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Not Official: EK To Change J Seats On A380  
User currently offlineuaeflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14154 times:

I was talking to one of EK executives who have responsibility of the airline interior department. He said that from A6-EDK they will introduce a new Business class seats, as the airline is not happy with the current configuration.
Any one from Emirates can confirm this.
I personally didn't like the J seats on the A380. If it was like that , it means the first 10 A380 will have the current business class seats (or old) and from aircraft number 11 onward a new seats will be fitted.
can anyone confirm , how would the new seats look like ?

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User currently offlineash185 From New Zealand, joined Apr 2009, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14087 times:

Yeah i agree. Ive only been on EKs A332 business class seats which obviously dont compare to the A380 seats but the A380 J seats look quite cramped and i hate the colour scheme as well.
Are there basically the same as Etihad?

I wouldnt be at all surprised if they change the seats again, they have so many different j seats even though they are retrofitting aircrafts. They should really spend more time at all planning their J seats and providing more consistency. to me the only thing that was "revolutionary" in terms of their product was their first class suites on their A345 years ago When they got their A345s their biz seats were cradle style while other airlines already had lie flat seats and , when they got their 77Ws again cradle of different style and not too long after they brought in lie-flat.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8283 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14076 times:
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Whatever shape the "new" J class A380 seats take, they should be 6 abreast on the upper deck like Qantas, Air France and Lufthansa. 8 per row is for economy on teh upper deck of an A380.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13804 times:

I haven't actually experienced them (well, not yet!), but they look great - with lots of privacy. What are the main faults people have with them?

Is it anticipated that, when EK introduces a regional version of the 380 (with 600+ seats) that it will have different J Class seats from the long haul version?


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8283 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13704 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):

I haven't actually experienced them (well, not yet!), but they look great - with lots of privacy. What are the main faults people have with them?

Emirates has 8 sets per row on teh upper deck for J class, airlines with economy on their upper decks have 8 seats per row. The seats can't physically be any wider which is why several A380 operators have 6 per row in J class(AF, LH and QF) on the upper decks. SQ has 4 seats per row.


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13628 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
SQ has 4 seats per row.

Not a fair comparison with QF and others as SQ relies on tight pitch and diagonal sleeping position, whilst QF's 6 are 200cm pitch with straight flat sleeping position.



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User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13541 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
8 per row is for economy on teh upper deck of an A380.
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Emirates has 8 sets per row on teh upper deck for J class


EK does not have 8 seats per row.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Emi.../Emirates_Airlines_Airbus_A380.php


User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13528 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Emirates has 8 sets per row on teh upper deck for J class, airlines with economy on their upper decks have 8 seats per row. The seats can't physically be any wider

The seats are staggered, so the seat itself is wider and the legspace narrower.



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User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1159 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13470 times:

we have not recieved any updates within the crew departments regarding this


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User currently onlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8503 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13374 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Emirates has 8 sets per row on teh upper deck for J class, airlines with economy on their upper decks have 8 seats per row

- Yes but because the seats are off set, it does not feel like a cramped set up, at least that was my experience.



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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1038 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13297 times:
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Ia Orana All !

I travelled on the 380 in business class and I felt very comfortable, not cramped at all. I rather like the seat actually.

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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13037 times:

I always thought that EK's layout was very clever, every passenger has direct access to the aisle, unlike at LH, but they they can fit in more seats than SQ, were also every pax has direct aisle access. So why change it?

EY has this layout on their A340s, too. I like it. Only drawback is that the seats are rather narrow compared to what others offer.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12049 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
I haven't actually experienced them (well, not yet!), but they look great - with lots of privacy. What are the main faults people have with them?

Yeah, they look better to me than the 777 seats.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Emirates has 8 sets per row on teh upper deck for J class

Not really since it is staggered. DL also has 8 seats per row on their 767s, if you count that as a row. But in both cases, if you look at how they are numbered, there are only four per row.



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User currently offlinebombayhog From United States of America, joined May 2001, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11228 times:

I had the chance to test out the J seats on the A380 when I went for a look round the plane while flying F (J class was more or less empty on that flight.) I really value the way they give aisle access to all passengers--I think that's really important in a good J class. However, the seats do feel small. And actually, at that time I noticed that certain seats in the cabin had more of a feeling of space than others. Can't say for sure if that was an illusion or not. I certainly wouldn't mind flying in the seats, and I was probably a little bit biased having been in the F suite just beforehand (so anything would have felt smaller), but I thought they were definitely narrow and would only suit certain people (i.e. smaller ones.)

User currently offlinechrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10800 times:

The numbers speak for themselves, I don't understand how people constantly defend them when it's clearly obvious the entire J class section is like a sardine can.

From seatguru.com


EK A380

Business Class: seats A,E,F,K: Pitch 48" upright / 79" flat
seats B,D,G,J: Pitch 39" upright / 70" flat - seat width 18.5" (SQ Economy seat is wider than this)

SQ A380

Business Class: Pitch 55.0" Seat Width 34.0"

QF A380
Business Class: Pitch 80.0" Seat Width 21.5"



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User currently offlineronerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10572 times:

There are also rumors that the Business Class bar and lounge may be eliminated from some new aircraft as it is not practical for certain flights such as ICN.

This makes sense, and in fact i was not expecting the higher density medium-hall aircraft to have this feature for instance.

As for the J class seating, i personally found it to be very comfortable and quite private. The cabin itself may look and feel cramped, but they is because there are over 70 J seats! .. I think these seats are fine for long and ultra-long haul flights.

Perhaps these are not total changes per se, but maybe the following A380's that EK will start to recieve are the higher density ones? Does anyone know when these aircaft are supposed to make an appearance?

Considering EK's different configs on their main fleet, i would assume the same will apply to the A380 anyways. Besides, EK will need to start deploying some A380's to the Indian Subcontinent, KUL, CGK, Egypt, etc soon where it would only make sense to have high-density seating.


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R



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

Quoting bombayhog (Reply 13):
but I thought they were definitely narrow and would only suit certain people (i.e. smaller ones.)

I have been on the EK380 J class. They seem narrow because each of them is like a cabin in itself. Had there been no cabin 'walls' it would seem roomier. Trust me, I am not a 'smaller one' and felt comfortable sitting/sleeping on those lie flats. Plus the aisle access is the biggest blessing......... besides, no one gets to see what you are upto on yuor IFE.... (say if you feel like seeing your holiday pictures on the big screen, you dont end up showing it to all around.........)

Quoting ronerone (Reply 15):
Business Class bar and lounge may be eliminated from some new aircraft as it is not practical for certain flights such as ICN.

I think you mean on the JED route. I may be missing something but why a bar is not practical on flights to ICN? There are plenty of people who like to hang around a bar (free booze) whatever time of day......


User currently offlineronerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8944 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 16):
I think you mean on the JED route. I may be missing something but why a bar is not practical on flights to ICN? There are plenty of people who like to hang around a bar (free booze) whatever time of day......

JED is a given for obvious reasons.
But some crew say that the lounge isn't used too much on ICN flights as well.

Anyways, some heard the lounge may go, others assure that it isn't, so nothing is official yet.



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User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1159 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8875 times:

i can assure you that the lounge is used on most of the destinations, even on jedda. it is not the fact that alchohol is available or not, it is the fact of wanting to see the lounge. i work down stairs in economy but on the times i have been pulled out to operate on business, the lounge gets really busy. many customers have booked A380 flight just to be able to use the lounge. it is a very nice feature, something to change being at your seat and be able to walk around.


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User currently offlineNZerinDXB From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2008, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8827 times:

Let's be honest here folks...It's a great product. When it comes to Jcl seating everyone has an opinion and like anything subjectivity prevails. Unless you're obese, you could never class the EK 380 offering as cramped and it has excellent privacy while also providing good segregation for couples travelling together in the middle seats.

[Edited 2010-06-26 22:23:41]

User currently offlineag92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8604 times:

Quoting NZerinDXB (Reply 19):
Let's be honest here folks...It's a great product. When it comes to Jcl seating everyone has an opinion and like anything subjectivity prevails. Unless you're obese, you could never class the EK 380 offering as cramped and it has excellent privacy while also providing good segregation for couples travelling together in the middle seats.

The fundamental problem is the width of the seat, and at 18.5 inches, as an economy class traveler as someone has already said I can expect a greater seat width in economy, sure I wont get the recline, I'll get the width, and then we have QF who offers more pitch and more width than what emirates offer, I mean thats pretty amazing if you ask me


User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8587 times:
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Quoting ag92 (Reply 20):
The fundamental problem is the width of the seat, and at 18.5 inches,

I have to say that it felt a lot wider than that to me - are you talking about the width at the shoulders or at the feet ?



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User currently offlineNZerinDXB From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2008, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7895 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 21):
have to say that it felt a lot wider than that to me

Agree, with you...certainly doesn't feel like you're in a Ycl width seat. Again it comes down to personal preference. I know that QF do offer a 180 degree lie flat. Their Skybed is 80'' long which compares to EK 78'' - hardly going to change the purchasing decision of the vast majority.

ag92 - Interested to understand whether you've actually experienced the QF product and can make a direct comparison. I've had a quick check and can't see their seat width publishied on QF.com.au. Certainly the seat doesn't look a whole lot wider - I'm sure any difference is negligable, but again this like so many other aspects of inflight product/service is a subjective matter.

From an overall product perspective EK offer the huge advantage of a PTV which is a full 5'' larger.


User currently offlineEKGOLD From Australia, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 7511 times:

having flown the EK A380 product many times both ULH and LH i am curious as to the claims posted so far. it is a great layout when travelling with your spouse/partner (the two middle seats in the set up) and if you are travelling alone, especially ULH, the window seats offer superb privacy to get on with sleeping... the feeling of a lack of space could be down to the amount of privacy built into the product. I for one are not looking for any changes in the current set up...

User currently offlineSlinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 823 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 7457 times:

I've found the EK J seat to be very comfortable, no feeling at all of being cramped and there's lots of space for stuff.

The cabin layout could be changed for the better however, placing the kitchen right at the back is a problem in terms of service times and that it is behind the bar / lounge and loos. Speaking to a steward on board I was told that EK are looking at this.


25 chrisrad : I would hardly call a seat that is narrower than an economy seat a "great product" From Australia EK is hardly cheap, when there are other airlines o
26 Post contains images Thorben : This seems very strange to me. Are half of the seats really 9" longer than the other half? A lot of people will probably complain about that. That ma
27 ag92 : My stats were based from an earlier post, not my own experience, but if I had an option for EK J, after looking at those stats, I'd give it a pass
28 airpearl : So am I. I know it's all a matter of personal preference but as someone who's tried it, I certainly think the EK A380 J configuration (which is basic
29 ssides : Having flown in J on both the EK 777-200LR and the EK A380, I must say that I strongly prefer the 777-200LR. The seat seems wider and roomier, and eve
30 NZerinDXB : Who said it's narrower? Not sure what Economy Class offering you're comparing to?! At the end of the day fare levels are driven by supply and demand.
31 Post contains links and images profcalvin : View Large View MediumPhoto © Konstantin Von Wedelstaedt The above picture shows clearly that while you may argue that since they are "staggered" the
32 chrisrad : SQ A380 Economy Class seats are 19" wide, as compared to the EK A380 18.5" wide Business class seats, does that clarify?
33 Thorben : What's even better is that SQ's business class seat is 34" wide while EK's first class seat is only 23" wide.
34 chrisrad : Well pretty much any airlines business class seats are wider than EK's on the A380, take away the cheap wood and novelty personal bar and give me a w
35 Post contains links and images UAEflyer : The aircraft is flying now and fitted with the interiors, can anyone confirm if there is changes in it. View Large View MediumPhoto © Lars Hentschel
36 sutrakhk : Oh are you serious? But SQ's new economy seats on 77W/A380 are even narrower than those on SQ's old 772. That's make me want to try EK A380's Busines
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