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Norwegian Plans For 15 Longhaul Aircraft  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4096 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26990 times:

Norwegian Air Shuttle ( Norwegian ) are currently gearing up for a revolution in the long haul market just like they have made it in the short haul market.


they prepare to start long haul to the USA and Asia in 2011:

* 15 long haul aircraft wich will make them bigger than SAS ( SAS has 11 )

* Wants Dreamliner, but are in talks with both Boeing and Airbus

* Together with their already short and medium range B 737 800's, Norwegian wants the latest in long haul equipment

* The goal is to fly 10 000 passengers pr. employe, wich is sky high compared to other airlines. In 2009, Norwegian flew 7500 passengers pr, employe.

* Norwegian already have a feeder network with 200 routes to 90 destinations.


Read more here:

http://translate.google.com/translat...s%2Farticle3706701.ece&sl=no&tl=en


Well, if anyone can do it, it is the boss of Norwegian. He has worked very well so far.

So what do you guys think ?

[Edited 2010-06-27 09:02:17]

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User currently offlineluxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 513 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26922 times:

Hi there,

I think they should purchase some A332 to start with, because they can't get any Dreamliner production slots in near future.
Well if it will work, SAS has to do sth to stay competitive agaist Norwegian...

Does anyone know how they will fit their premium classes??


User currently offlineaa777lvr From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26879 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Well, if anyone can do it, it is the boss of Norwegian. He has worked very well so far.

So what do you guys think ?

We may be a stubborn bunch, but Norwegians get the job done right!! Way to go.  


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26848 times:

I know Miami is one of the destinations becasue a year ago on this forum Miami was listed as a posssible future destinations.

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26782 times:

I imagine BOS is high up on their list as well.


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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26786 times:

Quoting luxair747SP (Reply 1):
I think they should purchase some A332 to start with, because they can't get any Dreamliner production slots in near future.

Well, according to the CEO Bjørn Kjos, they want the most efficient aircraft in order to keep the operation as efficient as possible. I don't know what aircraft would be best and where the Dreamliner or the 332 stands in that regard.


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26703 times:

Were would the longhaul hub be based, Osl, Arn or Cph?

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26708 times:

Yes they should get 787s very early , as some months ago , some articles said , Norwegian could get the prototypes after of course refurbishing.
2 or 3 is it enough to beginn for them ?

If not i am afraid they should have to wait for a long time before starting long hauls.

Given the fact the 777 is a too much plane for them , the best solution is to beginn with A330s.


User currently offlineTFFIP From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 26569 times:

For anyone planning such a thing, what is the availability of A330s now, has it eased up because they were hard to come by and would Boeing (767) not be better/strike a better deal since they have all the 737s plus many ordered?

User currently offlineDahlgardo From Denmark, joined Sep 2004, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 26531 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Norwegian Air Shuttle ( Norwegian ) are currently gearing up for a revolution in the long haul market just like they have made it in the short haul market.


they prepare to start long haul to the USA and Asia in 2011:

* 15 long haul aircraft wich will make them bigger than SAS ( SAS has 11 )

* Wants Dreamliner, but are in talks with both Boeing and Airbus

* Together with their already short and medium range B 737 800's, Norwegian wants the latest in long haul equipment

* The goal is to fly 10 000 passengers pr. employe, wich is sky high compared to other airlines. In 2009, Norwegian flew 7500 passengers pr, employe.

* Norwegian already have a feeder network with 200 routes to 90 destinations.

Isn't this old news ?

I believe I heard similar plans about a year ago in the Danish media.

The long haul ops were to be set up in a separate company.

The reason it did not go ahead was Norwegians inability to secure financing for the project.

Perhaps the financing part is solved now ?



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 26533 times:

A 332HGW should be purchased as it can fly nonstop with a full payload from OSL to BKK/PEK/Japan/HKG.

User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 26458 times:

Quoting luxair747SP (Reply 1):
I think they should purchase some A332 to start with
Quoting behramjee (Reply 10):
A 332HGW should be purchased as it can fly nonstop with a full payload from OSL to BKK/PEK/Japan/HKG

I agree the 332 would be the best right now but if they want 10K pax per employee then maybe the 333   



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User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 26390 times:

why not buy a few used 777s from someone like Singapore? Far cheaper than a brand new 787 or something.

User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 26182 times:

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 9):
Isn't this old news ?

I believe I heard similar plans about a year ago in the Danish media.

The long haul ops were to be set up in a separate company.

The reason it did not go ahead was Norwegians inability to secure financing for the project.

Perhaps the financing part is solved now ?


It's old news that Norwegian is going for longhaul. However this article included adittional information such as number of planes etc.


Norwegian planned on maybe starting in 2010, but also said that 2011 was more likely. The economic downturn has proabably put the plans a bit on hold.

Norwegian has also had to get the feeder network ready, wich now seem to be in place.


Is there anyway Norwegian could get the 787 by summer 2011 ? Can Norwegian hold a deal that we don't know about ?

[Edited 2010-06-27 10:45:54]

[Edited 2010-06-27 10:59:40]

User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 26125 times:

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 12):
why not buy a few used 777s from someone like Singapore? Far cheaper than a brand new 787 or something.



Would such a plane be more fuel effecient etc than a 787 ?

Norwegian seem to want the most effecient, not nesseserely the cheapest or what they can get the quickest


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 26058 times:
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I would think a 250-seat B767-300ER would be efficient for trans-Atlantic routes and Dubai, but useless for Asia services (I think SAS had payload restrictions with their 190-seat B763ERs to Asia), so that rules out the 767 unless they will accept having two types of longhaul aircraft in their fleet... factory-fresh B767-300ERs are pretty economical still, I believe.


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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 26037 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 6):
Were would the longhaul hub be based, Osl, Arn or Cph?

It would surprise me immensly if it was'nt OSL ....


User currently offlineDahlgardo From Denmark, joined Sep 2004, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 25668 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 16):
Quoting miaintl (Reply 6):
Were would the longhaul hub be based, Osl, Arn or Cph?

It would surprise me immensly if it was'nt OSL ....

The original plans (those presented in 2009) was to have 5-6 weekly flights CPH-New York and 3-4 weekly flights CPH-BKK. I don't know anything about the proposed schedules out of ARN and OSL, but all 3 Scandinavian capitals was mentioned as longhaul "bases".



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User currently offlineLarshjort From Niue, joined Dec 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 25248 times:

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 17):


The original plans (those presented in 2009) was to have 5-6 weekly flights CPH-New York and 3-4 weekly flights CPH-BKK. I don't know anything about the proposed schedules out of ARN and OSL, but all 3 Scandinavian capitals was mentioned as longhaul "bases".

Just what we needed, two scandinavian carriers trying to make a 3-hub longhaul strategy work   

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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2432 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 25213 times:

Watch it end in tears or an SAS buyout.... You heard it here first...

User currently offlineEBGARN From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 25099 times:

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 17):
but all 3 Scandinavian capitals was mentioned as longhaul "bases".



Oh no, not again!  

Well seriously, since DY isn't limited as much by unions as SK, maybe they can set up one base at BKK, and one at PVG or HKG for example. Then fly to OSL / CPH / ARN from there, with crew from the far country.



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User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2716 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 24918 times:

How about OSL-MSP (probably wouldn't work well from CPH or ARN to Minneapolis)? Would be a great addition with our other European airline Icelandair.


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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 24670 times:

They should just stick to one hub, most logically it should be Osl, but geographic wise Cph is the best for a hub.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 24643 times:

Quoting TFFIP (Reply 8):
what is the availability of A330s now

TK ordered one this month to receive it in 12 months, also TK leased a 332 this month. So they are avail.


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 24471 times:

Flying long-haul is an entirely different business - being a successful short-haul operator does not guarantee you success as a long-haul operator. Unsustainable long-haul operations have doomed other carriers in the past, so I would certainly be cautious...

25 Sukhoi : It will be intresting with the Norweigian hub(s). Both CPH and ARN have three daily flights to New york right now. CO, DL & SK. I don´t think the
26 RussianJet : The clue is in the name of the airline.
27 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : It would really depend on what they are looking for and what is available for what they can afford when they want these airplanes. There will be seve
28 CFBFrame : If they have a network that feeds long haul demand what's the issue? Maybe the airline's research has indicated that existing customers are transferr
29 Post contains images Mortyman : I beleave B767 300 ER does'nt really have good enough range to go from Oslo to Bangkok. SAS did fly that, but struggled with it. The 777 is to big I t
30 Larshjort : You are missing one important market, BKK. BKK is a very popular destination for scandinavians, illustrated by nonstop daily flights by TG and SK fli
31 FCKC : Perhaps used A340-300s at cheap prices to beginn BKK.Easy to find.Ex Iberia (2 are stored at Chateauroux) , Ex Air France , Ex Virgin , Ex Emirates...
32 ju068 : If they do start long haul, could we see other LCC speeding up their own plans to launch them? Didn't Ryanair also plan something like this, unless it
33 LN-KGL : The real clue here is FEED. The feed for Norwegian IC will be both local passengers and passengers flown in to a hub, and the largest hub today is OSL
34 CFBFrame : If what you say is true and it is feed, why would you mess your long haul program up with having so many hubs? Not the economic thing to do, going to
35 oykie : What about leasing companies. Do they some 787 airplanes available in the near future? SAS have been trying to lease out 2 A340-300, but will now but
36 SAS A340 : SAS stored 343,s are set to be back in business for SAS to Asia i belive.....
37 TFFIP : Interesting, how is that worked out? (Maybe someone knows a link to a thread I dont find)
38 g2scandinavia : Hi 773atmsp. Some norwegian avation enthusiast seems be sporting in judging this service as a “low yield” market. Last year, MSP was the second l
39 Burkhard : Oslo- most of the US can be easily done on A333, and there is nothing similar in economics even in the pipe for that range. SAS has no chance on the N
40 keesje : The A330 seem favouite for applications like this. Their popularity might not be good for purchase / leasing prices though. If cargo is unimprotant, g
41 g2scandinavia : Hi LN-KGL That is absolutly correct. OSL and ARN will be the hubs of their planned IC operation. CPH is unfortunately not included in these plans at
42 bjorn14 : Yeah, MO'L said they needed 40-50 IC a/c to make ryanatlantic work and they weren't available. So who knows if he is/was blowing smoke or not.
43 Post contains images g2scandinavia : Hi keesje I’m a little amused by the fact that no one seems to have registered who was at the old sea plane restaurant at Fornebu (Sjøflyhavna kro
44 miaintl : Does anyone know what the likely US destinations is. I know New York and Miami are one of them, but how many destinations do they plan to serve?
45 EBGflyer : Can you elaborate on this instead of leaving us all mystified?
46 robbie86 : If DY plans to keep the fare low on LH-flights. Wouldn't they need a rather large plane to make it efficient? I would say that the 777 would be a good
47 Post contains images LN-KGL : Sjøflyhavna Kro is in my backyard g2. I didn't get an invitation, but I heard rumours about the "meeting" through.
48 g2scandinavia : Hei EBGflyer Airbus 330 sale team and Cathay Pacific airways.
49 Navigator : I think those Norwegian plans are very realistic given that SAS has totally missed out in serving intercontinental markets in Oslo and Stockholm and l
50 bjorn14 : It's still there but now it is a bit more upscale than the burger and fries joint it once was. Had my wife's birthday party there in February. She sp
51 KiwiRob : Wasn't there another company also looking at longhaul out of Scandinavia, I remember the renders of the planes had the titles Free or Free Air, someth
52 Post contains links g2scandinavia : http://www.feelair.com/
53 KC135TopBoom : You could be right about the A-330 or B-767-300ER. It would depend on where they actually want to go, and what they need the airplanes to do (cargo,
54 LN-KGL : I see a much sharper focus on Asia for Norwegian IC. The strongest growth will come in Asia, and not in the USA.
55 EBGflyer : Definitely an ambitious plan. Although I do see some potential for direct long haul traffic out of OSL (and ARN), I have a hard time seeing how all t
56 Post contains links and images oykie : No thread on here, but this article in norwegian states: http://e24.no/boers-og-finans/article3706701.ece Very interesting. Theoy would not just show
57 timboflier215 : Are CX looking to get rid of some of their 11 (I think?) A340-300's? If so, then this could be where the lift could come from, especially if they hav
58 ju068 : How cheap would they be? You can already find relatively cheap flights to the US from Europe. I just flew LCA-MUC-FRA-IAD on Lufty and my return fligh
59 Mortyman : Well I think you need 3 planes for each long haul destination to do daily round trips. So i guess 5 destinations ? New York Bangkok Maybe Houston Min
60 EBGflyer : No, you need 2 if the destination cannot be operated to within a 24-hour window. An exception to this is if you shuffle your aircrafts around among d
61 Post contains images Mortyman : It has previosuly been mentioned a two class cabin... Regardless, I'm sure they won't start with 15 long haul aircraft from day one...
62 KiwiRob : If these guys get up and running before Norwegian will there be enough punters in Scandinavia for 3 Scandinavian Airlines flying longhaul?
63 Mortyman : I don't think Feel Air has a chance. They don't have the feeder network needed to succeed
64 CFBFrame : I thought they were a Boeing customer, and the article says they were looking to work with Boeing. Now we read that the Airbus sales staff is in town?
65 Mortyman : No one has said anything about joining an alliance.... and yes, Norwegian is a Boeing customer, but if Boeing can't deliver the wanted aircraft, then
66 timboflier215 : I would fall over in shock should DY join OneWorld. There is a mammoth list of airlines OW needs more than DY, and which are more suitable for DY. I
67 CFBFrame : Okay, I thought I was crazy when I read all the talk about Airbus widebodies. I'd say, if Boeing wants this business long term Boeing will drive wher
68 LN-KGL : Didn't you know that AY own 4.82% of the DY shares? Boeing won the short haul order in 2007 (42 direct ordered B737-800 + 11 on lease), but Airbus wi
69 CFBFrame : Thanks LN-KGL, I appreciate the update. Makes sense. I gather there must be ample long haul traveling through DY's network to justify a code sharing
70 Norlander : The problem is that if they insist on 787's, they'll have to wait a long time to get them. There are 866 orders for the 787 and with a max production
71 Andaman : Will be interesting to see how their relationship develops. The last time I heard building a closer relationship goes on but there have been some "te
72 r2rho : OS and MA also have feed, but their long-haul operations are/were unsustainable, SK has feed, but their multi-hub strategy is unsustainable. One thin
73 g2scandinavia : Current direct capacity of total international traffic (schedule services) North America - CPH: 5,7%, ARN: 5,2%, OSL: 2,1% Asia - CPH: 5,2%, ARN: 4,1
74 timboflier215 : Which would make it doubly odd if it was CX courting DY to join OneWorld rather than AY.
75 Mortyman : They should go for Rio de Janeiro .
76 PavlovsDog : I wonder if they've considered buying Icelandair? I see that the current market capitalization of the Icelandair group is only NOK 190 million which i
77 Mortyman : an interesting thought, but would Norwegian be interested in all the 757's ?
78 Norlander : 757's can be sold to cargo operators if they don't want them for their own operation. The early 787 slots should be worth the low price tag alone.
79 Mortyman : Norwegian Airshuttle ( Norwegian ) are currrently gearing up to start long haul service from Scandinavia. They are talking about around 2000 NOK ( 312
80 MAH4546 : Houston and Minneapolis? If Norwegian wants to hit key holiday O&D markets from Norway, it should do Bangkok, Miami and New York. I would also sa
81 congaboy : Why couldn't they lease them from one of the large aircraft lease companies, and strike lease/purchase terms? Or maybe Boeing could arrange 767/777 i
82 Mortyman : Not just holiday market. Houston would be a business market. Oil industry etc
83 MAH4546 : The local O&D is tiny and Norwegian, even with a non-stop, would not capture it without being part of an alliance to grab the corporate traffic.
84 Mortyman : They seem to go for a 2 class cabin, meaning leasure and business.
85 MAH4546 : That doesn't mean anything. Leisure passengers fly in business class, too. Air Berlin, Transaero and Virgin Atlantic are leisure airlines with premiu
86 LN-KGL : Don't think Sir Richard Branson will agree with you on that MAH4546. The majority of the Virgin Atlantic destinations from Heathrow are definitely no
87 Bennett123 : Pavlovsdog "787 - four firm orders and three options early in the delivery queue 763 - four aircraft, three of which are currently leased 753 - 1 airc
88 MAH4546 : I have no doubt that he would agree with me. How many daily flights does Virgin have to business destinations such as, say, Houston, Mumbai and Sao P
89 Mortyman : I'm pretty sure that you are in the minority ...
90 eaa3 : Icelandair itself only operates 757´s so they have a lot of comonality in their operations. The 738´s are all leased out and have never and were ne
91 LN-KGL : eaa3, what's the logic in this? We are talking real IC, not the American version IC with short pond jumping using 752s. The SFC for these 752 are awfu
92 eaa3 : I have quite frankly no idea what that sentance means. What is IC and SFC. But i'm not suggesting that they should buy 757's. I was just pointing out
93 Mortyman : The problem with SAS is all the unions. I think perhaps there are fewer now, but there used to be something like 36 of them ! I have full confidence i
94 Post contains images brendows : Intercontinental Carrier and Specific Fuel Consumption, or rather TSFC, Thrust Specific Fuel Consumption, which measures how many pounds of fuel you
95 MillwallSean : Sweden has 9.2 million inhabitants with 2.1 million living in Greater Stockholm and 3.3 million in the regions surrounding Stockholm (Mälardalen) ma
96 Post contains images Mortyman : Oslo: Population (2010) - City 590.041 (01.04.2010) - Urban 907.288 - Metro 1.422.442 Norway: - 2010 estimate 4,889,800 - 2000 census 4,478,497
97 MAH4546 : Because MIDT traffic data shows South Florida as a top five U.S. market from ARN, OSL and CPH, and during the winter months it is the second largest
98 Post contains links LN-KGL : So you have the number right, here is an overview of the 2009 passenger figures: 40.6 million passengers flew in to or from Norwegian airports 26.3 mi
99 Mortyman : Facinating. Thanx for this info
100 SAS767 : Large part - it depends on what you consider as a large part? Can't give you the exact numbers, but the split for CPH-OSL and CPH-ARN are for both ro
101 Post contains images LN-KGL : The exact numbers can't be found, but I think the transfer share is higher that CPH.dk reports. I'll give you a self experienced example to show you
102 EBGflyer : How are you so certain? It depends on whether you were on a through ticket OSL-CPH-ABZ or two separate tickets. If the latter was the case, you did i
103 Post contains links g2scandinavia : Hi LN-KGL You seem to forgotten some numbers in your calculations. "For more than a third of the entire Swedish population, and for all Danes, Copenh
104 Post contains images SAS767 : CPH passenger and transfer numbers for specific routes can be found if you have access to the right places The definition of a transfer passenger vs.
105 Post contains images LN-KGL : It was through tickets, but obviously a new baggage check in at CPH for the morning flight to ABZ. Except for flight crews, a rather large portion of
106 LN-KGL : 1,106,776 passengers flew between CPH and OSL in 2009. And you say SAS767 that this is only 4% of all international passenger volume at CPH? 4% = 1,1
107 MillwallSean : That (The 30%) the number that includes GOT etc. Its just marketing since GOT in itself is hardly within the catchment area of CPH and no person from
108 SAS767 : LN-KGL - please note that I wrote transfer passengers from OSL - referring to the CPH passenger volume generated by transfer passengers originating i
109 Post contains links SAS767 : It's a fact that around 20% of the local passenger volume at CPH is generated on the Swedish side of Øresund. Definition of the catchment area is an
110 Post contains links and images g2scandinavia : Hi SAS767 I guess you are referring to is the Fortune Global 500 HQ list presented here: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2009/maps/i
111 SAS767 : I think you are missing my point. I'm not talking about Nordic companies but about where non-nordic companies have decided to place their Nordic Regi
112 nasco2 : Back to if Norwegian Air Shuttle will succeed with adding 15 wide-body aircraft to there fleet, I am quit sure they will behalf of this reasons. 1. Th
113 EBGflyer : All of the reasons you are mentioning are mere patriotic utterances - nothing sheds light on what concrete actions Mr. Kjos will take in order to fil
114 Post contains images g2scandinavia : I would appreciate if you could support your posts with some links and documentations as provided by others in this thread. First of all, there is no
115 Post contains links and images SAS767 : Playing tough now? I saw the Nordic HQ benchmark in a report a year ago or something like that – think it was from Copenhagen Capacity but can’t
116 SAS767 : Very interesting to see the June traffic numbers for OSL released today - Overall growth 5.9% Growth on the route to Copenhagen was 6.6% and among th
117 nasco2 : Of course they can´t start with 15 aircrafts, but probable 2 - 4 aircraft to start, but they will make a firm order of 15 long haul aircraft, for de
118 Post contains links g2scandinavia : I’m just surprised how eager you are to present such information based on personal references and so far, not supported by any reference. Again I h
119 nasco2 : Back to this order of 15 long haul aircraft, I think it is not that relay big deal, the number is modest in the long run. I think some believe this is
120 Post contains links Mortyman : In the news today: Norwegian is about to launch their sister company that will handle the long haul flights. * Norwegian will collect some 1 billion N
121 KiwiRob : With a little luck Norwegian starting longhaul will provide the kick up the butt SAS has been needing for a long time. If Norwegian wants a crack at t
122 Andaman : Actually not if you check the great circle mapper. OSL is faster mainly from LHR/DUB/LIS to Japan only, from other European hubs the routes to Asia a
123 Mortyman : Apparently Norwegian is planning dual listing for the new company. Listing both on the Oslo stockechange and Stockholm.
124 oykie : And 2000NOK for a return ticket to New York. 1000NOK one way!!! That is 157 dollars one way over the Atlantic!!! And he talks about selling sleeping
125 Mortyman : Yes, but it reamins to be seen how many tickets that will actually be available for 2000 NOK... I beleave he only talked about flat seats / beds not
126 LipeGIG : That would be an interesting destination from OSL. With growing business between Norway and Brazil (specially Rio de Janeiro where mostly investments
127 Mortyman : Yes it would be interesting with a route to Rio de Janeiro with perhaps a stop on the way in Brasilia, Sao Paulo or Natal... But again, I have not se
128 LN-KGL : Has ever Mr. Kjos mentioned other destinations than New York City and Bangkok then? With 15 aircraft in their future plans Norwegian is destined to a
129 Mortyman : He is indeed. However it will proabably take a couple of years before the airline reaches 15 long haul aircraft.
130 BrisseDK : Norwegian is definitely making the world (Scandinavia in particular) a lot more interesting! 15 longhaul aircraft is the bare minimum for setting up a
131 Mortyman : I think the longhaul will mainly be from Oslo in Norway. don't think that Norwegian is prepared to have this many longhaul if any from these other pl
132 BrisseDK : I don't see why not? DY is by no means "OSL Airways", they don't run a typical Hub/Spoke operation, and they already have established bases outside o
133 Post contains links and images BrisseDK : SK remains doubtful about DY longhaul plans. A lot of talk, and no action. In Danish only: http://epn.dk/brancher/transport/luft/article2127653.ece?pa
134 LN-MOW : You can't be serious ... Even Mr. Kjos has publically stated that he can't run an IC-ops without feed. We will not see flights from secondary airport
135 BrisseDK : But I am... Yes, and I don't disagree with that. They can funnel a lot of traffic through OSL, but that doesn't mean, that they can't run non-stops f
136 Humberside : I can't see DY flying long haul from GOT when they dont currently offer short haul from there. But in general the Scandinavia regional market to Thai
137 BrisseDK : Fair argument, and I agree. Shorthaul would/should definitely come before longhaul. But that said, GOT was considered by DL for JFK service a few yea
138 EBGARN : They did, but the situation has changed quite a lot. Back then, SAAB Automobile was owned by GM, and Volvo Cars was owned by Ford. Now, they're eithe
139 BrisseDK : That is of course something to consider, though I would be very surprised if those two combined would fill 3-4 weekly 757s and thus be the basis of D
140 LN-MOW : There's also a difference in capacity between a 757 and an A330 or 767. DL also has a substantial feed into JFK - DY has none. DL has interline agreem
141 BrisseDK : From any of the regional airports DY would have to rely solely on O/D pax, so I don't see the need for any interline agreement nor feed. For the "hub
142 Mortyman : The leadership of Norwegian is apparently present at Farnborough according to a poster on the Scanair forum....
143 LN-MOW : And so is management from quite a few other airlines ... Bear in mind that there will be about 130.000 trade visitors ...
144 Mortyman : and your point is ?
145 Humberside : Indeed, the existance of charter flights from GOT to Thailand shows a local market exists for tourists to Asia Have to say I agree with LN-MOW and th
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