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QR Announces 6 New Routes: HKT,HAN,NCE,OTP,BUD,BRU  
User currently offlineojas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12393 times:

QR will announce the following new routes over a 4 month span beginning October 2010.

1. Phuket ....Daily flight via KUL starting October 11th. Aircraft expected to be an A330.

2. Hanoi ... 4 weekly flights via BKK starting Nov 1. Aircraft should be a B77W. Also SGN will go up from 4 weekly non stop to daily non stop.

3. Nice .. 3 times per week via MXP starting November 24th. Aircraft should be a A330.

4. Bucharest ... 4 times a week non stop using a A319/A320 starting January 17th 2011.

5. Budapest ... 4 times a week A319/A320 via Bucharest also starting January 17th 2011.

6. Brussels .. 5 times a week non stop starting January 31st .. might be started with a A330.

Among the above destinations, NCE and BRU are the only destinations which have EK/EY operating. NCE has EK and BRU has EY.

Also, BKK - HAN, KUL - HKT, MXP - NCE, OTP-BUD seem to be the tag routes. It will be interesting to know on how many of them QR manages to get 5th freedom rights.

http://www.moodiereport.com/document.php?c_id=40&doc_id=24489

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User currently offlineJoKeR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12217 times:

Apparently next round in Eastern Europe will include BEG, SOF and SKP, primarily to feed Oz flights, ZAG apparently also interesting to them... same A319/A320 equipment, internal source (read rumor), don't shoot the messenger.

User currently offline9MMAR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12215 times:

Daily KUL-HKT! That's a really good news especially after QR dropped their KUL-DPS tag-on on 1 January 2010 earlier.

User currently offlinegabrielchew From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12178 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
4. Bucharest ... 4 times a week non stop using a A319/A320 starting January 17th 2011.

5. Budapest ... 4 times a week A319/A320 via Budapest also starting January 17th 2011.

I assume that Budapest operates via Bucharest?

It's nice to see some more QR flights. I actually started a thread a few months ago asking why none of the Gulf carriers were flying to HKT - now QR have decided to do so - great! Although the routing via KUL is a bit out of the way.


User currently offlinefrigatebird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12178 times:

I wonder if AMS is playing a role in future expansion plans for QR. EK has finally started it, EY is said to be interested, but I really don't know about QR... I have flown them once, as a part of a package deal from a tour operator including a trip to Nepal. Had to go to LHR with BMI first, that was the only setback in an otherwise very nice trip.

User currently offlineEwRkId From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12074 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 1):
same A319/A320 equipment, internal source (read rumor), don't shoot the messenger.

They are very smart to have those A320's and A319's as they get the job done and don't have an ALL WIDEBODY fleet like some others  


User currently offlineojas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12074 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
I assume that Budapest operates via Bucharest?

Yes, it was a typo. I've corrected it.

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 2):
That's a really good news especially after QR dropped their KUL-DPS tag-on on 1 January 2010 earlier.

However, it will be interesting to see if they have 5th rights on all 7 days or only on selected days similar to SIN - DPS.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 4):
I wonder if AMS is playing a role in future expansion plans for QR.

AMS is on their radar, but nothing officially announced yet.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12076 times:

BRU is becoming a large *A hub or at least for airlines closely associated with Star such as QR. Maybe thats why they chose BRU over AMS, although I suspect that will still be on the radar.

User currently offlinehardiwv From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11958 times:

On Fiday QR starts DOH-GRU-EZE B772 daily, bringing the airline to Latin America and two major emerging markets.

Rgs,


User currently offlineAABB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11762 times:
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What a big week for QR: the launch of DOH-GRU-EZE on 24 June and today's expansion announcement of the above listed cities. One has to wonder when QR when expand into an additional North American city...

User currently offlinegardermoen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11684 times:

Intirgued by Phuket!
Qatar Airways seems to go for many secondary Asian ports (such as Denpasar and Cebu which I imagine could not that be that high yielding).
Interesting that Emirates has never looked at these ports yet.
I can see QR going for Surabaya, and I am surprised why none of the Gulf majors havent already done so. Besides being Indonesia's second largest city, it is also a large industrial city with absolutely no airlinks outside of Asia (last tried by KLM with AMS-SIN-SUB service in the 1990s)


User currently offlineojas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11563 times:

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 9):
One has to wonder when QR when expand into an additional North American city...

QR on many occasions haveOther than BRU all other flights are a continuation from an existing QR destination. OTP-BUD will be mostly be on an A319/A320.

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 10):
Qatar Airways seems to go for many secondary Asian ports (such as Denpasar and Cebu which I imagine could not that be that high yielding).

According to a some Bali is supposed to be a high yielding holiday destination, so it might not be low yielding exactly. Also Cebu has a backing of good O-D traffic to Phillipines, But then I cannot tell exactly how the yields are.


User currently offlineQatarA340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11489 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
1. Phuket .... will be served via KUL starting 11 october daily flights

2. Hanoi ... 4 weekly via BKK starting Nov 1

3. Nice .. 3 times per week starting Nov 24 via MXP

4. Bucharest - Budapest .... 4 times a week in January 2011

5. Brussels .. 5 times a week starting january 31

Very impressive! I didnt expect that for this year! I guess SYD keeps on going father and farther away.

With 6 787s and the new airport coming up next year, it looks impressive!


User currently offlineairbuseric From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11441 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 7):
BRU is becoming a large *A hub or at least for airlines closely associated with Star such as QR. Maybe thats why they chose BRU over AMS, although I suspect that will still be on the radar.

Indeed I guess you're right and QR decides to fly to *A airports. QR already had received slots at AMS to operate a daily A330 flight from DOH, but it seems they won't use it now and BRU is getting this traffic.


User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11223 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
It's nice to see some more QR flights. I actually started a thread a few months ago asking why none of the Gulf carriers were flying to HKT - now QR have decided to do so - great! Although the routing via KUL is a bit out of the way

I'd imagine HKT is a pretty low yielding route, and especially when you consider that it's being tagged on to KUL, which is another historically low yielding route in itself. I'd imagine that KUL has a good amount of bulk traffic but HKT doesn't have the links Malaysia does with the Gulf, nor does it have foreign laborers, so I'm assuming this route is geared for Europeans traveling to HKT?

Quoting EwRkId (Reply 5):
They are very smart to have those A320's and A319's as they get the job done and don't have an ALL WIDEBODY fleet like some others

Yep! This really has allowed QR to expand well to secondary markets, and they seem to have done well with this strategy given that a. they continue to aggressively expand and b. they have upgraded several markets they initially served with the narrowbody Airbus fleet to widebodies.

Quoting ojas (Reply 6):
However, it will be interesting to see if they have 5th rights on all 7 days or only on selected days similar to SIN - DPS.

I didn't even know the DPS tag was dropped! I thought they had moved it over to KUL? Is that what caused the demise of the route?

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 10):
I can see QR going for Surabaya, and I am surprised why none of the Gulf majors havent already done so

Yeah I was talking about that with some crew the other day, especially given that there seem to be a good amount of Indonesian workers out here in the Gulf from Surabaya. We agreed that if the route was to be started, QR would be the most likely one to do so first, with EY being the least likely.

Quoting ojas (Reply 11):
According to a some Bali is supposed to be a high yielding holiday destination, so it might not be low yielding exactly. Also Cebu has a backing of good O-D traffic to Phillipines, But then I cannot tell exactly how the yields are.

Yeah Cebu to me would be huge for the back end of the aircraft, but very light in the premium cabins. I spoke to a friend who flies with QR and she said that CEB routinely goes out full, but with upgrades in the Business cabin. That said, I'd think that EK's two class A332's would be well suited for the route direct from DXB. I wish they started the route - the MNL flights are a joy to work because Filipinos are dream passengers and I'd love a layover in a beautiful beach city like Cebu  


User currently offlineojas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11114 times:

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 14):
I didn't even know the DPS tag was dropped! I thought they had moved it over to KUL? Is that what caused the demise of the route?

DPS is still there .. just shifted from DOH - KUL - DPS 5pw to DOH - SIN - DPS daily. However, earlier from KUL and now from SIN, QR has 5th rights to DPS on just 4 days of the week.

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User currently offlineAirMale From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10868 times:

BUD-OTP-DOH? Well, already their VIE flights are not so much a sucess, still operated by narrowbody aircraft. Now bringing BUD online means even less passengers for VIE?

It will be interesting to see how the BUD route developes.


User currently offlineojas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10608 times:

Here are the schedules:

1) Phuket:

Starting 11th October QR 622/623 & QR 624/625 which cover 7 of the 11 weekly DOH - KUL flights.

QR 622 DOH - KUL 0835 2100 Tu, We, Fr, Su
------- KUL - HKT 2210 2225 Tu, Fr, Su

QR 624 DOH - KUL 0150 1420 We, Fr, Sa
------- KUL - HKT 1540 1555 We, Fr, Sa

QR 623 HKT - KUL 0005 0235 Mo, We, Th, Sa
------- KUL - DOH 0345 0610 Mo, We, Sa

QR 625 HKT - KUL 1735 1955 Th, Sa, Su
------- KUL - DOH 2105 2350 Th, Sa, Su

Aircraft will be A330-300. 6 out of 7 KUL - HKT flights will have 5th rights

2) Hanoi:

By adding HAN QR will go triple daily to BKK

QR 614 DOH - BKK 0045 1130 Mo, Tu, Fr, Sa
------- BKK - HAN 1230 1415 Mo, Tu, Fr, Sa

QR 615 HAN - BKK 2325 0120 +1 Mo, Tu, Fr, Sa
------- BKK - DOH 0235 0600 Tu, We, Sa, Su

Aircraft: A330-300

Full 5th freedom rights

3) Bucharest/Budapest:

Starting 17th January 2011.

QR 943 DOH - BUH 0815 1220 Mo, We, Fr, Sa
------- BUH - BUD 1320 1345 Mo, We, Fr, Sa

QR 944 BUD - BUH 1500 1725 Mo, We, Fr, Sa
------- BUH - DOH 1825 2355 Mo, We, Fr, Sa

Aircraft: A320
No 5th rights at all

4) Brussels:

Starting 31st January 2011

QR 941 DOH - BRU 0735 1245 Ex- Sa, Tu
QR 942 BRU - DOH 1535 2355 Ex- Sa, Tu

Aircraft: A330-200

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User currently offlineAABB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10540 times:
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Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 12):
Very impressive! I didnt expect that for this year! I guess SYD keeps on going father and farther away.

QR's CEO has stated in the past that Perth is higher up on the list of Australian cities to be served than SYD.


User currently offlineplanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10310 times:

Its interesting to note the different strategies that QR and EK have taken in their route developments.
EK has relatively few tag routes or fifth freedom. Mopst are in Southeast Asia or trans-Tasman. But emphasis has always been on non-stop routings to take full advantage of the DXB hub.

QR seems to be relying on tag ons and fifth freedom opportunites to increase yield and pax numbers.

It will be interesting to see which strategy is most successful.


User currently offlinekaitak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10214 times:

Quoting planenutz (Reply 19):
It will be interesting to see which strategy is most successful.

Interesting observation; I guess QR's aim is to get the most bang for their buck; they probably recognise that the local demand (i.e. DOH-HKT/HAN) is relatively low, so they want to get the most possible traffic. I think the key difference in the strategies, however, is that (on European routes anyway), QR is starting with smaller aircraft - 319s and 320s, then gradually working up to larger types and then de-linking the routes. The use of smaller aircraft is significant in that it means that QR can get into markets which neither EY nor EK can get into; thus, QR can build these markets at their own pace. Given the expansion plans of the three major Gulf carriers, this is significant, because sooner or later they're going to step on each others' toes on more and more routes. The more established QR can become on routes like ARN, BRU (surprised that they are the first of the three to fly there) BUD in Europe and Vietnam, the more difficult it will be for other carriers to come in against them.

Currently, there is a jump from the 319/320 to the 332, but from next year, of course, QR can move to the 787 and it will be interesting to see how the economics of this aircraft give it a competitive edge in establishing new routes.

I can see QR moving to establish other new routes where the competition from the other two isn't as strong (or isn't there at all) ... EDI, OSL, HEL, ZAG, TRN, LBA, for example.


User currently offlineojas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10173 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 20):
BRU (surprised that they are the first of the three to fly there)

Small correction: EY already flies a daily A332 to BRU.


User currently offlinekaitak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10143 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 21):
Small correction: EY already flies a daily A332 to BRU.

Oops sorry - didn't notice that one!


User currently offlineincitatus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10047 times:

Quoting planenutz (Reply 19):
QR seems to be relying on tag ons and fifth freedom opportunites to increase yield and pax numbers.

Simply because QR does not have the scale of EK. EK has the preferred strategy. QR cannot, at this point, afford EK's strategy. QR's strategy being successful means moving to a network more similar to EK's.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

Excellent news! This wave of expansion combines a nice mix of high-end leisure markets (HKT, NCE) with an established business/gov't center (BRU) and up-and-coming business/VFR markets (HAN, OTP, BUD). A nice balance of new destinations for this airline. They finally seem to be pushing to be the first entrant of the big 3 Gulf carriers rather than following the lead of EK and EY...

25 9MMAR : Just an addition, the KUL-DPS tag-on was dropped on 1 January 2010 and shifted to SIN as SIN-DPS. On the same day as well, QR dropped its SIN-CGK tag
26 QatarA340 : This might seem logical as Bucharest is almost within a straight line path from DOH as BUD. However, why not start A320 services to both destinations
27 ojas : In the future yes, however QR has grand plans and the press releases indicate there is a shortage of a/cs. Hence the tag on and in the future de-link
28 smi0006 : Are they planning on refurbushing their entire narrow body airbus fleet or only those dedicated to longer routes? What does this refurb include?
29 ojas : The refurbished A320s mean having PTV's with AVOD (something which very few airlines have) ..... and the Y seats similar to the ones in A330/B777 and
30 SQ_EK_freak : Is HKT really a high end leisure market? I'd be very skeptical of saying that. Nice is obviously a high yielding holiday destination. I flew on one o
31 Post contains images Andie007 : HKT is quite an interesting move. I often fly to BKK for business purposes and looked for reasonable connections to HKT (to extent my business trip an
32 akhmad : I wonder why no non-EU airline is allowed to collect passengers to and from MXP. I see the same situation for SQ on their MXP-BCN flights.
33 LJ : You mean they had slots for twice daily 330 service... However EK beat QR and I doubt they'll start pax flights to AMS anytime soon. They even reduce
34 gr09 : Maybe also the airport slots? They are still using the old airport one with one runway that they have to share with the army (just a few planes but s
35 Flying Belgian : With or without *A, I can tell you EY enjoys some very high load factors in BRU. And yields keep improving from what I've heard. We were close to be u
36 FCAFLYBOY : HKT and DPS are now both increasingly high-yield. How I wish QR would just do DOH-DPS direct, likewise to HKT. You have lots of luxury resorts in thes
37 SQ_EK_freak : Do you have figures to back that up? I'm not doubting your statement, just that there are a lot of places that have five star accommodations that are
38 kaitak : I'm sure it will happen in time, as with other destinations currently served on a one-stop basis. As soon as HKT, DPS, HAN and others are able to sus
39 QatarA340 : Yes the airport is crowded, but they are building a new Arrival Hall in the airport and the current terminal will be used exclusively for Departures.
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