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Former DL/NW DC-9s For Sale?  
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

Hey all,

I was wondering who is responsible for the sales/leases of all of those DC-9's in the desert that DL parked since they bought NW? Any help would be grateful, as my Travel Agency is looking to buy 1 or 2 of them for charter flights.


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
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User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10072 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Thread starter):
my Travel Agency is looking to buy 1 or 2 of them for charter flights.

Good on them, it's like buying the Honda of the airplane world, it may be old but it'll last for another 20 yrs!



"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1696 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10058 times:
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Quoting WesternA318 (Thread starter):
Hey all,

I was wondering who is responsible for the sales/leases of all of those DC-9's in the desert that DL parked since they bought NW? Any help would be grateful, as my Travel Agency is looking to buy 1 or 2 of them for charter flights.

Contact Delta. They're all owned.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 7533 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10059 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Thread starter):
I was wondering who is responsible for the sales/leases of all of those DC-9's in the desert that DL parked since they bought NW?

DL should be since they own them.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9887 times:

I am sure DL would gladly sell them since most of them will just be scraped or sit in the desert.


"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1918 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9774 times:

NW/DL has sold a few of them over the years if I'm not mistaken.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9115 times:

Thanks everyone! Now, who at Delta do I call?


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9059 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 5):
NW/DL has sold a few of them over the years if I'm not mistaken.


No doubt all to parts dealer, then scrappers.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 6):
Thanks everyone! Now, who at Delta do I call?


Go to a DL airlines corporate website(NOT DELTA.COM). Hopefully you can get a real person to answer. Ask that person your interest and he/she should direct you to proper department.
safe



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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8065 times:

Quoting isitsafenow (Reply 7):
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 5):
NW/DL has sold a few of them over the years if I'm not mistaken.


No doubt all to parts dealer, then scrappers.

Hardly, I believe that USA Jet has one, if not a few others that are active. I also believe a few have gone to Africa.

FX1816


User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1077 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

This thread reminds me of an Eastern advertisement from 1977 selling it's 14 Electras currently now on Ebay. I love the guy kicking the nosewheel tire! Russ Farris

http://cgi.ebay.com/EASTERN-AIRLINES...efaultDomain_0&hash=item5d26c86018


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1696 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7579 times:
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Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 5):
NW/DL has sold a few of them over the years if I'm not mistaken.

The last recorded sale was in November 2009, as 17 DC-9-30's were sold to Wells Fargo Bank NW Trustee (on behalf of some company). Nearly all of these were at Marana when the sale went through - and I believe none of the aircraft have moved since.

And beforehand, yes, NWA sold DC-9's in little batches here and there.


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6075 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7536 times:
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Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 5):
NW/DL has sold a few of them over the years if I'm not mistaken
Quoting isitsafenow (Reply 7):
No doubt all to parts dealer, then scrappers.
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 8):
Hardly, I believe that USA Jet has one, if not a few others that are active. I also believe a few have gone to Africa.

USA Jet has several ex NW DC-9s, at least the -10 models. Some for parts some for flying. I know N197US, N196US, N163US and N208US were Hughes birds at one time. I would imagine that they flew for NW.

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YIP May 2010.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

Wow, all those aree old junkers for scrap, eh?


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7009 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Thread starter):

You guys have several million in cash just wanting to burn..? Must be nice. It will cost that much just to get them back in the air in flying condition. Then certification, parts, training...etc..etc..



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 6711 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 13):
You guys have several million in cash just wanting to burn..? Must be nice. It will cost that much just to get them back in the air in flying condition. Then certification, parts, training...etc..etc..

Good point.

I wonder how much it would cost just to buy a 40+ year old DC-9-30 from Delta? Less than a million?


User currently offlinecrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1866 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

A few have showed up at (SFB) Sanford Orlando Airport this past week.....one N8925E dates back to 1967! Sadly its most likely a one way trip for scrapping....

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 13):
You guys have several million in cash just wanting to burn..? Must be nice. It will cost that much just to get them back in the air in flying condition. Then certification, parts, training...etc..etc..

The best thing about my Travel Agency is that it caters only to the luxury/higher end market and a stellar credit rating. Financing has been pretty easy to come by, as we are ponying up about 80% of the start-up financing. Not to mention, starting Summer 2011, my Agency will co-brand a series of charter flights with Homeric Tours out of NYC to Athens, Greece using their new 767-300ER, and with Abercrombie & Kent on another series of luxury charters.

The DC-9's I'm looking at will be for a series of semi-luxury charters from Houston to various gambling cities in the US and Canada (something like what Casino Express/Xtra Airways is doing), and from Salt Lake City to various points in the West and Midwest.



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5954 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 13):

You guys have several million in cash just wanting to burn..? Must be nice. It will cost that much just to get them back in the air in flying condition. Then certification, parts, training...etc..etc..

Exactly. Just because you can get them cheap doesn't mean you are necessarily going to operate them cheap. Maintenance/regulations on aging aircraft is getting tougher and tougher every year. I fly old airplanes for a living and it's a headache.

Honestly you are better off leasing a 737NG or something along those lines. It's going to be more reliable and you will have a ton more support from just about everyone that will be involved in your venture.

Actually, to be honest, I wouldn't do anything with aviation if I had money to burn. You are ahead of the game if you have anything right now, cut and run.



Too lazy to work, too scared to steal!
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5838 times:

Quoting Tb727 (Reply 17):
Exactly. Just because you can get them cheap doesn't mean you are necessarily going to operate them cheap.

We've done the cost analysis, and believe me, the DC-9's are only a stopgap measure to get us in the air before we find a more permanent replacement.



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1696 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5813 times:
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Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 18):
We've done the cost analysis, and believe me, the DC-9's are only a stopgap measure to get us in the air before we find a more permanent replacement.

If you're all about the higher end clientele, why don't you go find out if the ex-Legend DC-9-30's are still available? A few of them are flying in Africa and they may still be in the all-executive configuration. There was also one in TUS at Hamilton Aviation several months ago with engines removed but by all looks airworthy. No cost in ripping out the interior.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 19):
If you're all about the higher end clientele, why don't you go find out if the ex-Legend DC-9-30's are still available? A few of them are flying in Africa and they may still be in the all-executive configuration. There was also one in TUS at Hamilton Aviation several months ago with engines removed but by all looks airworthy. No cost in ripping out the interior.

We've thought of that, and there was 2 of them up for sale that we found, but one had some corrosion issues, so we might look at that for spares, but I doubt that.



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineAvconsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5750 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 20):
We've thought of that, and there was 2 of them up for sale that we found, but one had some corrosion issues, so we might look at that for spares, but I doubt that.

Are you guys going ot place them on someone Operations Certificate or do it yourself?


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5724 times:

Quoting Avconsultant (Reply 21):
Are you guys going ot place them on someone Operations Certificate or do it yourself?

We thought of finding someones dormant certificate, but then changed our minds and decided to do it ourselves.



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineatpcliff From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

Hi!

It's VERY TIME CONSUMING and TONS of paperwork to get an AOC and start up a flying organization! Using USA Jet would probably be a LOT cheaper and for SURE a LOT easier!

I'm currently flying an ex-TWA DC-9-33. It was last from STL and sat in the desert for about 9 years.

cliff
LFW



TRY. It's all you have control over, and it's what God wants.
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5634 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 16):
The best thing about my Travel Agency is that it caters only to the luxury/higher end market and a stellar credit rating.

....and those types will NOT want to fly on a 40 year old run down former airliner with an old worn out interior.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
25 falstaff : Doesn't USA jet have a VIP DC-9? I was told they did. That MD-80 they fixed up for U2 is a real good looker on the inside, from what I hear. Sure, bu
26 WesternA318 : Now THERE'S some DC-9's I wouldnt mind looking at. Any idea who owns them or their 727 counterparts if there are any still in flying condition?
27 sunking737 : Wells Fargo Salt Lake deals in aircraft. SY had one or two of their 737-800 through them. Check with Evergreen Air Center in AZ.
28 WesternA318 : I'll have to look them up, might be interesting.
29 Post contains links sunking737 : Check out this web site Speed News.......... http://www.speednews.com/EquipmentRe...ch=Aircraft&Aircraft=DC-9&Type=-32 http://www.speednews.co
30 Avconsultant : Interesting notice the last item says it's -17/-17A engins. I thought the DC-9 topped out at the -15 egines. The VIP configured 727 with 57 & 60
31 Tb727 : Yeah jeez, that would be a rocket. They are probably de-rated.
32 WesternA318 : I always thought this too. Indeed, it would!
33 Avconsultant : Speaking of rockets and DC-9's, in the mid-90's ValuJet picked up 2 or 3 DC-9-21 from SAS to operate their BOS to Florida service. They ran a recover
34 WesternA318 : Reminds me of TWA's 717's. Talk about power!
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