider that EK is the single biggest contributor to the GDP of Dubai, and slowing it's growth would be more expensive than building T3. Obviously, they could have build T3 to less extravagant standards, and most airports of the world would have done so, but that's not Dubai style.

I fully expect T3, and the rest of DXB, to be completly gone and replaced by a whole new ciy centre within a decade. By that time JXB will have it's 5 or 6 runways and be among the biggest airport in the world by passenger numbers. Either that, or EK and Dubai Inc. will have gone down the drains.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5974 times:
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Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 20):
If so I am a little mythed... Because I thought Emirates had just recently opened a Terminal for their exclusive use and this is currently being expanded for their future growth...

Partially answered by:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 21):
Simply put, DXB can't handle EK's growth until JXB is ready without a T3. Even with T3, DXB can't handle EK as it will be in around 5 years. DXB T3 is a stopgap measure, albeit a stopgap at a Dubaian levels.

  

To Giles:
What I would add to B777LRF's reply is that EK's profits will pay for T3 (including the added concourse) and possibly a T4 (debatable if that will be built) before JXB is ready for EK. So it is as B777LRF noted a stopgap measure. One that proved effective (in particular during the 2008/2009 downturn as EK was straddled with the expenses of building at JXB when growth was slowed).

Since the European hubs refuse to have unlimited growth, there will be some demand shifted elsewhere. For traffic going to India, Australia, China/other Asia, and some parts of Africa, EK will have a 'free ride' in acquiring that business.

DXB can only be grown to ~75 million pax a year (partially due to the need to support EK's 'banks').

EK also has a real threat. If they do not grow to meet demand, than EK and QR will grab it. There is only room for two massive hubbing airlines in the mid-east. If EK ever stops growing (other than during bad recessions), they will eventually be bypassed by their competition and then forgotten. So it is in many ways a race EK cannot stop until either QR or EY concede. Since DOH and AUH are undergoing massive expansions... this is a race that will last another decade. But EK is profitable while EY and QR are not. So it will be a balancing act. (Unfortunately for EK, the costs of building and switching to JXB is going to be tremendous and weaken them for a few years.) If EK transferes to JXB too late... EY and/or QR will gain 'mindshare' and marketshare thus hurting EK. If EK does it too early, the cost burden will weaken them too much. That move, if done well, will put Clark and Flanagan in the books next to Trippe. If done poorly, next to Rickenbacker.

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

Quoting MEA330 (Reply 10):
Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 5):
EK has the right to decide whether they want DXB all for themselves or move to JXB.

EK can decide what it wants to do with it's own operations; but EK does not have the right to push all the competition out of DXB forcing then to use JXB and use DXB all for itself. The original plan was DXB for EK exclusively and everyone else at JXB.

Isn't the IATA code for the new airport DWC? Where does the JXB code come from?


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 13):
Another point is that JXB is far closer to AUH as well .............

This airport has been planned for years and I think EK will definately move here, whether it be every operation or not.

Could EY move into JXB or is this disallowed because they are another Emitare within the UAE?
This airport is pretty much inbetween DXB city and AUH so it will have a massive impact on EY and their home hub



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25 thenoflyzone : I doubt that. DXB will be around for at least 20 years.....in the mean time, JXB will be another YMX ! All cargo, no pax ! Eventually, JXB will devel
26 AirIndia : Not from AUH.... and what they call 'new' Dubai!!! It is not a new terminal. it is Concourse 3. It will be accessible from the current terminal 3 via
27 web500sjc : so at what point do they fail, none of them will concede, and at this rate it is only a matter of time before they cant keep growing, (which seams to
28 pylon101 : It's about time. In 2000 when I was at DXB for the first time it appeared to me a wonder. And I kept going to Dubai every 2-3 years. Last year - when
29 Post contains links and images Emirates2005 : I certainly agree with your point on DXB; however JXB will be passenger operational from March 2011. Here you go... also sad news as we (the DXB lot
30 Post contains links Chiad : FI also reports: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-new-dubai-al-maktoum-airport.html
31 Post contains links and images aviationbuff : SkyCargo 777 tests new Dubai Al-Maktoum Airport http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-new-dubai-al-maktoum-airport.html
32 Post contains links Emirates2005 : Here is another link to the local Gulf News with a nice pic of the Emirates Sky Cargo 77F. Al Maktoum International airport receives first flight Am s
33 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Emirates2005 From United Arab Emirates, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 206 posts, RR: 1 Thanks for the links... "Happy Birthday" Emirates2005
34 Post contains images Emirates2005 : Thank you Sir!
35 spud757 : Connected in DXB for the first time this year between MAN-KUL-MAN. Was suprised how congested the place was. MAN-DXB had to circle for ages before lan
36 RJ111 : It's clever what they're doing. We've seen how cities in key transit locations have been historically boosted. Some examples are Istambul, Cairo, Sing
37 Post contains images lightsaber : Why do you assume that? The middle east is the fastest growing travel market. DXB/JXB is on the fast growing China to Africa route. None of the Europ
38 SurfandSnow : To be fair, all of those cities have played a key role in regional/global trade and transit for decades (or even centuries) while Dubai was little mo
39 PITrules : "World's Largest Airport" So how is this going to be the worlds largest airport as it keeps claiming itself to be? From wikipedia the largest airports
40 pylon101 : I completely agree with spud757's opinion above. He was lucky - their plane has got airbidges. Our DME-DXB-SIN proud 777-300ER didn't get it: just air
41 Post contains images Kevin777 : Absolutely agree - I cannot see DXB gone in 2020. Or at least, I can certainly not see yet another "Dubai XXX City" on the land already in 10 years t
42 RJ111 : Yes, that's my point! These cities have benefitted from their geographical location... in the age of Camel/Road/Rail/Ship. Most are logical sea/land
43 Post contains links aviationbuff : Dubai's new airport cleared to open for cargo operations http://atwonline.com/airports-routes...cleared-open-cargo-operations-0621
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