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AA Out Of BOS-SFO/AUA/STT  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12018 times:

American Airlines will end Boston-San Francisco on November 17th and not re-start seasonal Boston-Aruba nor Boston-St. Thomas service this winter. Will be loaded in GDS shortly.

This is undoubtedly part of AA's network refocus, which will essentially see the significant majority of its route network centered around just six airports: Dallas, JFK, LaGuardia, LAX, Miami, O'Hare.

November 18th will be a major schedule change date for AA, so I would look for a lot of changes on that date to be loaded over the next few weeks.

The remaining AA network out of Logan is: Chicago, Dallas, London, Los Angeles, Paris, Providenciales, San Juan and Santo Domingo; with Eagle to JFK, LaGuardia, Raleigh and Toronto.


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User currently offlineDLHFLYER From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11944 times:

Man. That focus city is a shell of its former self.

One reason to merge with a strong east coast carrier
US Airways   



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11916 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
November 17th and not re-start seasonal Boston-Aruba nor Boston-St. Thomas service this winter. Will be loaded in GDS shortly.

Not surprised about these cuts; especially BOS-AUA since B6 operates the route. Great to know that AA will continue to fly BOS-PLS, but that's a given due to AA's big presence in that market. Hopefully AA will continue to increase MIA-Caribbean frequencies this winter.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11884 times:

Quoting DLHFLYER (Reply 1):
Man. That focus city is a shell of its former self.

One reason to merge with a strong east coast carrier
US Airways

Everybody's Boston focus city is a shell of its former self.

Delta and US Airways have hacked Boston just as much, if not more.

US AIrways mainline is down just to hubs, Las Vegas and Caribbean, while Express is mainly just EAS cities along side BUF/ROC/RIC/PIT/MDT.

Delta mainline is just hubs and some vacation destinations. Not even TPA and RSW are year-round, and PBI and FLL are gone. And Connection has dwindled even further, cutting around 20-25 routes in the past three years or so.

Boston just became an LLC playground and the majors have retreated.



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User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11882 times:

Wow. AA leaving BOS-SFO is very shocking but I guess they can't compete effectively against Virgin America. I think AA needs to start finding ways to compete more effectively against jetBlue and Virgin America. They cannot simply abdicate from routes. Gradually, the competition will start eating the routes where AA is still making money...what are they going to do then?

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11832 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):
Great to know that AA will continue to fly BOS-PLS,

Gone too. But DFWPLS is back. And DFWBGI is added 3x weekly, which is totally out of left field.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11808 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):

Boston just became an LLC playground and the majors have retreated.

If people want LCC service then they shouldn't complain if they lose services to certain cities/destinations-cities which many LCC"s won't touch. SJC is a prime example of that.

Quoting VS11 (Reply 4):
I think AA needs to start finding ways to compete more effectively against jetBlue and Virgin America.

Fortunately AA has started to work quite a bit with B6, hopefully that will expand...

What's interesting is AA is going down from 2 B757's to zero flights on SFO-BOS...  



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11777 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Gone too. But DFWPLS is back. And DFWBGI is added 3x weekly, which is totally out of left field.

That's great for DFW. DFW-BGI is really not out of left field, IMO. The route will help tourism in Barbados . Finally, AA is mixing it up a bit!


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11748 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
DFW-BGI is really not out of left field, IMO. The route will help tourism in Barbados

Somebody must be paying for it, because there's minuscule demand for BGI outside of Florida and NYC. That's more than DFWNAS in some months, so I'm assuming it's a guarantee.



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User currently offlinedfambro From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11701 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
American Airlines will end Boston-San Francisco on November 17th

Wow, I know a lot of BOS based AA FFs that are going to be really upset! That's a common route for me (mostly UA, some VX, rarely AA) and the flights are usually pretty full and often oversold. I have a bad feeling that fares will be going up on that route.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11681 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
DFW-BGI is really not out of left field, IMO. The route will help tourism in Barbados

Somebody must be paying for it, because there's minuscule demand for BGI outside of Florida and NYC. That's more than DFWNAS in some months, so I'm assuming it's a guarantee.

This is a growing trend in the Caribbean and nothing new. The Barbados Tourism Authority provided revenue guarantees to GOL, which launches GRU-BGI tomorrow!


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11540 times:

Quoting VS11 (Reply 4):
Wow. AA leaving BOS-SFO is very shocking but I guess they can't compete effectively against Virgin America. I think AA needs to start finding ways to compete more effectively against jetBlue and Virgin America. They cannot simply abdicate from routes. Gradually, the competition will start eating the routes where AA is still making money...what are they going to do then?

I'm really not all that surprised. Seems like AA has struggled on BOS-SFO for a while. UA and VX seem to easily dominate the market.



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11540 times:

BOS-SFO is a bit of a shock to me. Though really I'm not sure why, as it is clearly P2P flying at this point. But of course so is BOS-CDG and such.

Quoting DLHFLYER (Reply 1):
One reason to merge with a strong east coast carrier
US Airways

Er because US is somehow stronger in BOS than AA?

A merger/alliance with B6 would do so much more for AA than a merger with US. Certainly, that combination would be far more dominant in BOS than anyone else has ever been (though in a merger situation I would envision service reduction at BOS), and would allow a hub at JFK that would match CO's (soon UA's) EWR hub and blow the DL hub at JFK out of the water.

Mind you, I rather prefer an alliance situation as I want to see a stronger AA but I also like B6 and don't want it to disappear. (OK, my real ideal situation is B6 as an independent subsidiary of AMR, but that is not going to happen.)



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11508 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 12):
BOS-SFO is a bit of a shock to me. Though really I'm not sure why, as it is clearly P2P flying at this point.

The fact that JetBlue and Virgin America have both started BOS-SFO over the past year certainly can't have helped yields, especially on a P2P route. It's a bit reminiscent of Delta's LAX-BOS attempt; once the LCCs came in, yields became diluted and there wasn't enough of a slice of pie left over to make the route worthwhile.


User currently offlineDLHFLYER From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11463 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 12):
Er because US is somehow stronger in BOS than AA?

I know US isn't strong at Boston. The suggestion was part tongue in cheek in reference to airline's desires to merge but also part truth. I mean, US is strong on the east coast (Philly, Charlotte).

But yes, I do agree that Jetblue would be a better partner.

Would the DOJ ever allow a AA/B6 merger? They would dominate JFK both domestically and internationally.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11420 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
And DFWBGI is added 3x weekly, which is totally out of left field.

???? That is out in left field. Im not sure what they are thinking with that one. Even if they added more DFW-Carribean, I would think PUJ or AUA would be more logical.



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User currently offlinebigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11355 times:

BOS-SFO disappoints me, but it is hardly shocking. SFO is reduced to hub/focus flying and HNL. I thought their yields were good, but with VX and B6 it was simply a matter of time. This frees up a couple of 757s for other markets presumably.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11353 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
That is out in left field. Im not sure what they are thinking with that one. Even if they added more DFW-Carribean, I would think PUJ or AUA would be more logical.

It makes perfect sense IMO. BGI is an upscale destination, similar to PLS. DFW-AUA would face competition from CO's IAH-AUA service. Also, U.S.-PUJ tends to peak in the summer, as opposed to most other Caribbean destinations.

[Edited 2010-06-25 21:41:25]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11295 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Gone too. But DFWPLS is back. And DFWBGI is added 3x weekly, which is totally out of left field.

That's great for DFW. DFW-BGI is really not out of left field, IMO.

It absolutely is out of left field because demand is pretty close to zero and Bridgetown is insanely concentrated on Florida/New York.

Definitely subsidies making this odd route happen.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11235 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
It absolutely is out of left field because demand is pretty close to zero and Bridgetown is insanely concentrated on Florida/New York.

I know the history, and I agree that it is a very odd route for DFW.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):

Definitely subsidies making this odd route happen.

This is why it isn't out of left field, IMO. AA likes these kind of routes to the Caribbean.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11128 times:

Interestingly, B6 is dropping BOS-OAK as well, which makes me wonder if there is a drop in BOS-Bay Area service, although they are restarting BOS-SJC. Maybe B6 will jump on BOS-STT now.

This is a bit shocking, since AA has been a staple on that route for many years, but times have changed.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11079 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
The remaining AA network out of Logan is: Chicago, Dallas, London, Los Angeles, Paris, Providenciales, San Juan and Santo Domingo; with Eagle to JFK, LaGuardia, Raleigh and Toronto.


Thanks, Mark for posting all this information. How long will CDG, RDU & YYZ continue from BOS?

Quoting VS11 (Reply 4):
Wow. AA leaving BOS-SFO is very shocking but I guess they can't compete effectively against Virgin America. I think AA needs to start finding ways to compete more effectively against jetBlue and Virgin America. They cannot simply abdicate from routes. Gradually, the competition will start eating the routes where AA is still making money...what are they going to do then?

Sadly, they can't compete effectively against VX and B6. Even with a strong, loyal base in BOS, New England, AA's costs are too high to remain competitive. This is becoming increasingly more apparent.

Quoting dfambro (Reply 9):

Wow, I know a lot of BOS based AA FFs that are going to be really upset! That's a common route for me (mostly UA, some VX, rarely AA) and the flights are usually pretty full and often oversold. I have a bad feeling that fares will be going up on that route.

You have UA 4X daily, VX 2-3X daily and B6 once daily. I don't think there will be much of a difference. UA is able to stay in this market because of their strong hub @ SFO, otherwise.......

Quoting bigGSFO (Reply 16):
BOS-SFO disappoints me, but it is hardly shocking. SFO is reduced to hub/focus flying and HNL. I thought their yields were good, but with VX and B6 it was simply a matter of time. This frees up a couple of 757s for other markets presumably.


As you know bigGSFO, it comes down to costs for AA.When you're competing with VX in this market and then you have B6 joining them along with UA, it won't work much longer. AA needs to do something with their costs as we all have passionately voiced our thoughts, feelings and beliefs as to what will happen in the near and long term.

I don't think we can consider SFO a "focus" city anymore. I believe all the flights out of SFO are to hubs with the exception of HNL now.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11048 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 21):
As you know bigGSFO, it comes down to costs for AA.When you're competing with VX in this market and then you have B6 joining them along with UA, it won't work much longer. AA needs to do something with their costs as we all have passionately voiced our thoughts, feelings and beliefs as to what will happen in the near and long term.

No, it does not always come down to costs.

The fact that AA made it very clear a few months ago that it is going to concentrate its network around five markets - Chicago, Dallas, LA, Miami and NYC.



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User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10992 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
No, it does not always come down to costs.

The fact that AA made it very clear a few months ago that it is going to concentrate its network around five markets - Chicago, Dallas, LA, Miami and NYC.

And they are doing that because they feel those are the domestic anchors that can best generate the kind of revenue premium they need to cover their structural cost disadvantage relative to the rest of the industry.

Cost is big in this equation, no question about it.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10980 times:

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 23):
And they are doing that because they feel those are the domestic anchors that can best generate the kind of revenue premium they need to cover their structural cost disadvantage relative to the rest of the industry.

Except all of those except Dallas are heavily competitive markets with strong low-fare competition.



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25 crosswinds21 : If anything, I'm surprised that it took this long for BOS-SFO to be dropped. I can't tell you how many times I have seen walkup one-way fares on this
26 Post contains images ScottB : How could you leave out MIAMI? I'd be shocked if BOS-CDG were to return in 2011; I'm surprised the seasonal service has lasted this long. When ATI wi
27 LAXdude1023 : I wouldnt call Miami a heavily competitve market. AA pretty much runs things there.
28 USAirALB : and ALB/SYR, and they are starting Plattsburgh this fall. I just can't belive they are canceling BOS-STT. Another reason for US to stick around on th
29 jeffrey1970 : I wonder if Jet Blue or Usairways, or another airline will take up any of those routes from Boston?
30 laca773 : Right on the bulls eye, B! Everyone was waiting for VX to start LAX/SFO-MIA and they ended up starting service into FLL instead. There's nothing comp
31 Post contains images airbazar : I don't think that's what the OP implied at all. I took it to mean that AA and US would complement eachother well, which is true given that there is
32 Jetlanta : But to be frank, the reason BOS isn't the seventh airport on that list is because AA, and all the legacies, are getting their collective asses handed
33 N62NA : RE: AA route cuts. Perhaps November 18th will be the day that their oddball EWR-LAX flight is finally axed.
34 SESGDL : An AA/B6 combination would not create a hub at JFK that would match CO's. No carrier has the facilities, nor the slots, nor the aircraft to emulate C
35 realsim : I may be wrong, but I think that all these cuts from BOS have something to do with the talks between AA and B6 for a stronger collaboration. In terms
36 worldtraveler : Which goes to show that EVERY carrier makes strategic choices about where they choose to stick it out and fight and where it isn't worth sticking aro
37 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I really can't argue that people haven't benefited form inexpensive air services from LCC's. I agree, its a trade-off in life. My critique is that ma
38 bigGSFO : Agreed however I wouldn't be surprised if BOS-MAD is operated in it's place. I doubt it. There are still business contracts that keep these flights a
39 Soxfan : Out of curiosity, how have these two airlines been collaborating in the past? I hope B6 jumps on the BOS-STT route. This is out of left field, but co
40 SESGDL : If AA and B6 are coordinating routes and schedules then that is collusion. Highly unlikely as AA and B6 could be fined pretty heavily if this in inde
41 DeltAirlines : If anything, the route will be right-sized using American Airlines equipment - it wouldn't shock me for one of AA's international 757s to fly this ro
42 bigGSFO : I wonder how much longer the SFO base (WAS and BOS too for that matter) will stay open.
43 Post contains images Jacobin777 : When "there" is....fingers typing too fast...
44 BOStonsox : Maybe AA could be dropping these routes knowing that B6 would take them over. I mean, when they gave B6 the DCA slots, it was obvious that most of th
45 worldtraveler : In terms of capacity (ASMs) just within N. America, AA right now is the largest carrier at BOS although DL offers more flights and more seats but AA
46 as739x : Codeshare's JL daily Narita CX 2x daily Hong Kong QF 5x weekly Sydney
47 Post contains images airbazar : You have to be careful with that topic. That may be true in a city where one or two airlines control the majority of the market until a LCC comes in
48 Jacobin777 : AA is working more and more with B6-don't be surprised to see more action between the two. AS is taking some routes on SJC which AA AAbandoned--such
49 BOACCunard : Perhaps, but unlike AA, DL has traditionally been weak on transcons, which have been dominated by AA and UA (and at one time TW). DL only served BOS-
50 Deltal1011man : You may not say it does now, but in what 2012? 2014? they will. (and i say they do now, DAL like HOU/ATL is a two hub market, just HOU and DAL have t
51 SCL767 : Don't forget WN's big presence at FLL!
52 LAXdude1023 : The DFW area is such a big market. AA/WN will co-exist fine in Dallas the same way CO/WN do in Houston and DL/FL do in Atlanta. All three markets are
53 MAH4546 : Boston-St. Thomas was put back into reservation systems, so looks like it is not going after all. Boston-Miami gets a 7th daily on 18NOV10.
54 steeler83 : It is crazy to see how far the majors out of BOS have fallen (AA, DL, US). Is B6 the largest carrier now out of BOS? I know that FL flies to a handfu
55 N757ST : Jetblue is the largest, but that might not include regional flights.. Carrier Passengers Share JetBlue 3,878,000 17.55% American 3,281,000 14.85% US A
56 Deltal1011man : I'm sure they can, but WN is very much in DAL, and it wont get any better when Write is gone. I wouldn't think WN is taking a lot(if any) contracts a
57 laca773 : We shall see how much longer AA does keep the odd ball LAX-EWR flight around. If the demand in the off season is that low but still warrants nonstop
58 MAH4546 : There is nothing oddball about LAX-EWR. It is likely kept in place for AA's corporate clients in LA. There will not be an "additional airline" if AA
59 laca773 : Your LAX-EWR flight probably will be kept around for just that reason.[Edited 2010-06-26 14:26:11]
60 DFWEagle : I believe AA entered the market on 6th January 1998, so that would mean they will have served it for almost 13 years by the time it is cut. It's sad
61 TOMMY767 : Yeah I doubt it's going away either. Last year the route was operated for months on the 762.
62 MAH4546 : And it "upgrades" back to a 752 this fall.
63 airbazar : You can hardly get anywhere outside of the East Coast from BOS on B6 unless you change planes somewhere. There's a huge empty space between Denver an
64 ChrisNH : The majors gutted Manchester (to a greater extent) and Providence (to a lesser extent) in order to 're-focus' on Boston. That's what Delta and USAirw
65 LAXdude1023 : Its not going to get better per se, but it wont be any different than CO/WN in Houston.
66 BOACCunard : No it wasn't. TW was a much smaller airline than NW, and even then, most of TW disappeared, which I don't think anyone expects to happen to most of N
67 Deltal1011man : Yes but AA was pretty darn big already. Anyways AA has 615 planes and DL has 714(not counting the D9S because they are gone soon). So you can use ASM
68 USAirALB : This is where the US/DL/AA fly to out of BOS : (Routes that are ending in the coming months are excluded) AA: ORD, LAX, DFW, MIA, LHR, SJU, SDQ, CDG,
69 MAH4546 : And how is WN not "very much" in HOU? Southwest dominates HOU just like it dominates DAL.
70 worldtraveler : WN and B6 have almost identical revenue at FLL... but DL is only about 5% smaller than WN or B6. Lots of people think that AA dominates South Florida
71 Post contains images Deltal1011man : When did i say they weren't? Please point that out......you can't because i didn't. I did say i think WN may pull back a HOU a bit when they can add
72 SurfandSnow : A quick check of flightstats.com shows that UA pretty well dominates the BOS-SFO route with 5x daily service all flown by 757s. With AA and B6 being
73 laca773 : Never a merger, partner, never! Perhaps a alliance partner, but at the same time, it would look bad on AA since B6 has excellent cost containment com
74 BOACCunard : I won't speculate on what AA's intention was when it bought TW, but even though I agree with you that AA doesn't need to merge, TW is certainly not t
75 Deltal1011man : I kinda agree and i kinda don't. I mean yes it TW was smaller, but What i mean is by TW is AA's NW is that AA did its *big* merger in 01 with TW. The
76 Soxfan : Do you know on which days, and for how long (likely being a seasonal flight), it will operate?
77 Jacobin777 : Internationally or domestically?
78 Deltal1011man : Both pretty much. I'm trying to remember who it is (and they aren't ATL based) but thats one the reason we have ATL-STR.
79 Jacobin777 : Using DOT data for domestic: --------- Atlanta, GA: Hartsfield-Jackson (ATL) Delta 40,162 53.16% AirTran 14,507 19.20% Atlantic Southeast 12,529 16.5
80 BOACCunard : Why? What does AA have now, that it gained from TW, that it would need to gain through a merger with someone else otherwise? A bunch of MD-80s?
81 Post contains images Deltal1011man : Ah you had me confused, i thought you were talking about corp. contracts which is what me and LAXdude were talking about. Anyways, yes FL is 20% but
82 SCL767 : Even though Porsche Cars North America, Inc. is based in Atlanta, many German executives outside of the ATL area prefer to travel on LH's DUS-MIA-DUS
83 Post contains images Jacobin777 : No problems...easy to get things confused on A.net.. FL has been stable though -give or take a % or two....
84 Post contains images Deltal1011man : That and it has helped them gain market share in some citys, but your right, alot of what AA got from TW they pissed away........but the biggest thin
85 WA707atMSP : AA has NEVER been very strong at SFO. Before deregulation, AA was much weaker than UA, TWA, or Western. In Sep 1977, this was AA's service at SFO: OR
86 Jacobin777 : Until DL finishes its added capacity @ SFO, AA is the second largest domestic carrier @ SFO (in terms of pax share). SJC/SFO still has a large AA bas
87 LAXintl : Unique? like what? What can they accomplish at SFO that can't be done at LAX for example, where OW partners are bigger anyhow. At the end of the day,
88 jamake1 : Bingo! With Alaska's entry into the OAK/SJC-Hawai'i market, I too think that AA's SFO-HNL days are numbered...
89 jetbluefan1 : What? A huge empty space between Denver and the East Coast? B6 flies BOS-MSY/AUS/ORD - all of which are very much between Denver and the East Coast.
90 MAH4546 : I'm told that SFO-HNL is AA's best performing HNL route, hence its kept around. Even Delta flies HNL-SFO.
91 Post contains images BOACCunard : Well, AA did get that from TW, but a decade before the merger.
92 crAAzy : Terminal 1 ? I'm confused. Are they planning on moving farther down the (yet to be built) Terminal 1 pier after their terminal 2 move next year? Addi
93 N801NW : PMDL did drop their DL624/625 ATL-SFO-HNL / HNL-SFO-ATL service. With the merger they kept the NW SFO-HNL service and retimed it closer to the old DL
94 LAXintl : Well if SFO-HNL is their best route, AA must not be doing too hot in Hawaii, but either way the DOT numbers don't support this. A quick comparison of
95 TOMMY767 : AA is the new "cheap way" to get to hawaii. I see fare specials that go to my e-mail for under 300 r/t sometimes on LAX-HNL. SFO-HNL is probably the
96 B752OS : Hopefully there will be some 763 service on BOS-MIA during the winter. BOS is also B6's second largest station, so yes, B6 has a very strong position
97 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Schedule optimization with JL and BA as well potential SFO-HND. QF increasing frequency to SFO from its current 4x/weekly. LAN starting SFO as well.
98 Post contains images laca773 : . I was saying this very early on in the thread.
99 LAXintl : All things they can do 5x better at LAX due to the much larger scope of operations by all OW parties.
100 airbazar : Whoopedeedoo, 3 cities on the edge of an area the size of Western Europe. Not if you include the regionals too which you should.
101 Jacobin777 : To a certain extent-but its not as if OneWorld is a 3rd-tier alliance at SFO either with BA/CX serving multiple frequencies(of course, we know how bi
102 LAXintl : Probably should have done this earlier, but dug through available DOT numbers for the BOS-SFO route. Pretty amazing, AA barely manages a higher averag
103 worldtraveler : size ALWAYS matters... but the difference in size between DL and UA/CO is within a couple percentage points.. it is 30%+ between DL and AA..... AA is
104 MAH4546 : It absolutely is valid. The Caribbean is a profit center for AA.
105 Post contains images Jacobin777 : 85% is where I draw the line...personally. "C-" versus a "solid B".... Stock return-that's a metric I've never seen you use....by that metric, AA is
106 AirBuffalo : With this pull-down and the recent downgrade to the 757 on one of the BOS-LHR dailies, I wonder how long the double-daily can last. How can a stuffy
107 MAH4546 : AA and BA will no longer compete as of October. BOS-LHR will be co-operated by both, along with BOS-MAD and BOS-CDG. As to whether AA will still use
108 Deltal1011man : True, but still if anything AA has used TW's planes to expand the AA network...... At the time it did, AA isn't the only airline that likes to kill h
109 Post contains images Jacobin777 : While you are correct about it, its rather irrelevant for a stock investor. The investor wants his/her $1.00 investment to become >$1.00 after x-p
110 jetbluefan1 : Is there need for the sarcasm? Let's have some respect for one another, if it isn't too much to ask. I would argue that since B6 only serves 5 statio
111 AirBuffalo : interesting. i'd hope that could mean the return of United or another *A carrier to the route. CO still codeshares the Virgin flight, but i imagine t
112 worldtraveler : Of course it is... everything is a profit center for AA.. yet they continue to lose money faster than any airline in the western world. DO tell us ho
113 Post contains images Deltal1011man : what does that have to do with what i said? (hint nothing) Dam dude you just know everything....... anyways again, that was not my point. You said...
114 DFWEagle : DL is going to find it really tough on LAX-HND now that ANA has confirmed they are starting service in the market, particularly with the excellent sc
115 Deltal1011man : DL will be just fine. The LAX-HND market is so large they and ANA will both live pretty happy. whoaaaaa DL starts mod work on the 744 fleet after the
116 DFWEagle : Awesome. There is more to the product than the seat, but it will certainly be a big improvement. Sure, but that’s not the point I was getting at. Y
117 Deltal1011man : Yea I know what a JV is. So are you saying AA JFK-CDG flights don't work? Or that DL's JFK-LHR flights will fail? For SFO maybe, but we will see once
118 DFWEagle : Well, I am saying that AA does nowhere near as well on JFK-CDG as AF/DL does. And if/when AA gets a joint venture with BA, I do expect that AA/BA wil
119 worldtraveler : RDU and CLT are in the same state... there are those - not all - who think AA's salvation is in a US merger/acquisition. CLT and PHL are about the on
120 Post contains images DFWEagle : Yep, and the final word should be coming very soon now for US carriers. Then they can all finally get their routes on sale and concentrate on making
121 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Hence I said-"personally".-but I firmly believe 70% and 85% is a big difference-you are entitled to your opinion..... Actually mate, if you read my c
122 ssides : This is a falsehood that has been repeated so many times lots of people take it as fact. This is simply incorrect. If AA wanted to eliminate TWA as a
123 aajfksjubklyn : There is a large West Indian Population in the Boston area, many of which are Barbadian.
124 STT757 : Getting back to BOS, is there anymore news about where CO/UA will consolidate their BOS operations?.. The last I read from the Boston Globe cited sour
125 MAH4546 : Okay, but the BOS-BGI market is still tiny. I believe smaller than BDL-BGI. Hartford and DC are often one of the largest non-FL/NYC market to the sma
126 Post contains links laca773 : What happened? This thread is not about NH & DL to HND or about RDU & CLT. Back on topic, I just saw this interesting article on AA dropping B
127 srbmod : Since a few of you have decided to hijack another AA thread into a DL thread, this thread is now locked. Any posts that appear after this post will be
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