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OS Long Haul Expansion  
User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8400 times:

Does anyone know if Austrian Airlines is expanding its longhaul fleet and adding more long haul destinations? There seems to be rumours of the airline resuming new flights to India. Is ord back on their radar and can they make their long haul network work again?

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User currently offlinekinglobjaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8397 times:

I heard ORD may return!

-Kinglobjaw



Kinglobjaw
User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8317 times:

As OS belongs to the LH group, I think LH will distribute destinations among their subsidiaries.

LH: worldwide
SN: mainly Africa, so expansion in Africa
OS: near East, mainly aiming at Middle East and Near Asia (India)
LX: tricky. LX is strong to certain parts of Africa, but also strong to GRU and BKK... (and off course stong also on their Switzerland-USA connections).

So to reply to the original question, I see OS concentrate to Middle East and Indian Subcontinent. ORD might be introduced, but expansion to the west is not very likely, I think.

[Edited 2010-06-26 10:12:57]


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8281 times:

Since LH group does not fly to Australia at all, perhaps OS should return to SYD? Does OS fly to HKG still?

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8222 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 2):
LX: tricky. LX is strong to certain parts of Africa, but also strong to GRU and BKK...

Actually LX is also almost worldwide at least to all continents besides Australia. LX has a few fare East destinations as BKK, HKG, PVG, NRT and also DEL and BOM in India. And eight North American Destinations (BOS, JFK, EWR, MIA, ORD, LAX, SFO, YUL). In the LH group LX is by fare no 2 in long-haul traffic with 25 frames (soon 10 333 and 15 343).


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8185 times:

Does OS even have enough planes to start new long haul flights, because i noticed they have only 6 old 767 and 4 777s.

User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8099 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 4):
Actually LX is also almost worldwide at least to all continents besides Australia. LX has a few fare East destinations as BKK, HKG, PVG, NRT and also DEL and BOM in India. And eight North American Destinations (BOS, JFK, EWR, MIA, ORD, LAX, SFO, YUL). In the LH group LX is by fare no 2 in long-haul traffic with 25 frames (soon 10 333 and 15 343).

There, I agree. My earlier post might have sounded a bit against LX, but I am very positive about them. In LH hierarchy, LX is n° 2 for sure, before any other airline.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
Since LH group does not fly to Australia at all, perhaps OS should return to SYD? Does OS fly to HKG still?

Don't think there is any future in OS serving Australia. There are multiple options from Europe already via more direct routing. VIE-Australia would mean stop in KUL/SIN/BKK. With QR/EK/EY, you have a more direct route from most European big cities. So no, no Australia flights in sight I'm afraid.

I think OS should focus on East Europe, Middle East and Indian Subcontinent. Are there any long haul destination with a big VFR traffic? Than this should be added as well...



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12432 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8080 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
Since LH group does not fly to Australia at all, perhaps OS should return to SYD? Does OS fly to HKG still?

I doubt this; they would probably feed into TG's and SQ's Australian networks, which are very strong.

OS will be very careful with long haul; its losses in this market caused very serious problems for the airline a few years back, from which it is still recovering. Their fleet, as Miaintl points out, is quite small - and old. The 767s will need to be replaced (although they have been refitted with new IFE), but in order to justify the investment in a new fleet, the airline will need to make its existing long haul profitable before it expands.

I think we will see LH place a significant and large order for new long haul aircraft - for LX, SN, OS (and itself of course) and all members of the group will be assigned aircraft from this; personally, I see the 788/789 as ideally sized for OS's needs.


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7962 times:

Speaking of which, does anyone know how Mia- Muc is doing as a flight, loads wise? I say this because i heard rumours theat OS is planning to start Mia service, the link was brought up a couple of weeks ago. Same goes with Ord, considering that Mia and Ord know have service to all three LH hubs plus and LX servoce, would it be overkill to add an Os service as well?

User currently offlineScorp82 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

Quoting miaintl (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if Austrian Airlines is expanding its longhaul fleet and adding more long haul destinations? There seems to be rumours of the airline resuming new flights to India. Is ord back on their radar and can they make their long haul network work again?
Quoting kinglobjaw (Reply 1):
I heard ORD may return!

There are indeed rumors that ORD may return to the network. Additionally the rumors also point to MIA becoming a future destination as well. In Asia, HKT is also allegedly being evaluated.


Per the link below pertaining to an Austrian Airlines press release, frequencies to DEL will be increased to six times per week effective the Winter 2010/2011 timetable.

Flights to BOM will commence on 31 October 2010 and will be operated five times per week.

OS35 VIE-BOM 1040-2330 12-4-67

OS36 BOM-VIE 0145-0540 123-56-



http://www.austrianairlines.ag/Press...8975E-8FBF-41EA-9CF8-DA765DFA8779}

[Edited 2010-06-26 11:24:53]

User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7823 times:

I think OS should expand its long haul fleet, because they offer what no other airline does: extensive network to Central and Eastern Europe. LH should really invest heavily in this airlines.

User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7751 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 10):
I think OS should expand its long haul fleet, because they offer what no other airline does: extensive network to Central and Eastern Europe. LH should really invest heavily in this airlines.

Is the East European network really that much more than what LH offers? Most destinations are served by both of then, no? Please tell me if not so.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7713 times:

Quoting Scorp82 (Reply 9):
There are indeed rumors that ORD may return to the network.
Quoting Scorp82 (Reply 9):
Flights to BOM will commence on 31 October 2010 and will be operated five times per week.

There is plenty of low yield VFR traffic between ORD-BOM.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7651 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 8):
considering that Mia and Ord know have service to all three LH hubs

What do you consider as the third LH hub? LH has two hubs, FRA and MUC and with LX ZRH as a third one. DUS is not a hub but a focus city with some long-haul flights.


User currently offlinejustplanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7598 times:

Heard they were going to add 1 city in the US and were picking between BOSTON and MIAMI...

User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7448 times:

Sure they were not going to choose Chicago again? Boston over Miami, ill give Mia the edge due that its a strong performer for LH and LX, however it is a very expensive airport to operate from and this might cause OS to choose Boston.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32734 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7304 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 15):
Boston over Miami, ill give Mia the edge due that its a strong performer for LH and LX, however it is a very expensive airport to operate from and this might cause OS to choose Boston.

Boston is also a very expensive airport to operate from, and for a long-haul carrier, those costs are pretty negligent.

Miami is a larger local market, with a larger market to Eastern Europe.



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6995 times:

Mark, i remember you showing us the austrian link that states the arrival of these new services. Do you exactly know what it said, i dont read German.

User currently offlineOlympicATH From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 13):
What do you consider as the third LH hub? LH has two hubs, FRA and MUC and with LX ZRH as a third one. DUS is not a hub but a focus city with some long-haul flights.

A bit off topic but it seems Lufthansa now considers DUS a true hub. Check out their website (Our hubs in Frankfurt, Munich, Dusseldorf and Zurich) :

http://www.lufthansa.com/us/en/Our-hubs-in-Frankfurt-Munich-and-Zurich


User currently offlineORDFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

Quoting kinglobjaw (Reply 1):
I heard ORD may return!
Quoting Scorp82 (Reply 9):
There are indeed rumors that ORD may return to the network

Great to hear that (again), but given that they've come and gone a few times already, what has changed on either a micro (within OS) or on a macro level (globally/economically) since the last time they left that would lead them to be believe that they can be viable here long-term??


User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6069 times:

ORD is much more realistic than BOS, ATL, DFW, IAH, DTW, CVG, etc.

While this has been tried in the past, it was not with LH management in charge. LH will make this route work.


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

I hope they come to Miami soon, because that flight would make it easy for people to transfer onto Eastern European destinations. The rumour of this new routes was mentione don an austrian aviation website, however I dont know how reliable the source is.

User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Did OS' financial situation get already in such better order?

I think they should focus on fleet utilization. Definitely it seems they allocated market is mainly things East of VIE, and not too far from VIE also.

If anything they are not covering the Near East that well with an important dot such as BEY still not back on their map. With ME in expansion mode and the LH group without flights to Lebanon anywhere East of FRA, it would be a good addition to (re-)establish a MUC/VIE or ZRH route to BEY. Something's telling me VIE is a good candidate for ME's return in the region as they already cover FRA and GVA and have little interest in MUC.



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