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Australian Aviation Thread # 37  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 703 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 22350 times:

Throughout thread 36, the following was discussed / mentioned:

* Tiger Airways announces services to Cairns (BOC schedule)
* Comparison of Business product across the Qantas 767-300 fleet
* Air North expands services to the Pilbara region in Western Australia
* Pacific Blue cancels Adelaide - Nadi services and V Australia's solid Phuket passenger figures
* Proposed trans-Tasman alliance between the Virgin Blue Group & Air New Zealand
* Japan Airlines confirms suspension of Brisbane services from October 2010
* Strategic Airlines announces weekly Brisbane / Melbourne - Port Hedland services with A320s
* Strategic Airlines commence services from Perth - Denpasar
* PacificFlier moves its A310 Palau operations to the Gold Coast
* Brindabella Airlines announces Brisbane - Moree services from July 2010
* Qantas expands A380 services to Melbourne
* Jetstar announces a new interline agreement with Air France / KLM
* Future of V Australia and the Virgin Blue Group
* China Southern announces widely-expected Brisbane services from November 2010
* Jetstar Airways announces widebody A330-200 services from Melbourne / Auckland to Singapore
* Changes to Thai Airways' schedule offering for Brisbane and Sydney
* TT announces Avalon - Alice Springs / Mackay / Rockhampton / Sydney / Gold Coast / Adelaide
* New Virgin Blue reservation system comes online - NewSkies
* Armidale and Cloudbreak Airports appear in drop-down destination list on Virgin Blue website
* Air India announces Delhi - Melbourne services which will commence November 2010

Unofficial Qantas Group Fleet Information - www.qflyer.info

Cheers  

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 703 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22352 times:

1. Royal Brunei is recruiting a number of staff (for example, Station Manager) in preparation for its launch of Melbourne services (date unknown - however probably with effect NW10/11 schedules).

2. QantasLink will suspend Dash 8 services to Blackwater in Queensland from August due to permanent closure of the airport (however at the same time it will remain open for RFDS and other emergency services).

3. Appears Strategic Airlines has suspended selling fares for its yet-to-be-launched Melbourne - Port Hedland A320 service (no changes to the service from Brisbane). Fares can no longer be booked online and there's no now longer a reference to the services under the timetable section. Meanwhile, the airline has also applied to the IASC for capacity to introduce weekly A320 services from Port Hedland and Karratha to Denpasar from August 2010.

Cheers


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22335 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
2. QantasLink will suspend Dash 8 services to Blackwater in Queensland from August due to permanent closure of the airport (however at the same time it will remain open for RFDS and other emergency services).

Will these Dash - 8's be used on new routes or increase in frequency?


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22326 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 242):
Now that DJ is going more upmarket, there will still be a place for an airline that offers cost conscious business travellers a reliable frequent service on important routes.

Alan, I would have thought JQ allready provides that, or were you thinking of another airline in competition with JQ - IMHO I cant see too many "cost conscious business travellers" (CCBT) utilising TT. I have noticed over the past 12 months more CCBT using JQ. I suspect when DJ revamps its brand in the coming months there will be room within that brand for CCBT, then we will be seeing "some cats amongst the pidgeons" so to speak.

JQ is not meant to be taking business away from Qantas mainline. When JQ does go on to routes where Qantas operates it is usually very controlled competition. Someday, perhaps the Qantas Board will tell JQ Management to go for your life and compete on every route. Building daily frequency is how JQ or Tiger will compete against Qantas and DJ. Perhaps in five years time Tiger will be offering 20 flights a day on SYD-MEL. Easy to book last minute tickets, and easy to change. They can still be single class cabins, with buy on board food. Perhaps service similar to the bundles on AirNZ's new Trans Tasman products.

The CCBT I am thinking about is a person on another board, who has used TT for a trip MEL-ADL, same day. A good fare, and his travel was worry free.

CCBTs will not use Business Class on short one hour flights. I think that TT are still building their airline and getting it right.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 703 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22312 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 2):

Will these Dash - 8's be used on new routes or increase in frequency?

I think that could be anyone's guess - could very well be used to increase services from Brisbane to Newcastle, Charleville (nonstop services), Roma or Moranbah. Blackwater sees a mixture of Dash 8-200s and 300s.


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User currently offlinepugsley From Australia, joined Jan 2010, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22289 times:

The Latest speculation at QF is that QF mainline will be returning to the following routes by the end of the year,
MEL - OOL
SYD - OOL
MEL - LST

With other rumours suggesting that new cabin crew bases will be set up by year end, but not at the current domestic bases of MEL, SYD, BNE, CNS or PER. Highly likely bases are CBR, OOL, or ADL.

Time to wait and see. Good to see growth back at QF.



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User currently offlineBoof From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 22265 times:

Aerokiwi, I'm not going to continue arguing with you as was clearly about to continue in thread 36 so this will be my last post on the matters.

Quote:
Again you equate the level of competition with "services that cross the Tasman Sea", without realising that most of that competition is on routes to AKL.

Please don't patronise me. Of course I realise most of the capacity and competition is on routes to AKL even if I did forget AR. The problem in New Zealand is that every town with a pub, a post office and an airport wants flights to Australia.

Why can't Kiwis use AKL and CHC as hubs like we do in Australia with flights to LAX out of only 3 ports. Straight line distance between IVC and AKL is within miles of the same as HBA to SYD, CHC to AKL is only 412NM, all prime distances for feeder service into hubs which is no different to Joe Blogs going from DRW to AKL, CNS to LAX, HBA to PER.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see flights to everywhere (HBA-CHC is high on my own wishlist) and if a direct route is profitable and competitive, great. If not consider the options to feed through other ports like is currently the case with other markets.

Quote:
Removing DJ from the equation there will have a significant impact on competitive pressures, likely raising fares.

Nothing in the DJ/NZ tie up says anything about DJ being removed. Only that they will work together.

Quote:
You also keep throwing JQ into the mix, which is patently ridiculous because JQ is largely a QF-replacement vehicle.

Is it so ridiculous? QF use JQ as means to service markets that cannot substantiate a large full service carrier on routes to everywhere including trans tasman services, domestic service in NZ, service to and from OOL, you get my point. Don't forget that JQ do compete with QF on certain routes across the tasman, and certainly on a lot of routes here in Australia.

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The only major recent addition to the Tasman has been DJ. Remove that and remove a ton of competition.

Again DJ are not pulling out of the market as part of this proposed tie up.

I accept your points in relation to QF25, although I'm sure I read that it was reduced to one 744 flight then changed to 3x 737 services a couple of years ago, regardless I'll cop that on the chin. As well I appreciate you pointing out when the NZ744 is used. Funny that they use it in the summer time when its busy??

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Sounds a lot like hoiking the blame onto passengers to me

With regards to this statement you are clearly missing my original point. I stated that people want to fly for nothing, I didn't say that it is the passengers fault that we have such low fares in the marketplace just that they will buy them, if anything it is the airlines who increased capacity to the point that now fares have dropped to an unprofitable level. Both you and I would be beneficiaries of the cheaper fares in the market today then was available 10 years ago, and even with a DJ/NZ tie up fares are hardly likely to go up to that level again anytime soon given the amount of other carriers feeding into hubs in NZ and the continual drive by all airlines to reduce the cost base they work from to be able to provide fares at low prices thus stimulating the market.

My other point is that just because people want to pay $50 to fly across the Tasman from and to anywhere does not mean that when DJ and NZ do tie up TT can come straight onto the routes because they have a lower cost base and can offer the price point people want. Once TT have the correct approvals and ownership structure then by all means let them have access, but I firmly do not believe that just because two airlines want to attempt to streamline operations in partnership it gives the right to another airline to come onto the routes and compete without the appropriate structures and approvals.

If you want to discuss this further then PM me.

Cheers,

Boof



If only B6 flew in Australia...
User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 22155 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
1. Royal Brunei is recruiting a number of staff (for example, Station Manager) in preparation for its launch of Melbourne services (date unknown - however probably with effect NW10/11 schedules).

Hmmm this is good news, these positions will certainly be hotly contested over! Loos like my detective work isn't doing to badly! Que the mission impossible music!  
Quoting pugsley (Reply 5):
Highly likely bases are CBR, OOL, or ADL.

CBR is certainly an interesting idea. QFLink already have a cabin crew base there not sure about tech crew, they only operate to Sydney as far as I know. I would hope this means further expansion from CBR in the future, once the new terminal is complete I am sure we will see some trans-Tasman flying out of CBR just depends when. Although I would imagine that this would be done by Jetconnect crew.

I wonder currently how many crew overnight in ADL at the moment, it will be interesting to see if this is enough to justify a base...
OOL now there is an interesting one.......


User currently offlinepilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 22138 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):

3. Appears Strategic Airlines has suspended selling fares for its yet-to-be-launched Melbourne - Port Hedland A320 service (no changes to the service from Brisbane). Fares can no longer be booked online and there's no now longer a reference to the services under the timetable section. Meanwhile, the airline has also applied to the IASC for capacity to introduce weekly A320 services from Port Hedland and Karratha to Denpasar from August 2010.

Would be great if it happened, as long as it's a different day to Skywest's service.

Then can fly over on the weekend and come back mid way through the week, would suit the roster as well. Many people here do 4 days on 4 days off, so if people could shoot to Bali for their 4 days off it would be a outstanding success!

Assume it would be KTA-PHE-DPS as KTA doesn't have immigration services at the airport only the port.



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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 22094 times:

Quoting pugsley (Reply 5):
The Latest speculation at QF is that QF mainline will be returning to the following routes by the end of the year,
MEL - OOL
SYD - OOL
MEL - LST

I hope this comes true... OOL may be Australia's Low-Cost airport but with a population of over 500,000, a legacy carrier is needed


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 22041 times:

Quoting pugsley (Reply 5):
MEL - OOL
SYD - OOL
MEL - LST

Well TRUEMAN, "your wish may be there command" after all, and rightly so too. Will it be the 734?? 

On first thought, why a return to LST with QF metal? The Dash 8 Q 400 QF Link is just as quick on this sector as the jets, just as comfortable if not better than the jets, and I would suspect current pricing on flexible tickets is not an issue. Certainly FF points is not an issue. So why? Can anyone offer a plausible explanation (other than the "prestige" one)?



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User currently offlinepugsley From Australia, joined Jan 2010, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 22018 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 7):
CBR is certainly an interesting idea. QFLink already have a cabin crew base there not sure about tech crew

Unfortunatley the CBR QFLink base has been closed for just over a year and a half. The crew were given the option to transfer to the MEL, SYD, BNE and MQL base's if i remember correctly. So currently there is no base a CBR.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 7):
I wonder currently how many crew overnight in ADL at the moment

On average, 40 crew overnight in Adelaide each night and 35 a night in canberra.

Quoting TN486 (Reply 10):
On first thought, why a return to LST with QF metal?

With DJ rumoured to introduce a dedicated Busines Class cabin, QF will be returning to routes that DJ would otherwise operate as the only airline offering Business as QF had previously given these sectors to JQ. EG Mel-Ool, Syd-Ool, Mel-Lst etc...



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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 703 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 21995 times:

Quoting pugsley (Reply 11):
With DJ rumoured to introduce a dedicated Busines Class cabin, QF will be returning to routes that DJ would otherwise operate as the only airline offering Business as QF had previously given these sectors to JQ. EG Mel-Ool, Syd-Ool, Mel-Lst etc...

Thanks for the explanation, however I am in agreement with TN486. Those Q400s are a licence to print cash and better suited to destinations such as LST.

Would there even be an uptake of J class on routes such as MEL - LST?

If LST is a candidate for Qantas 737s, then surely former 737 ports such as Mackay and Rockhampton could also be added to the list.

Cheers


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 21928 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 12):
If LST is a candidate for Qantas 737s, then surely former 737 ports such as Mackay and Rockhampton could also be added to the list.

Has LST ever been services by 737 by Qantas? I definitely think a Q400 would be a better option

Just looking at QF route map and it shows no direct service between Hobart and Brisbane? I was under the impression there were direct services between the five big capitals (BNE/MEL/SYD/PER/ADL) to every capital by QF/JQ?

Also, can anyone shed some light on how much longer Pacific Flier is going to last? There is no way they can remain profitable on the OOL - Manilla services, especially considering I have seen no advertising.


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 21873 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 13):
Has LST ever been services by 737 by Qantas? I definitely think a Q400 would be a better option

The "merger" with Australian Airlines (TN) occurred early 1994, at that time LST was, and continued to be serviced with 733 (3xdaily) and one Dash 8 service per day (the Dash 8 o/n LST).
Source: QF Domestic timetable 27 Mar 94.
By Oct 98, all services to LST from MEL, SYD and ADL (yep, on a sunday morning!!) were operated by the 146 on a QF flight number under the auspices of Southern Australia Airlines. Subsequently when Airlink, Southern Australia, Eastern Australia and Sunstate were brought under the Airlink banner, and the 146 "banished" from the Eastern part of Australia, the 717 took over. Interesting to note that just prior to the commencement of JQ, (initial services being to LST and HBA), the 717 was also servicing HBA under the Airlink banner.
QF retained a dash 8 service to LST after JQ took over the route, and its only in the last 12 months that they have been using the Q400 on the route.  



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User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21693 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 13):
Also, can anyone shed some light on how much longer Pacific Flier is going to last? There is no way they can remain profitable on the OOL - Manilla services, especially considering I have seen no advertising.

PacificFlier fly to Palau from OOL, not Manilla. They do service Manilla from Palau too but I'm unsure what the connections are like. Living here in Ipswich I've seen some advertising for them, but BNE is much easier and convenient as an airport than OOL. Pax wise, services aren't doing too well - it's been reported around 20 per flight, but cargo is another matter, for which I can't seem to get my hands on any figures.


User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21682 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 13):
Also, can anyone shed some light on how much longer Pacific Flier is going to last?

I hear poor pax loadings and they have one A310. What happens when this a/c goes tech? There entire weekly schedule will collpase. I have seen very little marketing. A bit like Air Pacific's service to Nadi. It never got good loadings and that ws even with onward connections to LAX from OOL

I am nervous for Pacific Flyer too

Quoting TN486 (Reply 14):
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 13):
Has LST ever been services by 737 by Qantas?

As far back as the 1970's LST had MEL service with DC9 - so up until fairly recently the smallest a/c on the route were dc9/727 and then 737. Many thought losing jet service was a major come down. There was even a LST-HBT at one time



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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21598 times:

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 16):
There was even a LST-HBT at one time

Oh yeah, that was quite common in the days of TN and AN, routings like MEL-LST-HBT-LST-MEL (admittedly this was mainly during the off-season) and normally flown by the DC9. It was quite rare to see a 727 in LST - normally during high season and even then only Fri/Sun evenings. Also, high season most services to LST and HBT from MEL were direct.
I also have some TN schedules reflecting TJet freight services to Tassie, normally done by the ac that flew the evening service to HBT, then it would do a freight HBT-MEL-HBT then do the morning pax service out of HBT. Those were the days!!  



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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21504 times:

TN486 You are making me feel very nostalgic

OLD TAA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om3JLK_Zd0&feature=related



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 21440 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 13):
Has LST ever been services by 737 by Qantas? I definitely think a Q400 would be a better option

Yes and in recent years too...after JQ commenced services to LST with 717s, QF mainline operated a daily 737-800 on MEL-LST which o/n in LST...the service was switched to multi daily QantasLink Dash8s in 2006 to provide better frequency for the QF frequent flyers and passengers wanting connecting services which JQ couldn't offer. Due to higher passenger demand the Q400s were put on the route...I remember when I used to live in LST I often had a hard time trying to book on QF as Q200/300s they had on the route would fill up quickly...so I had no choice but to fly JQ or DJ!

And even prior to that, back in the mid 1990s QF had 737-300/400s mixed into their daily scheduals, I flew on them on the route in 1995/1996 ...think this was before they switched the route to being almost exclusively 146s.

The question will be at whate frequency would they return QF mainline services now?...just 1xDaily? or would they do 1xDaily QF, and add QFlink daily services as well?

Quoting TN486 (Reply 14):
QF retained a dash 8 service to LST after JQ took over the route, and its only in the last 12 months that they have been using the Q400 on the route.

The Dash 8s were only returned back onto the route following July 2006.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 12):
Quoting pugsley (Reply 11):
With DJ rumoured to introduce a dedicated Busines Class cabin, QF will be returning to routes that DJ would otherwise operate as the only airline offering Business as QF had previously given these sectors to JQ. EG Mel-Ool, Syd-Ool, Mel-Lst etc...

Thanks for the explanation, however I am in agreement with TN486. Those Q400s are a licence to print cash and better suited to destinations such as LST.

Would there even be an uptake of J class on routes such as MEL - LST?

Yes, take a flight on the current Q400 early morning or evening service and take a look at the clientel, QF didn't drop mainline services due to the lack in passengers travelling in J, infact many businesses in LST made a big fuss about the loss of QF mainline back in 2006...and they will need to provide a J class service on the route to combat the 'new' DJ...

Personally...I hope they would stick with or increase the Q400 services...me being a nerd loves the fact that i can fly down to LST visit family and score 3 different aircraft type...BNE-SYD 767/737, SYD-MEL A330/767/737, MEL-LST Q400......(ok sure i could just do BNE-MEL 737 and MEL-LST Q400, or just direct nonstop BNE-LST JQ A320....but where is the fun in that! lol).

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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 21336 times:

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 19):
JQ commenced services to LST with 717s, QF mainline operated a daily 737-800 on MEL-LST which o/n in LST...the service was switched to multi daily QantasLink Dash8s in 2006 to provide better

Thanks mate, I forgot about that one (showing my age somewhat  
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Quoting jetfuel (Reply 18):
TN486 You are making me feel very nostalgic

OLD TAA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om3J...lated

Thanks for sharing that. I had a laugh whilst watching that (the shot with the mature age lady with the knitting needles)because it reminded me of a trip to HBT on a 717, my sons partner was accompanying my wife and I, the partner was sitting in the middle seat, and all of a sudden produced knitting needles and proceeded to knit. I did suggest she put them away as "it was not the done thing" in this security conscious environment. Just as I said this, a female FA walked past, came to a screaming halt, did a 180 (the body language was a classic) and walked "briskly" back to the front of the ac. In no time at all the purser, another female, came up to our row of seats, all smiles, and very politely asked her if she wouldnt mind returning her knitting to her carryon bag. She did this with no argument, and at the end of the flight, the purser thanked her effusively for her cooperation. A great way of handling a situation from QF Link staff.



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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21267 times:

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 19):

Yes, take a flight on the current Q400 early morning or evening service and take a look at the clientel, QF didn't drop mainline services due to the lack in passengers travelling in J, infact many businesses in LST made a big fuss about the loss of QF mainline back in 2006...and they will need to provide a J class service on the route to combat the 'new' DJ...

A lot has changed with the economy, and you see less and less business travellers in the Y cabin these days for the short domestic flights. Maybe as mentioned further up the page with the closure of BLT they will put on an extra service or two through LST. If you can belive Alan Joyce, if you can give a businessman a choice of one or two flights a day way with the 737 or twice or three times the frequency using the -400's, they would choose the frequency.

My bets for the extra QF prime yes, OOL is up there it will allow pax to connect with the JQ international services, and allow them to have their bags through checked to their international destinations opperated by JQ (as against if you are inbound on a JQ domestic, connecting with, anything you have to collect your bags). I am also going out onto a limb and say HTI as a possible destination reintroduces onto the QF network



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User currently offlinethefuture From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21216 times:

Quoting Boof (Reply 6):
Please don't patronise me. Of course I realise most of the capacity and competition is on routes to AKL even if I did forget AR. The problem in New Zealand is that every town with a pub, a post office and an airport wants flights to Australia.

Surely they can, look at Allegiant in USA. They fly to plenty of 1 horse towns, just not on ahigh frequency basis.

Once we get rid of ridiculous int taxes like AUD$47 departure tax, fares will be much cheaper.

Wow QF back to OOL, that will make TT, JQ, DJ & QF or will QF take over some of JQ services ?

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 13):
Also, can anyone shed some light on how much longer Pacific Flier is going to last? There is no way they can remain profitable on the OOL - Manilla services, especially considering I have seen no advertising.

They advertise to industry but am sure they are looking at inbound more than outbound.

CO Mike have had a monopoly on GUM/Aust services for a whole, even if to only CNS.

Apparently they carry a lot of freight(fish) in the belly of 310.

You can fly to Manila with them, but requires 2 separate tickets & long stops in ROR.

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 16):
I hear poor pax loadings and they have one A310. What happens when this a/c goes tech? There entire weekly schedule will collpase. I have seen very little marketing. A bit like Air Pacific's service to Nadi. It never got good loadings and that ws even with onward connections to LAX from OOL

Think they spend a lot of time every week doing routine maintenance & so hopefully won't go tech, but if it does that's life.

Remember when QF started BNE/LAX a few years back ? 744 went U/S & no backup aircraft, so most passengers spent 48 hours waiting & waiting & waiting. Eventually some got $400 compo apparently.

Think FJ foray into OOL/NAN was as a way to say to BNE who's charges are apparently incredibly high, look we can use OOL instead for extra services.

Unfortunately, GFC started at same time as flights OOL/NAN which incidentally, was quickest way by far to fly OOL/LAX.

Thought new head honcho at FJ would turn FJ into some sort of LCC, but guess he has to answer to his bosses at QF.

Would Fiji govt want FJ more like a LCC ? Probably. The small % of high yield passengers, probably doesn't evn justify a business class.

If they pulled their bus class out of their 744's, how many Y class seats could they jam in the nose ?
(they could make upstairs premium economy or something similar)

Why couldn't QF or Jetconnect fly OOL/AKL like NZ do & connect with 332 to LAX ?

Surely Jetconnects costs must be close to NZ's ?


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21177 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 13):
Just looking at QF route map and it shows no direct service between Hobart and Brisbane? I was under the impression there were direct services between the five big capitals (BNE/MEL/SYD/PER/ADL) to every capital by QF/JQ?

Please, someone correct me if I am wrong, however I believe this is only a seasonal route. JQ used to do it with 717 (?) some 3 or 4 days a week yonks ago but when the A320 came on line service became unprofitable as did the ADL-HBT direct service.



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Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 21090 times:

DJ do daily E90 service nonstop BNE/HBA as below, codeshared with VA

1 DJ 702 D BNE D HBA D 0845 1135 0 27JUN10 04JUL10 E90 2:50
2DJ:VA 702 D BNE D HBA D 0845 1135 0 25JUN10 16JUL10 E90 2:50

TT do ADL/HBA nonstop currently 4 days a week

1 TT8012 135 ADL 1 HBA D 0725 0945 0 29MAR10 30JUL10 320 1:50
2 TT8012 7 ADL 1 HBA D 0750 1010 0 27JUN10 01AUG10 320 1:50

so if what TN486 says is correct & JQ used to operate ADL/HBA nonstop with 717, an example of TT taking over a JQ route.

Think TT A320's have same number of seats as JQ A320's.


25 747m8te : Yes it is seasonal...though interesting to note that JQ run a daily BNE-LST service with the A320, originally daily with the 717s then was reduced to
26 DJ748 : I remember hearing that the JQ BNE-LST services are subsidised by some company/companies etc in Tasmania, which is why they are on the route - otherw
27 Boof : Funny thing that the 717's were listed as operating under Airlink which they were, however they had Qantaslink painted on the side, and when you book
28 747m8te : Both the HBA and LST flights to BNE used to be horrible time wise...and to make matters worse, because they were often the last flights of the day th
29 RyanairGuru : I flew JQ BNE-LST-BNE last year and the flights were just about full each way (at a guess something like 95%). Admittedly that was in late November/ea
30 Post contains links pugsley : Tiger to charge for check-in Tiger Airways passengers without checked baggage will be slugged up to $15 from July 1 if they do not check-in online. It
31 Post contains links Boof : Tell me about it. Also when there was issues with the MEL services into Tas they would often divert the BNE aircraft via MEL to collect PAX, then fly
32 Post contains images TN486 : Boof, the yardstick is, as you said "lose 1 customer, you have lost another 10". This applies in any market on this earth, not just aviation. Yep, an
33 thefuture : that's just it they didn't have any spare seats via SYD or MEL or even SYD/HNL-it was peak season !!! Heard some bus fliers hit the roof & got qu
34 747m8te : Yes on that particular instance maybe...but the point is on most occasions QF would have other options...where at the moment an airline like pacific
35 747m8te : ...I assume this is to apply for bookings made from July??? hmmm will be interesting to see how this works for them... yeah...but as Boof said its a
36 thefuture : This will catch on & soon many other airlines, if not all will be doing the same. It's all about reducing expensive staffing levels.
37 Boof : You are dreaming mate. Tiger become the second airline in the world after FL to introduce the charge and it will catch on?? The ironic thing here is
38 allrite : I doubt if the full service airlines would want to discourage passengers from checking in at the airport as many of their more valuable passengers fl
39 jetfuel : People dont appreciate the attitude of an airline that has almost secret fees for things that are part of normal service. It's not like it's an optio
40 747m8te : Exactly...classic example is the direction the new DJ are headed...getting further from the low cost model and moving into full service... ...its wha
41 smi0006 : Here is an interesting one: Airlineroute.net is reporting; As per GDS timetable display on 29JUN10, Air Austral is to operate Boeing 777-300ER aircraf
42 Post contains links allrite : The ATSB have released the final report on the Qantas VH-QPI A330 HKG-SYD turbulence incident. Quoting from the abstract: Full report In response Qant
43 thefuture : No not dreaming. Airlines (esp legacy) have to reduce labour costs or die. So check in staff will go & some expensive check in counters. Ryanair
44 anstar : Perhaps that because they dont pay for much lol.... Cabin crew earn crap pay and yet have to pay 2500 euro for their own training (and dont get paid
45 smi0006 : Isn't this what QFs check-in of the future is based around? Like NZ has in NZ lol. But you won't have to pay any additional amount for it.
46 ZuluAlpha : I am not sure what the NZ proposisition is, but from what I understand with QF, they are introducing a 'smart-chipped' frequent flyer card that is, u
47 aerokiwi : Classic strawman argument - this isn't about smaller centres. As it stands, PMR no longer has international flights, DUD is seasonal and HLZ is only
48 Boof : I take offense to this statement, disagree with your points raised but leave open my offer to you that if you want to continue this discussion then P
49 smi0006 : It is taking it one step further, there will no longer be any check-in counters except for premium passengers (silver and above frequent flyer and on
50 alangirvan : You could also say.... and if the airline has enough kiosks. All this is about reducing staffing levels at airports, whether the airline uses kiosks
51 aerokiwi : Has anyone heard of the reason as to why Strategic have pulled the Port Headland-Melbourne service? I was hoping to tale advantage of it later in the
52 thefuture : Yep exactly !!! If airlines don't get a large % of people to use web check in, they will be at a distinct financial disadvantage to other airlines th
53 ZuluAlpha : Yeah I saw that mentioned in another post. Do we think that this will ever be likely? Imagine the fury of the pilots. I can see what the pilots will
54 thefuture : Can't a lot of commercail aircraft operate completely or virtually pilotless already ?
55 ZuluAlpha : I'm no pilot, so I won't be able to give an accurate assesment, but the few times that I have been fortunate enough to sit in the 'jump seat' I will
56 zkpilot : I'm not advocating it but it would be possible to cross check all the preflight and predeparture stuff as you could have 2 pilots for that with one h
57 Post contains links QF175 : Services are deferred according to the latest press release - source In the meantime it appears Strategic will launch Brisbane to Denpasar/Bali servi
58 aerokiwi : Thanks, appreciate it. Wow Bali servcies from all over are booming.
59 alangirvan : Will these services be competitive against non stop Pacific Blue BNE-DPS flights or JQ one stop flights BNE-DRW-DPS? How many people would fly from B
60 Post contains links thefuture : TT have moved into the Michael O"leary school of outrageous (but FREE) publicity. Standing pax !!! http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?id
61 DJMEL : Guests in Premium Economy on DJ to get Blankets on services over 3hours, this of course red eye services from PER.
62 aerokiwi : Frankly, I'm amazed they don't get this already.
63 Post contains links tayser : http://airlineroute.net/2010/07/08/ca-australia-w10/ effective October 2010. CA PEK-SYD-PEK 4x weekly -> daily CA PEK-PVG-MEL-PVG-PEK 4x weekly -&g
64 747m8te : so after December when PEK goes direct to MEL...will the PVG-MEL service keep the PEK tag on? or just go PVG-MEL?
65 aussieindc : One would hope as it's listed as a new 2x weekly service.
66 Jackbr : Are the Cabin Crew who operate the A330-200's and -300s from the Domestic or International crew division? or both? (I'm not sure if the two divisions
67 ditzyboy : Both divisions are trained to operate the A330s and the 767s. Originally, Qantas planned to have all A330 flights (dom and int) operated by SH (domes
68 gardermoen : The PEK-MEL non-stop is an interesting development. And talk about a long non-stop route as well. So now we have both China Southern and Air China bot
69 Jackbr : Do LH operate any of the domestic 767s? If they don't, I assume Long Haul crew never operate 767RRs
70 ditzyboy : I assume you mean a domestic 767 flight? At Qantas the configuration of the aircraft does not make a difference as to who operates it. LH crew can op
71 ditzyboy : Perth-Darwin-Perth now a Cityflyer product. This route now offers an expanded meal service in Business and an upgraded meal service in Economy (hot br
72 zkpilot : Can't say I've ever seen one on a SYD-AKL in 4 years... maybe to CHC? Most Longhaul crew wouldn't know where to find anything on one!
73 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : Thanks for all that great info ditzyboy Can you shed light then as to who opperates the crew on the QF3/QF4 into and out of HNL ?
74 Post contains links and images ditzyboy : They were used to AKL in 2002-2004. I am quite sure they were used on CHC too. View Large View MediumPhoto © Matthew Johnston
75 ditzyboy : LH crew. SH crew do not have US Visas. All 767 international flying is now done by LH crew. Currently, the only international flying done by SH crew
76 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : Thanks again for the info ditzyboy
77 pugsley : I was just on the airAsia website, trying to see how the swap to newskies had changed its booking facilities. And what i found is that Darwin now appe
78 pugsley : QANTAS GROWS CAPACITY IN WESTERN AUSTRALIA PERTH, 13 July 2010: Qantas announced today it would increase capacity to the North West regional centres o
79 ditzyboy : I wonder what the 'A332 are no good for domestic flights' camp are going to say about that!
80 747m8te : I love flying on the A330s on domestic runs! I like getting them MEL-SYD or SYD-ADL...just wish they were still on domestic duties to BNE!
81 thefuture : JQ launches OOL/ZQN & MEL/ZQN from 20/21JAN (twice a week for each, but aircraft doesn't turn around at ZQN) Wonder is this is the end of QF on ME
82 Post contains links TruemanQLD : Jetstar is set to operate a twice weekly OOL-ZQN. Also Brisbane - Karratha is to go twice weekly (new Wednesday service). source: http://southeastqlda
83 zkpilot : So not for 6 years then... that would have pretty much been the last LH crew saw of them except for paxing duties
84 AirbusA322 : "Meanwhile, Travel Daily reports that Indonesia's Lion Air has said that it plans to fly to Perth and Sydney “in the near future”. The carrier is
85 thefuture : timetable OOL/ZQN JQ221 0845/1515 ZQN/OOL JQ222 0950/1035 MEL/ZQN JQ219 0855/1400 ZQN/MEL JQ220 0950/1115 so not using same aircraft for OZ/ZQN as ZQ
86 DavidByrne : AKL-ZQN-OOL/MEL and MEL/OOL-ZQN-AKL
87 thefuture : So crew are going to have to overnight somewhere ? Or are they using a mix of Australian & NZL crew ie. NZL crew for AKL/ZQN/AKL & another or
88 alangirvan : this is one of the could have beens of Australian aviation. Lion Air was going to have SkyAirWorld operate up to 6 737-900ERs on the Australian regis
89 IndianicWorld : All this is plain insanity. The Bali market is not unlimited, which seems to have been forgotten. The increase in flights over the past few years hav
90 pilotdude09 : The reason this has occurred (a Tuesday and Wednesday flight) is because Rio Tinto FIFO runs Wed to Wed for most positions, so the person can fly in
91 thefuture : Yes but GA & Lion Air must have staff costs about 1/4 (of even less) of JQ & Strategic !!!
92 IndianicWorld : Yes, but still, theres more to it than that. Demand will not rise beyond a point and I fear that that level is being approached. Everyone is seeing i
93 thefuture : My point was Jetstar & Strategic might struggle when Lion gets go ahead, which sounds like a fore gone conclusion, in the presss releases. Surely
94 ANstar : Interesting... how much of a market is there for these flights I wonder?
95 thefuture : If cheap enough people will drive/bus/train/hitchhike from all over SE Qld to fly OOL/ZQN as BNE/ZQN flights are often more expensive than very regul
96 747m8te : Hmmm just looking at Tiger Airways scheds....looks as if LST has been dropped...no flights listed from the end of this month!
97 Post contains links tayser : updated (more detailed) video fly-throughs of MEL's T2 upgrade: departures route: http://www.luminova.net/movies/galle...php?moviePath=./MAP_DepRoute0
98 Post contains links thefuture : Jetstar chief calls to drop passports for NZ http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...or-nz/story-e6frg8zx-1225891816856 he suggested as a start ... "Mr
99 Post contains links Boof : I'm not sure where the source is but according to Ben Sandilands at Plane Talking http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/ there was an announcement
100 Post contains links tayser : confirmed VA is adding 3rd weekly frequency to VA11/12: http://airlineroute.net/2010/07/15/va-mellax-w10/ VA011 MEL1200 – 0730LAX 77W 26 VA011 MEL21
101 ANstar : It has been confirmed for about 3 months.... MEL gets an extra LAX/JNB and HKT flight SYD gets an extra LAX flight
102 NZ107 : My guess is that these will also be fed by Asian traffic. If it's correct that they use OOL and MEL (ie the KIX flight arrives in OOL before the ZQN
103 TN486 : IMHO if TT could not make this route work (profitably), then DJ less so, even with a lower capacity ac.
104 thefuture : It could be because airport charges go up under a honeymoon clause & the yield doesn't justify remaining. Plus, if TT can see another route where
105 TruemanQLD : On Jetstars website, they are offering any Tiger passengers on MEL-LST a $50 Jetstar Travel Voucher. That is pretty good considering they are offering
106 alangirvan : Though Jetstar will be operating SIN-AKL, so traffic for Queenstown can travel on that service. Perhaps some questions as to why Jetstar chose MEL an
107 IndianicWorld : The whole point is to boost available capacity to SIN to connect with Jetstars Asian network, at first, and then to add feed to its European flights,
108 SQ256 : The current US/Canada Transborder arrangement would work very well for Australia and NZ. Clear Customs on the departing end of the Tasman, arrive on
109 Post contains links fuffla : Australia's REX Remains At Top Of Regionals By Adrian Schofield Australia’s Regional Express Holdings is the top-performing regional carrier for the
110 smi0006 : Seems like MEL is growing a fair bit over the last couple of years with a bit more to come by the end of this year: VA above increase CZ from three w
111 IndianicWorld : TK is likely to be SYD or nothing. CI not so sure. Could work. VN seems to be performing fairly well. BI really do seem to have gone quiet AI have no
112 thegeek : I do not know what choice they have. The 767s are ageing and have to go eventually. The only thing which can really take their place is either A330s
113 smi0006 : AI are rumoured to have signed their ground handeling contract last week, have herd that both TollDnata and Menzies have it, but the most trust worth
114 Post contains links tayser : MEL's financial year passenger numbers: http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/A...-VISITORS-FLOCK-TO-MELBOURNE-.html International up 13% to 5.5million D
115 IndianicWorld : Thats a pretty big result, particularly the International increase. The stronger domestic result certainly showed confidence again too in that market
116 MilesDependent : I saw a QF A380 fly past my window at work at 11:30am this morning towarsd 16R (SYD). Doesn't seem to be QF12 ot QF32, would that be perhaps a ferry f
117 Post contains links gardermoen : Quoting tayser (Reply 114): MEL's financial year passenger numbers: http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/A...-VISITORS-FLOCK-TO-MELBOURNE-.html Internat
118 IndianicWorld : In a way they probably still do not. The line will take a lot of investment for a much longer distance than the SYD or BNE ones. SYD's has been a fin
119 Post contains links and images TN486 : QF 6018 MEL - SYD landed 1145. Source: www.airservicesaustralia.com/aviatio...nment/noise/webtrack/locations.asp Click on the Sydney link on the map,
120 MilesDependent : Wow, awesome link. Never seen that before!! Thanks for the heads-up. md
121 thefuture : Tiger appears to have rescheduled it's only morning BNE/MEL from 0855 departure to 1215 from 10AUG, leaving it with no am departure BNE/MEL. That airc
122 ANstar : I believe the main reason it is a disaster finanically is that it is far to expensive! As the airport is so close to the city, it is usually around t
123 NZ107 : Well it is a private line, what do you expect especially if they own it in perpetuity. They can charge what they like and I guess if they can undercu
124 Post contains links Boof : Fair enough, I wonder though was it to do with actual load factor on the route? DJ seemed to go ok for 3 years or more using 73G's until TT came alon
125 ANstar : Id say it is mor elikely that DJ would be the 5.75 and QF 6.25... no way in hell that DJ now have a higher cost base than QF.
126 AirbusA322 : Tiger are cutting capacity this August, in line with the excess capacity thats in the market. Following services cut: ADL-BNE Tu,We ADL-OOL Tu,We SYD
127 pugsley : Qantas has announced to its employees today that as of 1st December 2010 a cabin crew base will be opeing in Adelaide. This would mean Qantas will hav
128 TN486 : What is the rationale (or thinking) behind this projected move?
129 RyanairGuru : How many QF aircraft overnight in CNS? I could only think of two: the early-morning runs to BNE and SYD. Does that really justify its own crew base??
130 travelhound : If you include long haul in the equation, QF probably have lower operating costs. From memory QF's costs per klm on international routes was somethin
131 AirbusA322 : Mass exodus from Tiger! They wont have any problems hiring.
132 thefuture : What do you mean ?
133 747m8te : Staff leaving Tiger... The Skybus works well, and is just as fast as a train would be to the city, and has more frequency then what could be justifie
134 ditzyboy : Massive cost reductions. There is 60-70 odd cabin crew in Adelaide every night. Cabin crew do not always operate as part of the same pattern, meaning
135 IndianicWorld : People have stated there was to be a mass exodus of Tiger staff for ages, yet they still seem to hold on. The ADL base is not doing that well by any m
136 thefuture : Sounds like TR & TT are doing quite well & as they get more aircraft (is it 3 dozen A320's in next 3 years) their unit costs will drop, altho
137 TN486 : ditzyboy, thank you for your definitive explanation, one wonders why this move has not happened earlier.
138 IndianicWorld : TT are in a marketplace that they are being squeezed by all sides, with JQ their main competition. QF and JQ operate in tandem on many TT routes, alon
139 RyanairGuru : Ditzyboy, thank you very much for that: the only reasoning I had come up with was that it had something to do with a previous long-haul base at CNS (a
140 ANstar : I believe JQ do have a CNS base, however they are paid less than the AO counterparts....
141 ditzyboy : Jetstar have Jetstar Domestic crew, Jetstar International crew and Team Jetstar (both domestic and international) crew based in CNS. What a mess! At
142 Jackbr : QF flew 767's to AYQ?
143 Jackbr : With the LAX-JFK-LAX sector of QF107/108 now operated by A332s, to crew still operate the aircraft as a turnaround, or since the A330 lacks horizontal
144 ditzyboy : Yes. 24 or 48 hours. Both.
145 ditzyboy : All the flying mentioned was 73H, except for the 763s to NRT. Sorry, should have been more clear.
146 Jackbr : As it is now an overnight, is it likely that the JFK overnight will become a very senior flight? I recall hearing that Honolulu is one of, if not the,
147 ditzyboy : It will be VERY senior to begin with as it is a 'new' destination. It will still be a senior trip after the novelty wears off. It is senior, but not
148 thefuture : SE QLD base will be next surely with OOL & BNE, if employess lived between them, it would only take 45 or less minutes drive to get to either (mo
149 Post contains images IndianicWorld : I agree that BNE or OOL are favourites to become bases, but not both, unless the Qld govt comes in with big incentives for them. MEL and AVV only cam
150 thefuture : No of course not, BUT OOL & BNE are very close in distance & if Tiger tells crews, that they could be flying out of either & they eg. sho
151 IndianicWorld : Good point. Its a pity that Gold Coasts airport was not built to the north, up towards Coomera, as that would really have been a great location to ta
152 Boof : JQ already do this. OOL & BNE are close enough that JQ have a SE QLD base for both Tech and Cabin Crew. I believe that you can be rostered on to
153 thefuture : Air Asia X, Jetstar Int & others already pul a lot of Brisbane people & even sunshine coast people to OOL. Shows the Southwest 2 hour rule in
154 Post contains links DJ748 : You can forget the use of Amberley - it will never open up to commercial flights. It was quashed just after 9/11 happened. I distinctly remember talk
155 thefuture : Never say never. All it will take is some federal politician to say something like ... elect me & Amberley will become a commercial airport, alon
156 AirbusA322 : Bigger focus is set on Asia also, Tiger SIN will most likely grow to 15-20 Aircraft serving alot of India, China. The third airline could be delayed.
157 thefuture : So base could be OOL/BNE !!!
158 IndianicWorld : Ozjets plans were very ambitious at one stage. Using the BAE146's, they wanted to start routes to Port LIncoln from a Melbourne airport, along the ro
159 ditzyboy : My dream airline operates CR9s and DH4s out of Essendon (among other bases). LOL
160 ANstar : Is this operated with Jetconnect LH AKL crews?
161 Post contains images IndianicWorld : I guess we all have our dream airlines Essendon would be a nightmare in reality. NIMBY residents, flightpath issues because of MEL being nearby and l
162 ditzyboy : Both QAL and Jetconnect crew.
163 alangirvan : Australian cities must be some of the biggest cities in the world that do not have a choice of airport. There are closed runways, like Fishermens Ben
164 alangirvan : There is quite a long thread about Air Berlin joining Oneworld, though most of the discussion is about Air Berlin and their relationship with Northern
165 Post contains links brad330 : Jetstar tipped for NZ direct flights FAR Northern tourism is in for a much-needed boost today with speculation Jetstar will join the direct flight mar
166 Post contains links QF175 : Jetstar will also commence daily A320 services from Melbourne to Auckland from 13 December 2010 according to Travelweekly. Cargolux to suspend servic
167 Post contains links pugsley : It looks like MEL-AKL as well http://www.travelweekly.com.au/articles/B7/0C06B4B7.asp Jetstar to start Auckland-Melbourne flights Jetstar has announc
168 thegeek : Ditzyboy, all your comments above about LH/SH crews etc relate only to cabin crew, is that correct? My understanding is the A330 pilots started out as
169 pugsley : I believe that there was an adelaide base in the past (ie the Ansett Days etc...) as there was a base at almost every major city around the country.
170 IndianicWorld : Its a pity that Cargolux is leaving the MEL market, and also the NZ market too, but I guess at present its a very difficult time. With more and more p
171 thegeek : Not so sure about that. Freight demand is increasing too, I suppose the only question is: which grows faster? Not sure what the locals will think abo
172 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Freight demand might be increasing, but yields are still low. Freight in pax jets can offer better prices in many cases, as there is a balance of rev
173 thegeek : As have pax operators though. Isn't Richmond now jet-less with the 707s being gone? Or did C-17s or something get based there instead.
174 IndianicWorld : Yes, but the point is that it is more economically to have a balanced revenue stream. C-17s are now used there, along with the Hercules planes too. E
175 DJ748 : The C-17's may be used there, but are based in Amberley close to Ipswich - I live not even 15 minutes from the RAAF base at Amberley, and often see t
176 IndianicWorld : The fact is that Amberley is becoming the RAAF 'superbase'. The role that Richmond plays is falling in the priority list, which will mean that most o
177 Post contains links jetfuel : Oh please NO! http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...domestic-australian-operation.html "Malaysia-based AirAsia is evaluating whether to launch a dome
178 IndianicWorld : I second the 'Oh Please NO!' motion. The market is not ready for another carrier. DJ is moving into another sector to try and broaden its market posi
179 pugsley : I disagree, I would love to see "AirAsiaAustralia". The product ofering that AirAsia have, such as pre-booked hot meals on all flights, blanket packs
180 IndianicWorld : The fact that labour costs in this country are higher means that Air Asia will need to look at dropping some of those value-adds to make cash. TT is
181 pilotdude09 : I believe Qantas launches it's next gen check in, in Perth today......going to be interesting to see how it all pans out. It seems to work for NZ and
182 allrite : You can prepay for hot meals (though not select them), entertainment and amenity packs, including a blanket, on Jetstar's long haul services. I will
183 Post contains links and images QF175 : Brindabella Airlines - looking at Sydney to Cobar services Source Brindabella has certainly grown it's network over the past few years: Regional Expre
184 IndianicWorld : It certainly has grown, however it is strange that there is very little overlap of services there. CBR has 2 routes, with BNE having 3 services, howe
185 Boof : Has anyone noticed that TT are currently advertising airfares as $2.15 fare + $26.80 airport charges = $28.95 total fare. I'm not sure why they are do
186 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Just goes to show how much the airlines actually get from their fares. Most look at a fare and say that it should be cheaper, but taxes can get quite
187 Boof : Yeah I totally agree with your point here, I think what airports charge really stinks but that is how it is sadly. It is interesting to note the fees
188 eta unknown : I was at the BNE domestic terminal on Tue and overheard a meeting with BNE Airport staff on why Tiger preferred to board pax using stairs at the commo
189 PITrules : Not so much.. things are booming in the cargo business and the reality is these carriers can't get capacity fast enough. Looking at the news release
190 NZ107 : That's the one thing I'd like to see down under. I don't think they'd be putting the 748 on a route down here for a while though, there are other rou
191 IndianicWorld : We can only hope. Cargolux has downsized its fleet in the last couple of years, so effective use of resources is important. As stated earlier though,
192 brad330 : Today I was talking to a Friend from Jetstar and he said that they were looking at operaiting the following routes with there 787-8's when they arrive
193 eta unknown : Although JQ operates independently of QF, I can see big brother putting a stop to any LAX/LHR desires. LAS I can see happening especially if they prov
194 DavidByrne : Interesting list, but does Australia have an agreement with Japan that would allow fifth freedoms on Japan to Europe services? And what about the rum
195 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Sydney-Vancouver - Already competitive, but possible Sydney-Las Vegas - Tell him hes dreaming Sydney-Seatle - Possible, but it will be either YVR or
196 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Good to hear things are moving along. can you give a ballpark figure of the amount on offer?
197 jetfuel : Sydney-Vancouver Seasonal Maybe Sydney-Las Vegas Possible tourist market Sydney-Seatle Not likely Sydney-Mauritius Never Sydney-Phuket-London (Heathro
198 IndianicWorld : Sydney-Las Vegas is just too far of a stretch to make work. It sounds good, but I wouls suspect that all it would do is eat into QF's SFO or LAX loads
199 smi0006 : I'm not sure of your source but this is not accurate. A friend of mine applied for one of the positions, however was informed this week that all inte
200 Post contains links QF175 : Please continue all discussion in the following thread: Australian Aviation Thread # 38 Cheers
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