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User currently offlineflavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

To the AA experts out there, I have about a couple of questions about the fleet utilization.

According to the AA website under 'Fleet Profile'(from May 2009) it states that AA has 81 737 and 272 MD-80. According to Wikipedia AA now has a fleet count of 119 737 and 252 MD-80. This is a net gain of 18 aircraft.

My question is why have we not seen some sort of expansion with these aircraft? For those that say AA has added frequencies I disagree. If AA was fully utilizing these planes they would need more pilots and F/As to staff them. It is about 16 pilots per plane, so AA would need almost 300 pilots alone. Since AA has not called back any pilot this year then one must assume that AA has a lot of plane sitting idle everyday. Does not seem to be a smart business plan?

Is this possible these airplane will be saved for the well rumored "fall expansion?" Or will AA park a bunch of MD-80's at the end of the year?

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User currently offlinessides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Quoting flavio340 (Thread starter):
According to the AA website under 'Fleet Profile'(from May 2009) it states that AA has 81 737 and 272 MD-80. According to Wikipedia AA now has a fleet count of 119 737 and 252 MD-80. This is a net gain of 18 aircraft.

Just because there is a "net gain" in aircraft doesn't mean AA is flying all of its aircraft. Its well known that the MD-80s are being phased out in favor of the 738s. What is probably happening is that AA has taken some MD-80s out of service, but hasn't made that "official" or hasn't disposed of them.

Plus, the Wikipedia source is airfleets.net -- if you look here, it shows that 100 of AA's MD-80s are in storage.



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

35 pilots are transitioning from AE to AA in the end of June. After that there have been rumors of AA recalling the 80 pilots they furloughed back in February (?).


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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1074 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting flavio340 (Thread starter):
To the AA experts out there, I have about a couple of questions about the fleet utilization.

According to the AA website under 'Fleet Profile'(from May 2009) it states that AA has 81 737 and 272 MD-80. According to Wikipedia AA now has a fleet count of 119 737 and 252 MD-80. This is a net gain of 18 aircraft.

My question is why have we not seen some sort of expansion with these aircraft?

Remember, during that period, the entire A300 fleet (34 aircraft) has been parked. In many cases, the new 738’s have replaced 757’s which in turn have replaced A300’s. In other cases, A300’s have been replaced directly by 738’s and increased frequencies.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 2):
35 pilots are transitioning from AE to AA in the end of June. After that there have been rumors of AA recalling the 80 pilots they furloughed back in February (?).

Why would they let pilots transition from AE before they recalled pilots on furlough?



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1074 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 4):
Why would they let pilots transition from AE before they recalled pilots on furlough?

They were ordered to do it by an arbitrator a few months ago. It was because of quite a complex dispute between ALPA, APA, AA and Eagle and you can read the full details on this blog, if you are interested -:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...rbitrator-tells-american-airl.html



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

Quoting flavio340 (Thread starter):
According to the AA website under 'Fleet Profile'(from May 2009) it states that AA has 81 737 and 272 MD-80. According to Wikipedia AA now has a fleet count of 119 737 and 252 MD-80. This is a net gain of 18 aircraft.

AA currently has 128 737s in active service (75 in the old configuration and 53 in the new configuration) and 248 active MD80s (all in the now-standardized 140-seat configuration).


User currently offlineflavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 6):

Thanks Commavia for the update!! Looks like they are up to 27 additional aircraft, they had what 34 Airbus A300. Only 11 more aircraft to go before they reach their 2009 aircraft totals. If they continue to to add more than they are parking then some growth should occur.

Are they still taking two a month?

If so, it would give them the airplanes need for next years growth of the well rumored "Fall Expansion."


User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Don't forget all new 737s require 4 FAs instead of 3 and the "older" 737s are in the process of being converted so they will also require 4 FAs per flight.

Additionally, didn't some FAs volunteer for some form of decreased hours to avoid additional furloughs? I would think that this also provides a source of extra work hours to be filled before brining additional staff back on line.


User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2283 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 8):
Additionally, didn't some FAs volunteer for some form of decreased hours to avoid additional furloughs?

Yes. There were two options provided to help alleviate/minimize furloughs. The first were 'overage leaves', that is, flight attendants willing to stay grounded anywhere from one month to a year. The next option offered was 'partnership flying' where two flight attendants share one schedule, ie, they agreed to part time flying. That was for a period of six months to one year.



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