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BA 777-300 T5 Ground Testing.  
User currently offlineLhrRampRats From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 54 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18046 times:

Next week British Airways will be training its BA ground staff on 777-300 T5 ground operations by
placing a 777-236, 33 feet or 10 metres further back than the 777-200 ground markings.
As BA load and unload their aircraft by parking all the cargo and baggage at the back of the stand,
proving trials are required seeing the 300 series greater length to confirm safe operations for all
servicing vehicles inc: baggage, loading, toilet service, catering, fueling and engineering.
BA's first 773 routes are planned to be ORD and DXB.

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User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17647 times:

Quoting LhrRampRats (Thread starter):
BA's first 773 routes are planned to be ORD and DXB.

I thought BOM and/or DEL were supposed to be among the first routes as well?


User currently offlineLhrRampRats From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17337 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
I thought BOM and/or DEL were supposed to be among the first routes as well?

I could be wrong but speaking to someone involved in the ground op's trials he said ORD and DXB.
Both these routes have a very high load factor (particularly in cargo, youd be surprised!!) and are serviced
by 763, 772, and 744 so i would suppose the extra cargo unit space the 300 offers would make an ideal start to life!!


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6728 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16087 times:

Any carriers who BA have alliances / agreements operating 777-300's into LHR with a long layover, would having BA staff observe their operations or actually help be more helpfull until they actually get the real thing?

User currently offlineBlueF9A320 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15254 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 3):
Any carriers who BA have alliances / agreements operating 777-300's into LHR with a long layover, would having BA staff observe their operations or actually help be more helpfull until they actually get the real thing?

They should just borrow an A346 from Iberia and test with that. Both aircraft are almost the same length that the difference would be negligible.  

I kid, I kid...



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User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13483 times:

Quoting BlueF9A320 (Reply 4):
They should just borrow an A346 from Iberia and test with that. Both aircraft are almost the same length that the difference would be negligible.  

Why IB when VS's A346 is so much closer   hahah, I can't wait to see the 773 in BA colors should be pretty cool!!!


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13401 times:

The first flight of the first 773ER (G-STBA) is on the 21 August 2010 as BA107 to DXB.

Then the aircraft will operate as follows from that date until the end of the S10 timetable (Until 31 OCT 10. This is subject to change if the aircraft is tech or suffers a lengthy delay.

Monday

No Flight Scheduled

Tuesday

BA257/BA256 (LHR/DEL/LHR)

Wednesday

BA297/BA296 (LHR/ORD/LHR)

Thursday

BA107/BA106 (LHR/DXB/LHR)

Friday

BA139/BA138 (LHR/BOM/LHR)

Saturday

BA107/BA106 (LHR/DXB/LHR)

Sunday

BA139/BA138 (LHR/BOM/LHR)

From the start of the W10/11 timetable (31OCT10) the second aircraft is added to the timetable. From that date the 773ER's will operate as follows:

BA139/BA138 (LHR/BOM/LHR) - Daily
BA107/BA106 (LHR/DXB/LHR) - Tuesday to Sunday (Daily from 20th December)

If the aircraft is delayed or has a tech problem a Hi-J 744 (14F/70J/30W/185Y) will be used to operate in the 773's (14F/56J/44W/183Y) place.


User currently offlineby188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11404 times:


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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11066 times:

Quoting by188b (Reply 7):

Cant wait 

She looks fantastic..


User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3596 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10466 times:
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Quoting par13del (Reply 3):
Any carriers who BA have alliances / agreements operating 777-300's into LHR with a long layover, would having BA staff observe their operations or actually help be more helpfull until they actually get the real thing?

I'm sure BA has already observed and got a tour of their OW partners' 77W ground handling at LHR. JAL's daily flight is a 77W and is on the ground for nearly 3 hours. Cathay also sends the 77W to LHR a few times each week.


User currently offlineadh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8614 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 6):
Then the aircraft will operate as follows from that date until the end of the S10 timetable (Until 31 OCT 10. This is subject to change if the aircraft is tech or suffers a lengthy delay.

So how does the pilot rotation work on this? On Tuesday, a group of pilots flies the aircraft to DEL and (I assume) another group of pilots flies it back to LHR. So what happens to the pilots left in DEL? Do they fly back to LHR on Wednesday on a 772? Are the pilots trained to fly both 77w and 772?

I find this type of stuff interesting and I figure folks on this board would be able to explain it. Thank you for your help.

Andrew


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8546 times:

Quoting adh214 (Reply 10):
So how does the pilot rotation work on this? On Tuesday, a group of pilots flies the aircraft to DEL and (I assume) another group of pilots flies it back to LHR. So what happens to the pilots left in DEL? Do they fly back to LHR on Wednesday on a 772? Are the pilots trained to fly both 77w and 772?

I guess there is very little difference in Cockpit, if any between the 772 and 773, so it may be common rated, maybe a refresher to get used to the size of the 773.


User currently offlinecv990Coronado From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8208 times:
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Not much difference in the pax numbers between the 773 and the 744 in hi J. Interesting that the premium economy has been increased at the expence of business class, a sign of the economic times probably. I hope we see them in Cape Town.


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User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2167 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8184 times:

It is common rated, a short differences cause qualifies the crews to fly both under the same type rating.

User currently offlinetheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7274 times:

Quoting adh214 (Reply 10):
So how does the pilot rotation work on this? On Tuesday, a group of pilots flies the aircraft to DEL and (I assume) another group of pilots flies it back to LHR. So what happens to the pilots left in DEL? Do they fly back to LHR on Wednesday on a 772? Are the pilots trained to fly both 77w and 772?

I presume that the 772 will operate on the other days so the pilots will just fly one of those back.


User currently offlineLhrRampRats From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7115 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 9):
I'm sure BA has already observed and got a tour of their OW partners' 77W ground handling at LHR. JAL's daily flight is a 77W and is on the ground for nearly 3 hours. Cathay also sends the 77W to LHR a few times each week.

You would think so but BA ground ops use completely different equipment and alot more service vehicles than these airlines so BA would not get an accurate and fair test for the way they operate on the ground. for example where cargo is brought out to JAl or CX a/c on lorries BA use a Terberg tug and dollies, take em to the back of stand and leave the dollies there so with all this extra equpiment BA would have to use during the test it would disrupt the turnaround of the JAL or CX a/c if given to BA for trials.


User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

Talking of type ratings, how much difference is there from a pilot's perspective between the different 777 models (-200, -200ER, -200LR, -300, -300ER, -F) ? The cockpits are essentially identical, right, except for the camera screens in the -300s?).

Are pilots typically type-rated for individual variants or do they have an overall 777 license?


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3930 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6944 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 6):
The first flight of the first 773ER (G-STBA) is on the 21 August 2010

Well actually it flew its B1 test flight on 22 June.


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 889 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 17):
Well actually it flew its B1 test flight on 22 June.

I think he meant first flight for BA



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User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6640 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 18):
Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 17):
Well actually it flew its B1 test flight on 22 June.

I think he meant first flight for BA

There is always one......... Tristarsteve I meant revenue flight.........

Quoting cv990Coronado (Reply 12):
Not much difference in the pax numbers between the 773 and the 744 in hi J. Interesting that the premium economy has been increased at the expence of business class, a sign of the economic times probably. I hope we see them in Cape Town.

Nothing to do with the sign of the times it's just because the J cabin will run just aft of the door 2 galley to the bulkhead just before door 3 in the space BA can put in 56 CW seats. The reason another row cant be added to the CW cabin is because of the overwing exit.

BA have actually removed two rows in WT to add a extra row of WTP seats. This is because BA have seen year on year a increase in yields and a increase in load factor in it's WTP cabins.

BA are planning to increase the percentage of WTP seats available on it's aircraft by fitting the new aircraft on order with less WT seats. Infact its planned that when the 787-800's finally arrive that they will be configured 42J/51W/90Y.


User currently offlinecv990Coronado From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6619 times:
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GSTBA Thanks for the Info

I have found WTP has become more popular maybe at the expense of J or maybe pax wanting something better than WT but can't or won't pay for J. WTP is really what club was in the early 1980's



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3596 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6535 times:
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Quoting LhrRampRats (Reply 15):
You would think so but BA ground ops use completely different equipment and alot more service vehicles than these airlines so BA would not get an accurate and fair test for the way they operate on the ground. for example where cargo is brought out to JAl or CX a/c on lorries BA use a Terberg tug and dollies, take em to the back of stand and leave the dollies there so with all this extra equpiment BA would have to use during the test it would disrupt the turnaround of the JAL or CX a/c if given to BA for trials.

You can still learn a lot just by observing how other carriers with the same type set up their servicing equipment. Equipment such as loaders, catering, cleaning, fueling, and lav service vehicles would all be positioned pretty much in the same areas at the aircraft. You can then get a good idea of how much space you have to move around and park ULDs.


User currently offlinesteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6503 times:

Quoting adh214 (Reply 10):
Are the pilots trained to fly both 77w and 772?

A BA 777 Senior First Officer told me his licence actually specified the 777-300 rather than the -200......

Anyway, I'm booked on her to DXB in October - woo hoo.............



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User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6488 times:

Quoting cv990Coronado (Reply 20):
GSTBA Thanks for the Info

I have found WTP has become more popular maybe at the expense of J or maybe pax wanting something better than WT but can't or won't pay for J. WTP is really what club was in the early 1980's

WTP seems to attract the leisure pax who want a bit of extra room or as you said those pax who cant afford the cost of a J tickets. I am 6ft 4 and have travelled in WTP on a number of occassion and I personally dont find it very comfortable. Sometimes its more comfy down the back if there is a free seat next to you.

That may all change though a G-STBA will be the first aircraft embodied with the new WTP. No pics about of it yet but I have heard that either the WT or WTP seat is a hard shell seat. Which will bring to a end the thoughts of dread if someone puts there seat back


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 3829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 23):
I have heard that either the WT or WTP seat is a hard shell seat.

Does anyone know if a new Y-class is coming with the -300?


25 LhrRampRats : Not really no. I dont think you realise how we load BA a/c. The stand absolutely swells with equipment and action, much much more than other ground h
26 nibog : LhrRampRats,very interesting,and speaking as a one of those travellers who spends their time watching all of the activity around an aircraft,(forgive
27 eicvd : They are those baggage bins.
28 GSTBA : It will be just J that is not fitted with a new seat. What I meant by my last post was thet both WT- World Traveller and WTP - WorldTraveller plus wi
29 LhrRampRats : TT is basically a large low loader vehicle which BA use on the ramp to transport Cargo Pallets and AKEs from ground dollies to elevator on a/c on dep
30 Post contains images sunrisevalley : Very helpful, thanks for taking the time!. Your post made me search out the BA website on ULD's and stowage plans for each type in the fleet. What an
31 Post contains images nibog : Very helpful indeed LhrRampRats,thanks for going to that bother,not a day goes past you don't learn something new,and now when I am next back in LHR
32 bastew : Heres a little more info on the 773 cabin: Pax Capacity 299. 14F, 56J, 44W, 185M. Crew: 13 Cabin Crew in total. 3 in FIRST. 5 in Club. 5 for WTP, WT.
33 Sketty222 : The new seats are made by Recaro so I assume they will be hard shell Thanks for this bastew, I had a look at the crew booklet (on powerpoint) the oth
34 Post contains links Gulfstream650 : Video of the 773 here at Cardiff on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-1awUoYmjM
35 Aleksandar : The plane looks lovely in BA livery, but I always wonder why they waited for so long to buy them.
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