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BBC TV Prog: Rolls-Royce - Nxt Sunday  
User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6148 times:

Hey all,

Just to let you know that next Sunday at 9pm on BBC 2 here in the UK, there will be a programme about Rolls-Royce, specifically looking at the T1000 engine for the 787. The blurb says:

"As Boeing's new 787 Dreamliner makes its inaugural flight, Rolls-Royce engineers celebrate the performance of its revolutionary Trent 1000 jet engines. They're the latest in a family of sophisticated aero engines that have driven Rolls-Royce to become world leaders in the market for jumbo jet engines.

This is the story of the thousands of people who design, build and test engines at Rolls-Royce's manufacturing plants in Derby and across the UK, making Rolls-Royce a central part of life for the people who work there.

Exploring some of the astonishing technology behind the engines' advanced components, the programme meets the skilled engineers who design and build them, and experience the ups and downs of life on the assembly line."

Tonight's was about the new UK nuclear submarines and will be in iplayer soon for those who are interested!

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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5981 times:
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Thanks for letting us know, it definitely sounds interesting, anything to do with aviation on TV i'm all for it.  


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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9946 posts, RR: 96
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5824 times:
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Quoting timboflier215 (Thread starter):
Tonight's was about the new UK nuclear submarines and will be in iplayer soon for those who are interested!

And is very well worth a watch for those who might be interested, and even those who might not.

It is a (for once) a well-crafted programme. (except I wasn't on it)     

Can't wait to see next week's RR story   

edit - this link has a clip from last nights programme

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p008hxw5

Rgds

[Edited 2010-06-27 23:02:55]

User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

Hey guys, this is on now.

Should be good.


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9946 posts, RR: 96
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5332 times:
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Quoting RJ111 (Reply 3):
Hey guys, this is on now.

Should be good.

Was indeed awesome. Great to see things like this being done in the UK. Congrats to RR   

Rgds


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Indeed,

Particularly interesting to see the crystallisation process, as well as the fan blade inflation.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12398 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

Fascinating and very well done; I find it intriguing (even incredible) that something as light as a single fan blade can develop so much power; at full power, one of the 20 blades on a Trent is effectively supporting a weight of about 90t - and yet you can quite easily hold one of these blades in your hands. And the amount of air one of these engines ingests at full power!

However, to me, the highlight of this show was definitely the effect of the fan blade failure; I recall seeing this test done on a GE engine, but can't recall it being quite as spectacular. That was really a "wow" moment ... hope it's on Youtube soon!


User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

Here's the BBC IPlayer link for anyone who missed it (available to UK folks only, I believe):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ow_to_Build..._A_Jumbo_Jet_Engine/


User currently offline747girl From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 31 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
However, to me, the highlight of this show was definitely the effect of the fan blade failure; I recall seeing this test done on a GE engine, but can't recall it being quite as spectacular. That was really a "wow" moment ... hope it's on Youtube soon!

I totally agree!


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13155 posts, RR: 78
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5189 times:

It did, successfully, manage to straddle the line of what is a series designed for the general viewer, with the expectations of a more interested audience, such as members of this site.
No easy task with the demands of television and all those awful people who want to dumb everything down.

So although some of us might wince slightly at the description of all wide bodies as 'Jumbos', with time demands meaning only a cursory (though useful) back-story of the genesis of R/R's big fans and company history generally, it would have been more than enough for the general viewer.

Though the meat of the program was with the people and design/build process of the Trent engines.
This the program did very well indeed, it really took you into the heart of what makes these engineering masterpieces exist at all.
The same was done with the Astute class submarines last week and the community (in the proper, real sense), that designed and built them.

When we think of R/R it's central home in Derby comes to mind, this documentary really added to that by showing how different parts of the Derby facilities, as well as other UK and foreign sites, work together to produce and test the engines.

Well done, as well as informative it is to be hoped that what I suspect is the idea behind this series, to encourage more people into this sort of career, whether building or maintaining, then it is also public service broadcasting at it's best.
And that's nothing to be ashamed of, unless you work for Rupert Murdoch.


User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
It did, successfully, manage to straddle the line of what is a series designed for the general viewer, with the expectations of a more interested audience, such as members of this site.

Absolutely agree. I found the programme, and the whole series thus far, totally riveting. Really interesting and informative, and well worth my license fee lol! Well done to the BBC, and to RR. A world class and utterly professional outfit of which the UK is justifiably very proud.


User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 863 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4957 times:

I completely disagree with you guys. I think this series as a whole is a disgrace.
They played out like corporate promotional videos! Family company, community support, social responsibility, vocational training, yada yada yada. The main (supposed) subject matter only gets brief mentions in little sprinklings of factoids. Really, RR and BAE could burn their respective programmes onto DVD and play them in their exhibition tents, all paid for with licence fee money.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting timboflier215 (Thread starter):
Tonight's was about the new UK nuclear submarines and will be in iplayer soon for those who are interested!

Not ALL those who are interested. In your loyal colony of Aus we get the following with the Nuclear Sub program:

Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. Why?

If you are in the UK and see this message please read this advice.


I suppose they must think that while our hearing is mod OK, we are blinds as bats.

And other screens showing in more detail why we need to MLE. GRRRRRRRRR!!!! What does the BEEB think it is doing just when it has the chance to belt the Sun King right between the eyes, and the Aus ABC or SBS will buy the program anyway.

Quoting astuteman (Reply 4):
Was indeed awesome. Great to see things like this being done in the UK. Congrats to RR

Just have to take your word for it!!!       Back to reading Whittle on how long it took RR to realise that reaction jets actually worked and you did not need a prop!!!


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24899 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4783 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 12):
I suppose they must think that while our hearing is mod OK, we are blinds as bats.

Nope, as soon as you start paying a UK TV Licence, then you'll be allowed to watch it  



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User currently offlineMYT332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 12):
Not ALL those who are interested. In your loyal colony of Aus we get the following with the Nuclear Sub program:

Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. Why?

Quit your whining colonial!
http://www.iplayerproxy4u.com/

There are also other UK poxy servers out there. Just search Google for them. Let me know if you need any help sorting it out.



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13155 posts, RR: 78
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 11):
I completely disagree with you guys. I think this series as a whole is a disgrace.

Well on the Astute programme, it certainly did not mask the delays and eye watering cost escalations that project suffered.
Besides, this is not investigative journalism, it is engineering orientated.
There are plenty of investigative programs out there, plenty of the same in print too.

You have to remember that many in the UK simply have no idea that such high end projects are still done in the UK, why should they, with a press that hates with a passion such things, since it undermines their whole 'broken Britain/we only have banks and call centres/cannot cope with major projects' narrative.

Small wonder it is often so hard to get suitable staff here, even ones with the actual or potential qualifications.

The manufacturing base in the UK is too small, after the financial services meltdown, this has been finally exposed as the folly it is.
However, the UK is still the 6th manufacturing nation in the world, again you'd never know that with the often lazy, technically illiterate press.
If this series is a corrective to this, about time too.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

Quoting MYT332 (Reply 14):
Quit your whining colonial!
http://www.iplayerproxy4u.com/

Certainly not, we have learned too well from our colonial masters the art of a good whine - remember Ponting when he was run out by the sub back in 2005 - and thanks for the tip. Probably easiest just to wait till they appear here. Used to be months, but these days usually just a week or three. And I trust you will be sending me a small contribution to offset our tax revenues being used to assist your penurious BBC once it is shown here on free to air!

Quoting GDB (Reply 15):
The manufacturing base in the UK is too small, after the financial services meltdown, this has been finally exposed as the folly it is.

Yes but that was after the folly of La Thatch not using your one time oil revenue bonanza to do a Norway. Don't get me started GDB, I agree with your conclusions but the reasons go further back. And La Thatch with her degree should have been the one PM NOT to have done that.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13155 posts, RR: 78
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 16):
Don't get me started GDB, I agree with your conclusions but the reasons go further back.

Indeed, with the century long distaste of UK financial institutions to support such things, better to play casino banking..........until.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4368 times:
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I do hope that certain sites will have this show on monday so I can see it too ...


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12398 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 12):
Back to reading Whittle on how long it took RR to realise that reaction jets actually worked and you did not need a prop!!!

Sometimes history has funny ironies; Sir Frank Whittle's son, Ian, became a pilot with the RAF and later, with Cathay Pacific. He finished his career as a 747 captain and of course, CX's 747s are powered by .... Rolls Royce. (Strictly speaking, if Sir Frank was the father of the jet engine, that made Ian the brother of the jet engine ... but that's taking it a bit far). I think Ian retired around the late 1990s.

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 11):
I completely disagree with you guys. I think this series as a whole is a disgrace.
They played out like corporate promotional videos! Family company, community support, social responsibility, vocational training, yada yada yada. The main (supposed) subject matter only gets brief mentions in little sprinklings of factoids. Really, RR and BAE could burn their respective programmes onto DVD and play them in their exhibition tents, all paid for with licence fee money.

While I see your point and it's arguable that RR's Corporate Communications "worked closely" with the BBC to make sure its message was got across, I felt that the programme was immensely enjoyable and although I knew quite a bit about what they were talking about, I learned from it as well; it was, to be, a model of good televison programming. Frankly, if other aviation enterprises - airlines, manufacturers or airport operators - want to co-operate in programmes like this and come out of it with a good PR result, I say "good for them", "brilliant", roll on more.

As for the first programme in the series, I missed that but would have liked to see it. I can't help wondering ... will it be dubbed for foreign markets - or will there be sub titles ...
 


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9946 posts, RR: 96
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4328 times:
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Quoting GDB (Reply 15):
Well on the Astute programme, it certainly did not mask the delays and eye watering cost escalations that project suffered.

Indeed it did not. But then a senior customer representative figured large in the programme too - (something the RR trent programme didn't have, (and I think might have benefitted from)

Quoting GDB (Reply 15):
You have to remember that many in the UK simply have no idea that such high end projects are still done in the UK,

  
And was the purpose of the series as far as I know.
And is incidentally generally the response I get when I escort CEO's and directors from the nuclear industry round our works.
In a way it's a shame that daily exposure to it breeds familiarity.

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 11):
They played out like corporate promotional videos!

I can't speak from first hand experience of the RR programme, but the Astute programme was highly commendable in its fidelity, from the company's, the customer's, and the community's viewpoint.   

(Our MD's comment about experiencing "a few snags" notwithstanding.   )

It's perhaps too easy to throw a few stones from a position of ignorance

Rgds


User currently offlineeljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 12):
Not ALL those who are interested. In your loyal colony of Aus we get the following with the Nuclear Sub program:

Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. Why?

In the UK, BBC television (and it's associated online broadcasting technology) is funded by a compulsory license fee; as such, it wouldn't be fair to make content available to people who don't pay for it. There is no such thing as a free lunch...


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 11):
I think this series as a whole is a disgrace. They played out like corporate promotional videos!

Tbf they didn't sweep over the L1011 debacle and the government buy-out. Not sure i'd put that in a corporate video.

Quoting eljonno (Reply 21):
There is no such thing as a free lunch...

Indeed, it seems our friends in the penal colony are still at it.   


User currently onlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3341 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
However, to me, the highlight of this show was definitely the effect of the fan blade failure; I recall seeing this test done on a GE engine, but can't recall it being quite as spectacular. That was really a "wow" moment ... hope it's on Youtube soon!
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1025...f358/rolls_royce_trent_testen.html

Boom at 1:42. Slow-motion at 2:01.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12398 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Thanks for sharing that, Petertentije; amazing to see it again ... notice the movement in the hub (is there a better word for that?) at the centre of the engine - seems to move quite significantly!

I guess an event like that would also cause massive stress to the pylon and fuse pins on a real aircraft!


25 HiJazzey : You miss the point. The show is called "how to build a jumbo jet engine" or in the first episode nuclear sub. The show is supposed to be about the ma
26 fruitbat : Had they shown a programme that solely described the design, manufacture and assembly of all the components in a Trent it would have: (a) been very l
27 Post contains images Baroque : Interesting. Have you read the sections in Whittle's book on the take over of the Power Jets designs by RR and then the kerfuffle after the war about
28 HiJazzey : Fruitbat, come on! I'm not suggesting they do an OU style lecture on thermodynamics or for them to roll out the drawings. It's really simple: make bui
29 GDB : Program titles have to be succinct for obvious reasons, however watching either of these two programs it will have become very clear that they were a
30 timboflier215 : It can't be surprising that RR and BAe took the opportunity of having a BBC film crew on site to do a bit of promoting of themselves? They were both t
31 fruitbat : On the basis of your definition, my friend, it's trivia. But fun! A lot of the design and production process is protected by patents and IPR, and is
32 Post contains images fca767 : ooo! Can I have an American Player Proxy so I can watch "Dog the bounty hunter" and erm a German one so I can watch "Big Brother" I've tried some but
33 BoeingVista : It was a bit promoish but thoroughly enjoyed the program, there were some technical revelations (to the layman) and lots of good clear shots of high
34 Dano1977 : I liked the programme, but what made my jaw drop was this... The first stage turbine blades in the hot end of a Trent that each small credit card size
35 ediCHC : Coincidentally, this show apparently airs on Sunday? Well Monday will be the centenary of the death of Charles Rolls as a result of one of Britain's e
36 GDB : A heads up for next Monday on Channel 4. A program on Concorde that lasts for 90 mins! 21.00-22.30, should also be on 4od afterwards, this i-player li
37 eljonno : It's not.
38 Post contains images timboflier215 : Awesome, thanks for the heads up GDB! You're very welcome
39 AirbusA6 : A bit of a promo film, but nevertheless a fine tribute to a very impressive company and product line. Any programme getting this much access will inev
40 Post contains links GDB : An excerpt - with an aviation theme - from tonight's program; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10568291.stm
41 TravelAVNut : For the non-UK geeks, I have a good torrent for this episode. PM me for the link. Oranje boven!!!
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