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AS Announces SJC/OAK-LIH Starting March, 2011  
User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 875 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4273 times:
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More Hawaii for AS....Here's the link!

http://www.alaskasworld.com/NEWS/2010/06/25_Hawaii.asp

Tomas SJC


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User currently offlineCGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4225 times:
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This announcement is vaguely reminiscent of CO's announcement of 787 routes way ahead of time. I wonder what might preclude this route from starting sooner? Definitely outside-the-box thinking going on here.

Best of luck to AS

~CGKings317  



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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

Yeah this is an extremely early announcement. Perhaps it coincides with A/C deliveries. We have two -800s scheduled to be delivered next January and one in February.

User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Quoting CGKings317 (Reply 1):
Best of luck to AS

Nice flights but the times suck.....who wants to get there at 10pm and return to the Bay Area in the morning? Nothing like getting to Poipu or Princeville/Hanalei at midnight.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Alaska...ew-prnews-1807993242.html?x=0&.v=1


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4088 times:
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Quoting CV880 (Reply 3):
Nice flights but the times suck.....who wants to get there at 10pm and return to the Bay Area in the morning? Nothing like getting to Poipu or Princeville/Hanalei at midnight.

Same times that AS currently operates SEA-LIH.


User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

[quote=n7371f,reply=4]Same times that AS currently operates SEA-LIH.


About 2.5 hours later from the Bay Area and if You've ever driven to Princeville at night, it does make a difference. If one is on a 7day vacation, in reality it's only 6 days when the flight arrivals/departures are factored in. UA's skeds from SFO are far better.


User currently offlineCGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3860 times:
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Quoting CV880 (Reply 3):
Nice flights but the times suck.....who wants to get there at 10pm and return to the Bay Area in the morning?

Those people who are flying this route as part of mileage-runs....     

~CGKings317  



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2879 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

Quoting CV880 (Reply 3):
Nice flights but the times suck.....who wants to get there at 10pm and return to the Bay Area in the morning?

Folks who want to work a full day before leaving for Hawaii and avoid taking a redeye to get back home...



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3823 times:
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It probably isn't so...but it seems like AS is basing a 737-800 out at LIH and it will be flying alternately between OAK and SJC. My guess is that at either SJC and/or OAK, the aircraft gets swapped out. Good to see AS increasing their Hawaii market share.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

Whoohoo..this is great to hear! I'm glad to see AS continuously focusing on SJC-especially after AA has basically decided to AAbandon it....  


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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 875 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3599 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 8):
but it seems like AS is basing a 737-800 out at LIH and it will be flying alternately between OAK and SJC. My guess is that at either SJC and/or OAK

SJC a/c turns around and goes back to LIH ...so it will probably get swapped out in OAK or return from LIH on the SEA redeye.

Quoting CV880 (Reply 3):
Nice flights but the times suck.....

The outbound SJC-LIH will have some feed from AUS, BOI, SMF, GEG and PDX.



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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 10):
The outbound SJC-LIH will have some feed from AUS, BOI, SMF, GEG and PDX.

That's good for helping the bottom line, but Costco/Walmart closed b4 arrival, and who wants to land in Paradise in the dark.  

(send it out to LIH in the morning like OGG.)


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3542 times:
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
Whoohoo..this is great to hear! I'm glad to see AS continuously focusing on SJC-especially after AA has basically decided to AAbandon it....
Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 10):
The outbound SJC-LIH will have some feed from AUS, BOI, SMF, GEG and PDX.

I agree with you, 150%, Jacob    !

I know this is another whole can of worms, but it would be great to see AS start a flight or two on SJC-ORD. This market can definitely use at least a couple of extra flights since, UA cut their ORD nonstops, AA only goes twice daily and WN once. This would give AA extra feed and allow AS to get a decent yield where AA can't because of their high operating costs (think AUS-SJC & SEA).


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3334 times:
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Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 10):
LIH on the SEA redeye.

Didn't AS get rid of the redeye flight and made it morning departure out of LIH at around 8am?

I think the next steps in terms of AS building its Mainland-Hawaii empire are SMF-KOA/LIH alternating, SAN-KOA/LIH alternating and seasonal ANC-KOA. Other options, depending on demand, are additional frequencies above the flights they already have. I had seen ATA fly the OAK-HNL up to 3X daily...didn't last very long, however.

I'm still holding out for ITO. ATA made it a go at it from OAK (but connected to WN flights). Could AS make SEA-ITO work on 3X or 4X weekly basis?


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 12):
I agree with you, 150%, Jacob !

I know this is another whole can of worms, but it would be great to see AS start a flight or two on SJC-ORD. This market can definitely use at least a couple of extra flights since, UA cut their ORD nonstops, AA only goes twice daily and WN once. This would give AA extra feed and allow AS to get a decent yield where AA can't because of their high operating costs (think AUS-SJC & SEA).

As long as the prices are basically the same and/or competitive, it shouldn't be too much of a problem-I don't think however AS/AA will compete. AS has more than enough routes it can fly to out of SJC.....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 875 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3264 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 13):
Didn't AS get rid of the redeye flight and made it morning departure out of LIH at around 8am?

Yep, you're so right...I hadn't looked at the LIH schedule for awhile. Looks like the LIH will have 2 RON A/C then.

Quoting CV880 (Reply 11):
(send it out to LIH in the morning like OGG.)

Hopefully that will be the case out of SJC eventually. Maybe with some more staff and the increase in Gates with the move to Term. B. The current morning schedule out of SJC has us hoppin'.

0630 SEA 0700 PDX 0730 OGG/KOA 0855 AUS 0930 SEA 0945 SMF-BOI 1030 PDX and 1110 GEG.

[Edited 2010-06-26 08:55:14]


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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3206 times:
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Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 15):
Hopefully that will be the case out of SJC eventually. Maybe with some more staff and the increase in Gates with the move to Term. B. The current morning schedule out of SJC has us hoppin'.

0630 SEA 0700 PDX 0730 OGG/KOA 0855 AUS 0930 SEA 0945 SMF-BOI 1030 PDX and 1110 GEG.

SJC hasn't seen so much AS/QX presence since AS started flying there period. I remember when SJC just had a few flights to PDX and SEA with 727-200, 727-100 and 737-200 equipment, with some 1X daily flights to SoCal, including PSP, ONT and BUR.

When AS absorbed Jet America, did they do the high-frequency, California Dreamin' flights between SJC and BUR, SNA and ONT (I think) using the Jet America planes? I know they had them at OAK. High frequency for AS at that time was 6X to 8X daily.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3083 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 15):

Hopefully that will be the case out of SJC eventually. Maybe with some more staff and the increase in Gates with the move to Term. B. The current morning schedule out of SJC has us hoppin'.

I would rather see them @ Terminal-A and work more closely with AA..  



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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 875 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 2944 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 16):
When AS absorbed Jet America, did they do the high-frequency, California Dreamin' flights between SJC and BUR, SNA and ONT (I think) using the Jet America planes

Just a few flights. From a Jun 88 AS Tmetable..... SJC to BUR 3x daily, LGB 1x a day, ONT 2x daily in addtion to PDX 3x daily and SEA 3 x daily.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
I would rather see them @ Terminal-A and work more closely with AA..

Well at least now with the move to B, there will be no more having to clear security again with an AA/AS connection. Just a really long walk!  

Tomas Sjc

[Edited 2010-06-26 11:44:55]


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User currently offlinesjc30l From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 2881 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 18):
Well at least now with the move to B, there will be no more having to clear security again with an AA/AS connection. Just a really long walk!

I'm hoping that moving walkways get installed at some point in the future if there are funds available. It is a really long walk.

Looking forward to checking out the Terminal B preview/open house later this afternoon.

SJC30L


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2739 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 16):
JC hasn't seen so much AS/QX presence since AS started flying there period. I remember when SJC just had a few flights to PDX and SEA with 727-200, 727-100 and 737-200 equipment, with some 1X daily flights to SoCal, including PSP, ONT and BUR.

When AS absorbed Jet America, did they do the high-frequency, California Dreamin' flights between SJC and BUR, SNA and ONT (I think) using the Jet America planes? I know they had them at OAK. High frequency for AS at that time was 6X to 8X daily.

They also flew SJC-LGB! Those were the days. LGB was very different then as well.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13612 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2662 times:
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Quoting laca773 (Reply 20):
They also flew SJC-LGB! Those were the days.

SFO-LGB and OAK-LGB, but I don't remember SJC-LGB, just SJC-ONT and SJC-LAX.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2645 times:
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Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 21):
SFO-LGB and OAK-LGB, but I don't remember SJC-LGB, just SJC-ONT and SJC-LAX.

I'm so sorry you don't remember. I did two roundtrips on SJC-LGB. I wish I had known about SJC-LAX as I would have taken that much more often of course if they had good schedules.


User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Alaska Airlines is a good example of responding to market changes, competition and finding its own way. AS has pulled out of the California comuter market and reinforced its Seattle hub and began Hawaii service. It was a good call to carve out a presence in the West Coast Mexico Market. Bravo Alaska!

User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Beg my pardon here because I just don't know AS very well and I realize that the 738 can reach the Hawaii Islands from the west coast, however, would it not help AS to have 8 to 12 767 or T7's to operate flights to the Islands? Or is the LF percentage at such a level that these a/c would not be wise? I also realize that AS has only 737 a/c with Horizon operating the Q-400's.


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
25 ASFlyer : Alaska used to fly SJC-PVR and SJC-SJD, in addition to JC-PSP. Horizon has flown SJC-BOI for years and used to fly SJC-TUS.
26 wedgetail737 : The 73H's seem to work wonderfully for AS. Some naysayers would say that AS operating at a loss on the West Coast-Hawaii routes. If that were true, t
27 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I guess its not too bad then...at least there isn't clear of security. Regardless, it would have been nicer to have them both under one "roof" so-to-
28 YXwatcherMKE : Thanks For the insights! D @MKE
29 wedgetail737 : As much as I would like to see AS obtain some 739-ER's and even some 736's, I don't think it'll happen. But you never know in this industry.
30 laca773 : Perhaps AS might be happier with the performance of the 739ERs as they haven't been thrilled with the standard 739s.
31 Bluewave 707 : Alaska's use of the 73H is perfect for Neighbor Island - mainland flights, especially from OAK & SJC.
32 wedgetail737 : That's not restricted to SJC and OAK...but add SAN, SMF, PDX and ANC to that list. IMHO, I think AS could use larger equipment on the SEA-Hawaii rout
33 Post contains images CGKings317 : I think the next logical HI route should be PDX-LIH at least seasonally. Perhaps have it paired with some additional SEA-LIH flights. Par exemple, op
34 SANFan : Not quite; remember QX is adding 4 daily LAX-SJC flights in August and I can see them adding some more new routes within California in the future. In
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