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Official: El Al Opens Domestic Line, TLV-ETH-TLV  
User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1322 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

Now of official: El Al Israel airlines announces today on its first domestic route, TLV-ETH-TLV, with first flight on August 1st 2010.

As you may remember, LY wants to fly to Eilat since last summer, but Arkia & Israir's leagal actions against LY intentions to the Israeli high court of justice (our version of constitutional court) delayed the opening. The court allowed to LY to open the new route, but with restrictions: only 3 flights a day, with max 420 passengers, per direction, a day. Very stupid decision that will harm the competition on the line, in my opinion.

El Al CEO, ret Gen. Aliezer Shkedy, informed the press that the airline will use Boeing B737-700 to operate the line, with no business class. The flights will leave from TLV's Terminal 1. According to Shkedy, the flights time will coordinate with the airline international flights, in order to allow tourists coming to Israel good connection flights to Eilat, and to provide Eilat residents good connection to International flights.

According to the CEO, passengers who buy round trip ticket to Israel with El Al, can add TLV-ETH and ETH-TLV flights for just 20 USD per direction. To the Israelis, the flights will be sold to 99-299 NIS (on Arkia regular flights, the price is 235-358 NIS, same as Israir, while on 'express' flights the price is 99-179 NIS - those are the flights on the worst possible hours).

When the CEO was asked about Arkia and Israir future, Shkedy said that the idea is to increase the number of tourists coming to Eilat in general (both Israelis and foreigners) so that everyone will benefit from it. With just 3 flights a day, I don't think they can make this big difference, but I hope that they will allowed to fly as much as they want soon.

Sources (all in hebrew, sorry):

http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1000569707

http://www.calcalist.co.il/local/articles/0,7340,L-3409439,00.html

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3911347,00.html

PS - I wrote a trip report about my SDV-ETH-TLV flights with IZ & 6H last month: Inside Israel: SDV-ETH-TLV; Israir & Arkia (+pics) (by EL-AL May 19 2010 in Trip Reports)


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Great news for El Al!!! It is high time LY flies TLV-ETH!!
So, LY needs its 2 73Gs for the route, right?

[Edited 2010-06-28 01:10:27]


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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1322 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
So, LY needs its 2 73Gs for the route, right?



Just one, flying time from TLV to ETH in 737 is just 35-40 minutes. Take a look at the flights schedule:

TLV-ETH (sun-thu):
LY401 9:00-9:55
LY403 12:30-13:25
LY405 18:30-19:25

ETH-TLV:
LY402 11:00-11:45
LY404 14:30-15:15
LY406 20:30-21:15

It looks like one plane can do it.



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
Great news for El Al!!! It is high time LY flies TLV-ETH!!
So, LY needs its 2 73Gs for the route, right?

With 3 flights a day, I am sure LY can use only one B73G considering the short flyiing times and possibly combine it eg that one plane will make a hop to ETH after arriving from a international flight and vice versa. I am sure LY will also use B738's occasionally as well on the route for fleet dispatch reasons, they will then just need to limit the amount of seats they can sell on the flight.


User currently offlineFlyingDove From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 3):
With 3 flights a day, I am sure LY can use only one B73G considering the short flyiing times and possibly combine it eg that one plane will make a hop to ETH after arriving from a international flight and vice versa.

RIght on. Otherwise, this is somewhat light aircraft utilization.

Interesting to note that over the years, Arkia has leased planes from El Al. I remember seeing LY 707's flying as Arkia to ETH in the early 1990's, with the tails painted fully blue.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 3):
With 3 flights a day, I am sure LY can use only one B73G considering the short flyiing times and possibly combine it eg that one plane will make a hop to ETH after arriving from a international flight and vice versa. I am sure LY will also use B738's occasionally as well on the route for fleet dispatch reasons, they will then just need to limit the amount of seats they can sell on the flight.

Yes, but if the plane has a tech problem or when it goes to maintenance?



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 3203 times:

More infos about LY new route:

http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/E...coming_eilat_general_info_220610#b



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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1322 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 5):
Yes, but if the plane has a tech problem or when it goes to maintenance?



That's exactly El Al's advantage, they have 11 737s and 5 757s, so they can switch airplanes from other routes if one plane can't fly - that's unlike arkia and Israir who has just 3 jets each.



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

So LY will reconfigure only 1 73G?

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 7):
that's unlike arkia and Israir who has just 3 jets each.

I thought Israir had only 2 jets (2 A320s).

[Edited 2010-06-29 06:41:34]


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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2712 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3079 times:
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If El Al got this route, did the other airlines get something in return?

[Edited 2010-06-29 06:58:47]

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 9):
If El Al got this route, did the other airlines get something in return?

No, AFAIK, but LY has to offer maximum 430 seats per day IIRC



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User currently offlinetodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 10):
Quoting ju068 (Reply 9):
If El Al got this route, did the other airlines get something in return?

No, AFAIK, but LY has to offer maximum 430 seats per day IIRC

El Al used to have a monopoly on international routes. This has ended, and El Al's position was that there were no reasons to maintain the ban on their flights to ETH.

Arkia and Israir are using mostly smaller airplanes to ETH than 737s. Isn't it more efficient to fly lighter planes on such a short route? I've heard for years that El Al was "planning" to order a fleet of regional jets...... Is this idea still alive?



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Quoting todaReisinger (Reply 11):
Arkia and Israir are using mostly smaller airplanes to ETH than 737s.

Still, IZ uses the big 753 to ETH (269 pax!!!)



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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1322 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2773 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 9):
If El Al got this route, did the other airlines get something in return?



Both arkia and Israir got permission from the ministry of transportation to fly to popular international destinations that El Al used to fly to with no competition from Israeli airlines in the past few years (like Barcelona, Paris, Rome, Moscow etc) and in addition, IZ & 6H got permission to operate international routes that El Al is not flying, like Riga, Amman or Larnaca.

That happening, El Al asked the ministry of transportation permission to fly domestic, claiming that of the international route are open to competition, so sould the domestic market be. With the minister of transportation been Likud party member, who supports competition and open market, El Al got the permission to fly to Eilat, with the restrictions from the high court.

Quoting todaReisinger (Reply 11):
Arkia and Israir are using mostly smaller airplanes to ETH than 737s. Isn't it more efficient to fly lighter planes on such a short route? I've heard for years that El Al was "planning" to order a fleet of regional jets...... Is this idea still alive?



It doesn't really matter, since both regional and medium size plane fly full to eilat, all the time. Arkia is flying the B753 with 265 seats to Eilat on weekends, and the flights is always full. B73G is fine for that route, its not problem to fill it on ETH flights. Regarding regional jets for El Al - LY is not operation short international flights out of Israel, El Al is not flying to Turkey, Routes to Cyprus and Jordan are operated by arkia, the short vacations destinations are operated by Sun Dor, not El Al itself. It turns our that El Al shortest routes are ATH and SOF, with no very short flights, therefore I think El Al has no use in regional jets.



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

BTW, does LY plan to add winglets to their 73Gs?


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User currently offlinetodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 13):
Routes to Cyprus and Jordan are operated by arkia,

El Al is not flying to Cyprus anymore?

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 13):
the short vacations destinations are operated by Sun Dor, not El Al itself.

Sun d'Or is El Al, actually. But it seems short routes such as Cairo, Amman or Cyprus are too rare and not interesting financially for El Al (incl. Sun d'Or), which might explain the absence of a regional fleet.



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2712 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2548 times:
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Quoting todaReisinger (Reply 15):
El Al is not flying to Cyprus anymore

Nope, they axed the route a few years ago. Strange because I remember seeing their 777 at times.
Cyprus Airways flies 9 times a week from Larnaca using a mix of 319/320.
In summer they added the additional two flights (in the afternoon)...


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1322 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

Quoting todaReisinger (Reply 15):
El Al is not flying to Cyprus anymore?
Quoting ju068 (Reply 16):
Nope, they axed the route a few years ago. Strange because I remember seeing their 777 at times.
Cyprus Airways flies 9 times a week from Larnaca using a mix of 319/320.
In summer they added the additional two flights (in the afternoon)...

Take a look at this trip report I wrote last month about Arkia flights to Cyprus - there were 4 flights bound to TLV in 65 minutes the night I left, 3 IZ & 1 CY: 2 Countries, 1 Dollar: TLV-LCA-TLV Arkia E195+B753 (by EL-AL Jun 3 2010 in Trip Reports)



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2712 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2408 times:
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Quoting EL-AL (Reply 17):
Take a look at this trip report I wrote last month about Arkia flights to Cyprus - there were 4 flights bound to TLV in 65 minutes the night I left, 3 IZ & 1 CY

Yes but that was out of the ordinary... Probably some charter flights or something like that.
Anyway CY relies heavily on transit passengers and on Cypriots who go there for tourism, the same with BEY where it happens often that they send their 330 for a 17 minute flight!
How often does IZ fly to LCA anyway?


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