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Why No US Airlines In Middle East?  
User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4182 times:
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Why are there no US carriers in the middles east. As far as i know, on Continental serves Tel aviv and cairo and TWA serves cairo i think (correct me if i'm wrong). But what about places like Bahrain, Riyadh, Dubai, possibly Kuwait aswell. Why doesn't someone like UA, AA or delta serve these cities through a connection in europe like Paris or Frankfurt maybe?

Any ideas?

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Arsenal@LHR


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User currently offlineA330_DTW From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

TW did fly to RUH, via CAI, I think.
NW and KL serve every destination in the Middle East: AMM, BEY, CAI, DXB, DOH, SAH...

With all the alliances out there, it makes more economic sense to feed the partner out of Europe and into the Middle East.


User currently offline767-322ETOPS From United States of America, joined May 2001, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

Delta goes to Tel Aviv and Cairo.

User currently offlineDelta73Spilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

And we started Dubai as well!

User currently onlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33083 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

TWA still flies to Cairo and Riyadah (JFK-CAI-RUH). Delta flies to Tel Aviv and this summer to Cairo and Dubai. Continental flies to Tel Aviv and maybe Cairo. American does not fly to the Middle East but codeshares with Gulf Air on MIA-LHR-BAH (MIA-LHR operated by AA, LHR-BAH buy Gulf).


a.
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

Delta starts TLV service today, and CAI and DXB service starts on the 16th, thus making Delta the largest carrier to the Middle East.

Jeff


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

I don't believe CO has any service to CAI, but does have 777 service to Israel. Delta began its MD11 Israel service today, and will add the NY to Cairo to Dubai route soon. American will acquire TW's NY to Cairo to Riyadh route in the coming years.

rgds
russ


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Safety, more than likely, a terrorist will either shoot or put a bomb in the cargo hold of a North American airliner. It is too risky safety wise.
rgds,
blink182



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineAmerican_4275 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1076 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Blink182,

I found that comment of yours extremely offensive and I think you should have more common sense than that. It's also totally false and personally I don't appreciate the fact that you're pulling things out of no where just because you've seen too many movies. My family happens to be from the Middle East and would never touch a bomb or gun. We're not all terrorists. Next time mind your words.

American_4275


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6225 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

Blink 182 thats a very ignorant comment. Thats a very close minded statement you just made. Arab people happen to be very hospitable and friendly .
Chepos
Puerto Rico



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineIshky15 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 717 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

American will axe TWA's service to Tel Aviv when they acquire the miserable airline, and Cairo might be on the chopping block as well. Delta begins daily MD-11 service from New York to Tel Aviv and Cairo, continuing on to Dubai. Continental used to fly double daily 777 service to TLV but dropped the early evening flight from EWR. That flight will most likely reappear when market conditions warrant. They are also looking very closely at services to Cairo, and 767-400ER service would not be a surprise over the next five years.

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6225 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

I also forgot to mention that Arab women are beautiful .
Chepos
Puerto Rico



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineAmerican_4275 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1076 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

You have good taste my friend.

 Laugh out loud

American_4275


User currently onlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33083 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

Ishky, currently, American Airlines has no plans to axe JFK-CAI-RUH. In fact, they realsed a press realease stating that they will not discontinue the popular flight handled by TW. Also, we forgot to mention that DL flies JFK-IST daily, though, technically, Istanbul is more Europe than the Middle East. AA codeshares with Turkish on MIA-IST, JFK-IST, and ORD-IST (14 flights a week between TK's three US destinations; 7x JFK, and 7x ORD/MIA depending on season (MIA is 3x during winter, 2x during summer)). As for new Middle Eastern routes, well, there isn't much. The biggest destination is TLV, and that market is pretty well served. Problem is, all the service is from JFK*! Why? How about AA starting thrice-weekly 777-200 service on MIA-TLV or ORD-TLV? They would have the market practically to themselves (though LY flies both MIA-TLV and ORD-TLV, but both via JFK), and they have the connections. Miami has America's second largest Jewish population and America's wealthiest Jewish population as well, plus, AA has no presence what so ever in Isreal (they had plans, what happened?). At ORD, AA would have strong connecting and O&D traffic, especially connecting traffic from the West. At MIA, the flight could practically survive on O&D alone, but there are also the connections it could get from Buenos Aires, with one of the world's largest Jewish populations (and there is still no non-stop service between EZE and TLV, nor any other Latin city, if I'm not mistaken). I think DL has some big plans for the Middle East if everything works with JFK-TLV and JFK-CAI-DXB. But why the MD11? I love the MD11, but a 772 would be better fit.


a.
User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

American_4275, Chepos,

Blink182 may have worded it a little bit too harshly, but he does make a valid point. US State Department forbids American carriers from flying into many Middle East nations due to uncertainty of security standards in the region. Don't take it the wrong way- no one's saying that all Arabs are terrorists.

Consider this warning from US State Department on travel to Lebanon;
"American air carriers are prohibited from use of Beirut International Airport (BIA) due to continuing concern about airport and aircraft security arrangements."
http://travel.state.gov/travel_warnings.html


User currently offlineBaec777 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

Continental, Delta & TWA are 3 only US carriers that flies to Israel... Not sure why no other countries not getting any US Carrier to fly there... ! I am wishing American, United, & NWA should fly to Israel, and other countries like Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc..

Baec777  Smokin cool


User currently offlineHisham From Lebanon, joined Aug 1999, 701 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Security at Beirut airport is as good as any place else. Actually, the extent of the security checks is really annoying. Only passengers can get to check-in area. They are checked before getting there. Then they are checked again before clearing customs. In both cases, they have very modern x-ray machines.
There hasn't been a single security incident for at least 10 years.

Hisham.


User currently offlineSju-lax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3842 times:

Imagine for a moment an American 777-200 landing at Beirut airport. The large AMERICAN titles, with the American flag and eagle on the tail would be an absolute joke. It would definetely not be a welcomed sight. I know its 2001, but the US is still seen as many county's nemisis. TWA and Pan Am would get away with flying to exotic, stereotypically terrorist-friendly regions like Algiers, Lebanon, Iran and the like. These airlines were global carriers and not seen as flag carriers. Today, American is seen as the flag carrier just because of what it looks like. People see the flag, the silver, the eagle and it represents everything United States. Some places just aren't ready for that yet.

User currently offlineR.I.P TWA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

I would imagine that part of the problem is that more conservative Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc...do not allow women to wander around without covering many parts of their bodies. Women WILL be arrested on site if they are seen breaking one of these laws. Therefore US carriers probably would not want the added stress of having to train their FAs in Arab customs (or using only males, which would be agaisnt the law in the US) just so they won't be arrested. My mom, a TWA FA, is going to Cairo next week, and they don't usually get off the plane for the CAI-RUH segment. But if they get stuck there, the women have to wear veils upon leaving the hotel. Just not worth the aggravation I suppose. Plus, to be honest, most americans don't really see the Middle East as a vacation spot, and there are plenty of Middle Eastern carriers to handle the Business demand (TLV, CAI aside).

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

While, Blink182's comment was a little harsh and far-reaching, one must remember that the region harbors strong strong anti-American sentinment.

Khobar Towers, TWA hijacking, Beiruit Marine barracks, Pan Am 103, World Trade Center, Aden Harbor, German disco.....the list is endless

Sadly, there is really a very poor relationship between many Arab countries and a country commonly reffered to as the "Great Satan", the US.

Perhaps, because of the US' support and recognition of Israel, but whatever the reason may be, the middle east and the US still have very cool relations.

PS: Arab women are beautiful and Emirates' uniform is the finest I've ever seen.

rgds
russ


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

A few years ago, GF used to operate from the Gulf (AUH, BAH and I believe DOH) to JFK via LCA and on particular flights continuing to IAH. All these flights were operated by the 340. Does anyone know if any such flights are to resume and if so is it likely that an American airline would operate the flights?


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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6225 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3790 times:

R.I.P TWA I was talking to a TWA f/a that had gone on the CAI-RUH segment and in Cairo some women dont wear Hijaabs. She was allowed to to walk around the streets of Cairo Hijaab less and without a problem . She really liked Egypt and thought of it as a wonderfull country. Saudi Arabia is another story, that is strict and women are ordered to wear Hijaab and a great deal of them wear Burqa's . And going on to Kuwait , Kuwait is strict but women in Kuwait arent ordered to wear veil , I have a classmate that happens to be a girl and from Kuwait and she tells me that she didnt use a veil back in Kuwait, and that she really enjoyed living in Kuwait. Actually the Kuwait Airways f/a uniform isnt really conservative at all compared to those of SV or Iran Air.
Chepos
Puerto Rico



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineHisham From Lebanon, joined Aug 1999, 701 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

Sju-lax you're an ignorant idiot. I guess you're imagining crowds getting angry and running towards the aircraft with an American flag to destroy it, millions and millions of them. But if there is no flag they won't notice, right?

I'm not even going to try to prove you're wrong. Your imagination is much more powerful than my arguments.

Hisham.



User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

when did this start? how often 763?

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

R.I.P. TWA,

I hardly think it is that much of a big deal for FA's to have to wear hebayas/veils etc.

The FA's of BA & all the other European carriers that serve RUH, don't make such a big deal about it-because it isn't.

I am not surprised that "US carriers probably would not want the added stress of having to train their FAs in Arab customs", given US airlines don't seem to have much in the way of "service".

Is it that difficult to train FA's to have good manners?  Insane

There are many American women living in Riyadh-they go shopping, they go to the movies & they generally have a good time-they must place their hebayas on before going out-but it's no big deal.

I'm not trying to get at you, but some people sometimes make a big deal out of nothing-they are not difficult laws to abide by-and that's coming from me, who thinks all religions are fairy-tales.

BTW, even I have to wear trousers  Insane Big grin

Rgds,
CP



25 Dutchjet : I think that we are getting a bit off-base here; the airlines and airports are capable of handling high-security situations; if you ever travel betwee
26 ContinentalEWR : Delta has just begun flights to Tel Aviv, Cairo, and Dubai from JFK, all with MD-11 aircraft. Continental flies daily from Newark to Tel Aviv and TWA
27 Clipperhawaii : The sad fact is that flying to Middle Eastern Countries remains a "calculated risk" for all American Flag Carriers. Just ask any Director of Flight Op
28 Post contains images KWI : hi all, R.I.P TWA stated that women in Kuwait had to cover themselves whenever they are outdoors. i would like to clarify that that is NOT ture. women
29 Twaneedsnohelp : Qatar too. I believe Qatar is fairly progressive in regards to how women are treated etc.... In fact, my school, Cornell, is opening a branch its medi
30 Passenger : LOL because a big silver plane with the world AMERICAN painted on the side of it is like having the words BLOW ME UP NOW plastered on it. Any U.S. air
31 Tupolev154B2 : Given the strong anti-American sentiment among Arabs, I believe that the risks are too high...
32 VirginA340 : PAN AM was a target in the middle east becuase of the words PAN AM were on the fusalage. Remmeber that even though the anti american sentamate is quit
33 Post contains images Airmale : Pan Am used to fly to Istanbul,Tehran and Riyadh, while TWA served Kuwait and/or Bahrain
34 Kevin : KWI: I do not think so! I have been to Kuwait I know. A woman wearing micro mini skirt in Kuwait would be directly caught by police or security servic
35 R.I.P TWA : Dutchjet- Never said it was a big deal to have to dress in a certain way, but companies, especially airlines, have to insure against everything. Can y
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