JoKeR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12217 times:
Apparently next round in Eastern Europe will include BEG, SOF and SKP, primarily to feed Oz flights, ZAG apparently also interesting to them... same A319/A320 equipment, internal source (read rumor), don't shoot the messenger.
gabrielchew From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12178 times:
Quoting ojas (Thread starter): 4. Bucharest ... 4 times a week non stop using a A319/A320 starting January 17th 2011.
5. Budapest ... 4 times a week A319/A320 via Budapest also starting January 17th 2011.
I assume that Budapest operates via Bucharest?
It's nice to see some more QR flights. I actually started a thread a few months ago asking why none of the Gulf carriers were flying to HKT - now QR have decided to do so - great! Although the routing via KUL is a bit out of the way.
frigatebird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12178 times:
I wonder if AMS is playing a role in future expansion plans for QR. EK has finally started it, EY is said to be interested, but I really don't know about QR... I have flown them once, as a part of a package deal from a tour operator including a trip to Nepal. Had to go to LHR with BMI first, that was the only setback in an otherwise very nice trip.
AABB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11762 times:
What a big week for QR: the launch of DOH-GRU-EZE on 24 June and today's expansion announcement of the above listed cities. One has to wonder when QR when expand into an additional North American city...
gardermoen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11684 times:
Intirgued by Phuket!
Qatar Airways seems to go for many secondary Asian ports (such as Denpasar and Cebu which I imagine could not that be that high yielding).
Interesting that Emirates has never looked at these ports yet.
I can see QR going for Surabaya, and I am surprised why none of the Gulf majors havent already done so. Besides being Indonesia's second largest city, it is also a large industrial city with absolutely no airlinks outside of Asia (last tried by KLM with AMS-SIN-SUB service in the 1990s)
ojas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11563 times:
Quoting AABB777 (Reply 9): One has to wonder when QR when expand into an additional North American city...
QR on many occasions haveOther than BRU all other flights are a continuation from an existing QR destination. OTP-BUD will be mostly be on an A319/A320.
Quoting gardermoen (Reply 10): Qatar Airways seems to go for many secondary Asian ports (such as Denpasar and Cebu which I imagine could not that be that high yielding).
According to a some Bali is supposed to be a high yielding holiday destination, so it might not be low yielding exactly. Also Cebu has a backing of good O-D traffic to Phillipines, But then I cannot tell exactly how the yields are.
airbuseric From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11441 times:
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 7): BRU is becoming a large *A hub or at least for airlines closely associated with Star such as QR. Maybe thats why they chose BRU over AMS, although I suspect that will still be on the radar.
Indeed I guess you're right and QR decides to fly to *A airports. QR already had received slots at AMS to operate a daily A330 flight from DOH, but it seems they won't use it now and BRU is getting this traffic.
SQ_EK_freak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11223 times:
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3): It's nice to see some more QR flights. I actually started a thread a few months ago asking why none of the Gulf carriers were flying to HKT - now QR have decided to do so - great! Although the routing via KUL is a bit out of the way
I'd imagine HKT is a pretty low yielding route, and especially when you consider that it's being tagged on to KUL, which is another historically low yielding route in itself. I'd imagine that KUL has a good amount of bulk traffic but HKT doesn't have the links Malaysia does with the Gulf, nor does it have foreign laborers, so I'm assuming this route is geared for Europeans traveling to HKT?
Quoting EwRkId (Reply 5): They are very smart to have those A320's and A319's as they get the job done and don't have an ALL WIDEBODY fleet like some others
Yep! This really has allowed QR to expand well to secondary markets, and they seem to have done well with this strategy given that a. they continue to aggressively expand and b. they have upgraded several markets they initially served with the narrowbody Airbus fleet to widebodies.
Quoting ojas (Reply 6): However, it will be interesting to see if they have 5th rights on all 7 days or only on selected days similar to SIN - DPS.
I didn't even know the DPS tag was dropped! I thought they had moved it over to KUL? Is that what caused the demise of the route?
Quoting gardermoen (Reply 10): I can see QR going for Surabaya, and I am surprised why none of the Gulf majors havent already done so
Yeah I was talking about that with some crew the other day, especially given that there seem to be a good amount of Indonesian workers out here in the Gulf from Surabaya. We agreed that if the route was to be started, QR would be the most likely one to do so first, with EY being the least likely.
Quoting ojas (Reply 11): According to a some Bali is supposed to be a high yielding holiday destination, so it might not be low yielding exactly. Also Cebu has a backing of good O-D traffic to Phillipines, But then I cannot tell exactly how the yields are.
Yeah Cebu to me would be huge for the back end of the aircraft, but very light in the premium cabins. I spoke to a friend who flies with QR and she said that CEB routinely goes out full, but with upgrades in the Business cabin. That said, I'd think that EK's two class A332's would be well suited for the route direct from DXB. I wish they started the route - the MNL flights are a joy to work because Filipinos are dream passengers and I'd love a layover in a beautiful beach city like Cebu
planenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10310 times:
Its interesting to note the different strategies that QR and EK have taken in their route developments.
EK has relatively few tag routes or fifth freedom. Mopst are in Southeast Asia or trans-Tasman. But emphasis has always been on non-stop routings to take full advantage of the DXB hub.
QR seems to be relying on tag ons and fifth freedom opportunites to increase yield and pax numbers.
It will be interesting to see which strategy is most successful.
kaitak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10214 times:
Quoting planenutz (Reply 19): It will be interesting to see which strategy is most successful.
Interesting observation; I guess QR's aim is to get the most bang for their buck; they probably recognise that the local demand (i.e. DOH-HKT/HAN) is relatively low, so they want to get the most possible traffic. I think the key difference in the strategies, however, is that (on European routes anyway), QR is starting with smaller aircraft - 319s and 320s, then gradually working up to larger types and then de-linking the routes. The use of smaller aircraft is significant in that it means that QR can get into markets which neither EY nor EK can get into; thus, QR can build these markets at their own pace. Given the expansion plans of the three major Gulf carriers, this is significant, because sooner or later they're going to step on each others' toes on more and more routes. The more established QR can become on routes like ARN, BRU (surprised that they are the first of the three to fly there) BUD in Europe and Vietnam, the more difficult it will be for other carriers to come in against them.
Currently, there is a jump from the 319/320 to the 332, but from next year, of course, QR can move to the 787 and it will be interesting to see how the economics of this aircraft give it a competitive edge in establishing new routes.
I can see QR moving to establish other new routes where the competition from the other two isn't as strong (or isn't there at all) ... EDI, OSL, HEL, ZAG, TRN, LBA, for example.
incitatus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10047 times:
Quoting planenutz (Reply 19): QR seems to be relying on tag ons and fifth freedom opportunites to increase yield and pax numbers.
Simply because QR does not have the scale of EK. EK has the preferred strategy. QR cannot, at this point, afford EK's strategy. QR's strategy being successful means moving to a network more similar to EK's.
SurfandSnow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9445 times:
Excellent news! This wave of expansion combines a nice mix of high-end leisure markets (HKT, NCE) with an established business/gov't center (BRU) and up-and-coming business/VFR markets (HAN, OTP, BUD). A nice balance of new destinations for this airline. They finally seem to be pushing to be the first entrant of the big 3 Gulf carriers rather than following the lead of EK and EY...
: Just an addition, the KUL-DPS tag-on was dropped on 1 January 2010 and shifted to SIN as SIN-DPS. On the same day as well, QR dropped its SIN-CGK tag
: This might seem logical as Bucharest is almost within a straight line path from DOH as BUD. However, why not start A320 services to both destinations
: In the future yes, however QR has grand plans and the press releases indicate there is a shortage of a/cs. Hence the tag on and in the future de-link
: Are they planning on refurbushing their entire narrow body airbus fleet or only those dedicated to longer routes? What does this refurb include?
: The refurbished A320s mean having PTV's with AVOD (something which very few airlines have) ..... and the Y seats similar to the ones in A330/B777 and
: Is HKT really a high end leisure market? I'd be very skeptical of saying that. Nice is obviously a high yielding holiday destination. I flew on one o
: HKT is quite an interesting move. I often fly to BKK for business purposes and looked for reasonable connections to HKT (to extent my business trip an
: I wonder why no non-EU airline is allowed to collect passengers to and from MXP. I see the same situation for SQ on their MXP-BCN flights.
: You mean they had slots for twice daily 330 service... However EK beat QR and I doubt they'll start pax flights to AMS anytime soon. They even reduce
: Maybe also the airport slots? They are still using the old airport one with one runway that they have to share with the army (just a few planes but s
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: With or without *A, I can tell you EY enjoys some very high load factors in BRU. And yields keep improving from what I've heard. We were close to be u
: HKT and DPS are now both increasingly high-yield. How I wish QR would just do DOH-DPS direct, likewise to HKT. You have lots of luxury resorts in thes
: Do you have figures to back that up? I'm not doubting your statement, just that there are a lot of places that have five star accommodations that are
: I'm sure it will happen in time, as with other destinations currently served on a one-stop basis. As soon as HKT, DPS, HAN and others are able to sus
: Yes the airport is crowded, but they are building a new Arrival Hall in the airport and the current terminal will be used exclusively for Departures.