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UA / LH / VS / Others On ORD-MAN  
User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

AA seems to have left ORD-MAN open for the taking. Will anyone respond?

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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32688 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Why is it open for the taking?

With AA/BA's upcoming ATI, this route will only be strengthened.

AA downgraded the route to a 75L because of the launch of JFK-MAN in a slow travel market, allowing AA to add frequency without adding too much capacity.

It is a good candidate to return to a 763 next summer.



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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3284 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Why is it open for the taking?

With AA/BA's upcoming ATI, this route will only be strengthened.

AA downgraded the route to a 75L because of the launch of JFK-MAN in a slow travel market, allowing AA to add frequency without adding too much capacity.

It is a good candidate to return to a 763 next summer.

With downgrading to a 757, they've also left the cargo market all to US Airways who use the 333 to MAN.

Or was cargo never big business on MAN-ORD?



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

I would not be surprised after the merger to see UA enter the market, although I would say its certainly not top of their list

User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2884 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

I wonder if BD will ever return to the MAN-ORD route...


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User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

I still think UA/LH/* could add this route as well as AA/BA/IB increasing capacity. Also, I think SQ can make and ORD-MAN-SIN flight work, as long as UA cooperates.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 2):

With downgrading to a 757, they've also left the cargo market all to US Airways who use the 333 to MAN.

US Airways never flew ORD-MAN.....BD used to fly the route until a couple of years ago..  



PK used to fly Pakistan-MAN-ORD but they ended the route in 2008 as well. PK as of a couple of weeks ago started Pakistan-BCN-ORD 2x/weekly....

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 4):
I wonder if BD will ever return to the MAN-ORD route...

Unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon... 



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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2648 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
US Airways never flew ORD-MAN.....BD used to fly the route until a couple of years ago..

Yes, but they fly MAN-PHL, which is probably ideal for cargo connections. The only other scheduled widebody service to the US from MAN is VS to MCO, but cannot see that carrying too much cargo  



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Reply 5):
Also, I think SQ can make and ORD-MAN-SIN flight work, as long as UA cooperates.

Even if UA wanted to I think you might find SQ would not cooperate with them. BD will not come back on this route IMHO. Its UA after the merger or ir will be left to AA/BA


User currently offlinedanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1812 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Posted it on another thread but could EK make a DXB-MAN-ORD work?


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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2222 times:
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Quoting danfearn77 (Reply 9):
Posted it on another thread but could EK make a DXB-MAN-ORD work?

The CAA investigated a DXB-MAN-IAH routing!


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8524 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2202 times:
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Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 3):
I would not be surprised after the merger to see UA enter the market, although I would say its certainly not top of their list

- Why wait? I don't think UA are interested, if so, they would be flying the route now.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
- Why wait? I don't think UA are interested, if so, they would be flying the route now.

Yes but do they have the aircraft suited for the route at present. Perhaps when the merger goes through they will ala 762 or 757?


User currently offlinenickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 7):
Yes, but they fly MAN-PHL, which is probably ideal for cargo connections. The only other scheduled widebody service to the US from MAN is VS to MCO, but cannot see that carrying too much cargo

Does DL no longer fly ATL-MAN with a 763? Thought they'd been flying that route for years...


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2070 times:
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Quoting nickofatlanta (Reply 13):
Does DL no longer fly ATL-MAN with a 763? Thought they'd been flying that route for years...

They still do. Just want the 744 and A330 to turn up for the complete sweep of DL widebodies having come to MAN.


User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 571 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2070 times:
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Quoting gkirk (Reply 2):
With downgrading to a 757, they've also left the cargo market all to US Airways who use the 333 to MAN.

I'm sure that AA feels they have better opportunities by deploying that containerized aircraft elsewhere.


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8524 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2060 times:
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Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 12):
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
- Why wait? I don't think UA are interested, if so, they would be flying the route now.

Yes but do they have the aircraft suited for the route at present. Perhaps when the merger goes through they will ala 762 or 757?

- The market when connections within the States are considered is big enough for a 763, which UA operate. The 763 is the smallest plane UA fly to europe so I consider they don't think the route would work for them. I doubt they would change their mind one BA & AA gain ATI.

When they 'merge' with CO they gain the 762 and 752 for the 'thin' routes so perhaps then, but until then they don't have the right equipment so the BA/AA ATI has nothing to do with the route as you suggest.



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User currently offlinedanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1812 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 10):

Quoting danfearn77 (Reply 9):
Posted it on another thread but could EK make a DXB-MAN-ORD work?

The CAA investigated a DXB-MAN-IAH routing!

I wonder if EK would conceivably look into ether of the above? Wasnt there also a rumour of DXB-MAN-JFK? Less likey i would imagine.



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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

NZ have signalled their interest in flying AKL-ORD when their 789s arrive, and they have also indicated their interest in serving MAN through an intermediate point. The idea of NZ flying AKL-ORD-MAN is thus not too far from fanciful - but that wouldn't be until late 2013 at the very earliest. Other possible MAN routings for NZ would be AKL-PVG-MAN, AKL-LAX-MAN and AKL-SFO-MAN.


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