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UA Pilot Shows His Underwear In Brazil  
User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19058 times:

Was detained but eventually, released to fly back to the U.S.A.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/lt_brazil_pantless_pilot

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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19038 times:

Before this discussion continues, please stick to the topic, as the earlier thread was deleted because it was hijacked almost immediately into a discussion about airport security in the US and in Canada.

User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2731 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19038 times:

I'm amazed the pilot was released to fly. Would you want to fly whre the pilot looks like he's lost it?

[Edited 2010-06-26 14:57:41 by srbmod]

User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 5374 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18975 times:

I don't understand the problem. Are pilots not asked to remove their belts when going through security in the US like the rest of us?

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 2):
I'm amazed the pilot was released to fly. Would you want to fly whre the pilot looks like he's lost it?

Indeed. The reaction seems a bit over the top.



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User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1487 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18870 times:

Much more to this story. Also, the name is incorrect. It was similar to, but not SLYNN.

User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3443 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18801 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
I don't understand the problem. Are pilots not asked to remove their belts when going through security in the US like the rest of us?

No. We have to if they beep, but the assumption is that we've been through enough detectors to know if our buckle will trip the buzzer, and if we want to destroy the airplane we've got easier ways to go about it than blowing up our shoes.



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 5374 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18743 times:

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 5):
No. We have to if they beep, but the assumption is that we've been through enough detectors to know if our buckle will trip the buzzer, and if we want to destroy the airplane we've got easier ways to go about it than blowing up our shoes.

Interesting. Thanks for the input.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18669 times:

One must always remember that in Brazil contempt is a crime when dealing with any public official, not only the police force or judiciary officials. So, beware.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18526 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 4):
Much more to this story. Also, the name is incorrect. It was similar to, but not SLYNN.

My initial thoughts as well. I would like to hear more about this from another source as well.



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User currently offlineVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18272 times:

Mehhh, a little bit of lighthearted fun imo. The world needs to chill out!

User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1161 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 16305 times:

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 5):
No. We have to if they beep, but the assumption is that we've been through enough detectors to know if our buckle will trip the buzzer, and if we want to destroy the airplane we've got easier ways to go about it than blowing up our shoes.

there is a saying that says "when in rome do as the romans do", the US might have it easy for the pilots, but when operating to another country, its customary to respect their regulations. I for example, usually dont take off my ID nor my shoes, nor my belt in dubai or any other destination and it doesnt beep, but when they ask me to do so before i go through the machine, i just do it.



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User currently offlinetennis69 From Qatar, joined Apr 2007, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15714 times:
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Good thing he remembered his underwear that day!

User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15460 times:

As far as I know, Brazilians in general have a very relaxed attitude to the amount of flesh that's on display, so (if you pardon the pun), the problem here seems to be the pilot being a smarty pants.....


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User currently offlineselwoode From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14096 times:

A point to remember - its alot easier for an airport security official to ruin your day as pax or crew than it is for you to ruin theres - remember that song 'Be polite to the Police - dont have an attitude

User currently offlinethrufru From Marshall Islands, joined Feb 2009, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12985 times:

I almost did that in BOS about 4 years ago. I had a uniform, shoes and belt included, that didn't cause the detector to beep. One day, I showed up at work and proceeded to go through as usual. Turns out that the magnetometer had been recalibrated, so everything had to come off. When I took off my belt, I absentmindedly started to undo my pants. The security guard started laughing and said something along the lines of not wanting me to go that far, though one of the female guards urged me to continue. At least I was wearing boxers!

User currently offlinerottenray From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10487 times:

Quoting Virgin744 (Reply 9):
Mehhh, a little bit of lighthearted fun imo. The world needs to chill out!


Totally agree. Too many people walking around looking for something to get postal over these days.


Just a thought... If he's lost a bit of weight recently, it's possible his pants just followed gravity.

But

Quote:
In response, Slynn laughed at security guards and lowered his pants to his ankles

seems to say differently.

Quoting thrufru (Reply 15):
When I took off my belt, I absentmindedly started to undo my pants

   Old habits are hard to break.


RR


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9900 times:

It's really not a question of airport security or anything. People get arrested in Brazil because of contempt all the time. It's a posture by the police and many public officials not to endure the slightest sign of mockery, derision or disrespect. It's a cultural thing justified by the social-historic construct of the country.

[Edited 2010-06-27 09:22:28]

User currently offlinevoar From Canada, joined Jul 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9706 times:

Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 12):As far as I know, Brazilians in general have a very relaxed attitude to the amount of flesh that's on display, so (if you pardon the pun), the problem here seems to be the pilot being a smarty pants.....


No culture allows people to drop their pants in a public place such as an airport, thats just wrong. This pilot being in a position of authority should have known better. He would have been arrested just as easily in the USA or Europe or anywhere else for that kind of display.

[Edited 2010-06-27 09:37:59]

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9298 times:

Quoting voar (Reply 17):
No culture allows people to drop their pants in a public place such as an airport, thats just wrong. This pilot being in a position of authority should have known better. He would have been arrested just as easily in the USA or Europe or anywhere else for that kind of display.

Yes, I agree. I was trying to explain that even if it were an accident or a humorous joke that wasn't perceived as such, he would have been arrested in any situation anywhere, not only at the airport.


User currently offlineDanVS From Brazil, joined Jul 2009, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9073 times:

Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 12):
Brazilians in general have a very relaxed attitude to the amount of flesh that's on display

Definitely NOT in airports.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 16):
People get arrested in Brazil because of contempt all the time. It's a posture by the police and many public officials not to endure the slightest sign of mockery, derision or disrespect.

I find this law (yes, it's a law) perfect when it comes to people such as this pilot.
It's good to remember this isn't the first time an American pilot has problems with the Brazilian Federal Police. I guess everybody recalls the AA pilot (Mr. Hirsh) who showed his middle finger to the camera while passing through customs.
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-01-15-brazil-arrest_x.htm


User currently offlineBigSaabowski From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8673 times:

Quoting voar (Reply 17):


No culture allows people to drop their pants in a public place such as an airport, thats just wrong. This pilot being in a position of authority should have known better. He would have been arrested just as easily in the USA or Europe or anywhere else for that kind of display.

What about the subway?

http://improveverywhere.com/2010/01/18/no-pants-subway-ride-2010/


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8515 times:

It was unacceptable in my opinion. Completely unacceptable.
The pilots are well aware of millions of ordinary people going through the same procedures all around the world.
It is hard (even if well organized how here at DME for example) - but it is something we can't avoid.
We, Russians, perfectly remember of 2 aircraft exploded in midair by suicide terrorists. At the same time.
And I don't see anything funny in the pilot's actions.
What do we, pax, should think of all security burdens if pilots behave themselves like this?


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5522 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

What a disgrace! He should be detained and starved for days! I'm no longer flying UA because of this incident.

Signed,
The uptights of a.net

 


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5958 times:

Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 12):
, Brazilians in general have a very relaxed attitude to the amount of flesh that's on display, so (if you pardon the pun), the problem here seems to be the pilot being a smarty pants.....

Your perpection is a full mistake. A large proportion of the Brazilian society is extremely conservative, especially those associated with the church or right wing, and they comprise a significant group of the society. It is wrong to assume that all Brazilians are liberals and have an open attitute, as in the US a considerable amount of the society is conservative, and have been consistently against such issues as homossexual marriage or even carnaval parties. Only pockets of society in bigger towns such as Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro have a more liberal and progressive view, but even in such places a good share of society is quite conservative.

Anyway, I think you have missed the point since the pilot can clearly be considered a public offender.


US pilot detained for showing underwear in Brazil

By EDUARDO GALLARDO
Associated Press Writer

SAO PAULO (AP) -- A United Airlines pilot was briefly detained at the international airport in Rio de Janeiro after lowering his pants during a security screening, police said Saturday.

Pilot Michael D. Slynn, 49, was asked to remove his belt and shoes as part of a routine security screening Friday afternoon. In response, Slynn laughed at security guards and lowered his pants to his ankles, said a police spokesman who was prohibited by departmental rules from giving his name.

Slynn was detained but released shortly afterward and allowed to fly back to Washington, D.C., after signing a document promising to appear before a judge the next time he is in Brazil, the spokesman said.

Calls to United Airlines in Brazil were not immediately returned. When asked for comment, Sarah Massier, a spokeswoman for the Chicago-based company, wrote in an e-mail, "We are investigating the matter."

Two telephone numbers listed for a Michael Slynn, in California and Florida, respectively, were disconnected or could not take messages Saturday.

Federal Police Chief Rafael Andreatta was quoted by the Internet site of the Brazilian newspaper O Globo as saying the pilot "did not respect security rules and made fun of officers."

It was not the first time an American pilot has gotten into trouble for allegedly responding inappropriately to Brazil's airport security measures.

In 2004, American Airlines pilot Dale Robin Hersh was fined $13,000 for allegedly giving the finger as he was being photographed at Sao Paulo's Guarulhos International Airport. The photograph was among entry requirements for U.S. citizens implemented by Brazil at the time in response to similar rules in the United States.

Police accused Hersh of showing contempt for authorities and took him to a federal courthouse. Hersh agreed to a prosecutor's offer to pay a fine in exchange for no charges being filed against him.

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Associated Press Writer Sophia Tareen in Chicago contributed to this report.



User currently offlineKaiTakfan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1588 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5539 times:

I think the reaction might have been a tad bit over the top to drop the pants down to the ankles, but then again none of us really know what was said between the pilot and the security agents. I sometimes get a bit frustrated here in the USA when some places demand my crew badge be taken out of the plastic holder, while most dont. And then you get some airports where you dont go through security at all. Some metal detectors dont like my belt, others do... I guess my point is, it gets old really fast with so many discrepancies between security screenings. All it takes is one smart ass comment or nasty attitude from a security agent to a crew member who has been doing this for the past 15 years and the next thing you know situations like this can happen.

25 Pacifique75 : It is interesting that very often on incidents like this we never really get to know the facts. As a F/A who flies regularly into the USA, all I can s
26 AFGMEL : I know a lot of things don't translate and if I ever do visit Brazil, I will take care not make jokes to anyone, but I thought it was obvious that a
27 Post contains images gaystudpilot : Boxers or briefs? Seriously, absolutely inappropriate. Disrespectful to those trying to so their jobs... to passengers around him... and to his profes
28 voar : I don't think anyone is suggesting that you not post. It's just that there seems to be a stereotype created in western media about Brazil that is jus
30 30west : This is what I love about Anet the majority blames the individual without any knowledge or proof.so here is the real story This story is typical Brazi
31 C010T3 : It's incredible that he would reach for a badge that means nothing in Brazil while he was holding his pants up. "TSA" agents are not authority offici
32 hardiwv : Which is the procedure is any decent airport worldwide. It is the international media version. As pointed out above, customs agents in Brazil have no
33 pylon101 : Obviously this view on the event changes everything. If he did not do it on purpose - but as a result of misunderstanding and particular sequence of s
34 hardiwv : O Globo is a first tier and extremely respectable newspaper in Brazil, I would say probably among the top 4 in Brazil (certainly one that I read ever
35 migair54 : That´s why my mum always say that people must wear always nice and clean underwear........you never know what´s going to happen.........
36 AM744 : Pretty lame. He needs to remember that most over the top security procedures are demanded by US authorities. He barked at the wrong tree.
37 lowrider : I have this problem with some steel parts that were added following an injury. Usually showing the scars is enough and allowing that area to be wande
38 borism : Why in the World would you trust newspaper (however respectable) more than a first hand account, pretty plausible at that?
39 C010T3 : First, the story is not plausible at all. It's very evident that someone is trying to spin the story.
40 Post contains images hamad : here in dubai, whenever i travel as a pax or crew to destinations other than the USA, i only get screened once before entering the secured area. come
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