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UA Feeling The Heat In MSY?  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8056 times:

Seems to me that UA has its hands full in MSY these days, what with the increased competition on two of its key routes from MSY: DEN and LAX.

MSY-DEN has seen the return of F9 and two new nonstops by WN. UA's response? More 757 flying from the looks of it. With the next schedule change in late August there will be two 757's on MSY-DEN...the most in, at least, six years. Currently they bring the 757 in on weekends only. MSY-LAX on UA is currently at two times daily, and will go back to once daily, as usual, for September/October. The second flight is supposed to return first week in November...but by that time, the second DL flight will have been up and running for a month, and the new WN nonstop starts a week after the 2nd UA flight resumes. I'm curious to see UA's reaction to the increased MSY-LAX flying by DL and WN...if there will be one. Of course UA passengers have the CO flights at their disposal with the new codeshare. I'll say this...the past few months have been anything but dull as far as MSY goes...plenty of new stuff to talk about.

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25737 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7977 times:

I don't think United cares much either way. If a routes/flight performance does well, it stays, otherwise it can get cut.
MSY is not much in the grand scale of things network wise at UA.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7939 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
MSY is not much in the grand scale of things network wise at UA.

Obviously. I don't think I suggested otherwise.


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7895 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
UA's response? More 757 flying from the looks of it.

They are probably going to 757 for the summer vacation season. Using larger planes on a route is normally an attempt to squash fares and force the competitors out. However, airlines have not been doing that recently as they cannot afford to take the loss. If anything, the ultimate response would be to hand over MSY to UAX.


User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7766 times:

Shouldn't the analysis of UA in MSY now include CO? There's lots of MSY-DEN flights when you add up the United and Continental flights together.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7553 times:

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 4):
Shouldn't the analysis of UA in MSY now include CO?

No. We are talking $$$ and cents. United doesn't see any of that money save codeshares so I wouldn't look into it too much right now.



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User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7416 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
Obviously. I don't think I suggested otherwise.

You title the thread "UA has its hands full in MSY". The title you chose implies that MSY is key to UA survival


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6357 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 6):
You title the thread "UA has its hands full in MSY". The title you chose implies that MSY is key to UA survival

If that's how you read into it well that's not my problem. Was just curious if anyone had any opinions on the subject. Not a big deal. Obviously, I've come to the wrong place.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3555 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6327 times:

I am curious to see how the oil spill affects traffic at MSY. I've heard at some Gulf airports numbers are down big time.


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6266 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 6):
The title you chose implies that MSY is key to UA survival

No it doesn't. All the title does is ask whether or not UA is beginning to feel pressure at MSY. I really don't see how you can make such a huge leap and suggest that the title implies that MSY is key to UA's survival.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6195 times:
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Quoting mcdu (Reply 6):
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
Obviously. I don't think I suggested otherwise.

You title the thread "UA has its hands full in MSY". The title you chose implies that MSY is key to UA survival



And the title now changed to "UA Feeling the Heat in MSY" makes one think "Hey, have you ever been in New Orleans in the summer? *Of course* you feel the heat -- and the humidity."  

Something interesting though -- I booked an IAD-LAX trip for over Labor Day weekend yesterday using saved Mileage-Plus miles. I've found I could make the trip for *half the miles* if I booked IAD-MSY-LAX rather than IAD-LAX.

So it looks like some frequent flyers will be connecting through MSY in the near term.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6105 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 9):
No it doesn't. All the title does is ask whether or not UA is beginning to feel pressure at MSY. I really don't see how you can make such a huge leap and suggest that the title implies that MSY is key to UA's survival.

You nailed it.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 8):
I am curious to see how the oil spill affects traffic at MSY. I've heard at some Gulf airports numbers are down big time.

I think MSY has been relatively immune...as of right now...but certainly the longer the spill drags on the more worrisome the folks in the tourism industry become.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 10):
And the title now changed to "UA Feeling the Heat in MSY" makes one think "Hey, have you ever been in New Orleans in the summer? *Of course* you feel the heat -- and the humidity."

I guess one summer with temps below 90 would be too much to ask for lol.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 10):
Something interesting though -- I booked an IAD-LAX trip for over Labor Day weekend yesterday using saved Mileage-Plus miles. I've found I could make the trip for *half the miles* if I booked IAD-MSY-LAX rather than IAD-LAX.

So it looks like some frequent flyers will be connecting through MSY in the near term.

That is interesting. From the looking at the schedules, it'll be the same plane (A320) doing IAD-MSY-LAX, albeit with different flight numbers...and vice versa.


User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1428 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

Yeah UA shouldn't be worried. They can now include their daily flights between IAH-MSY


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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3555 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

Any interesting rumored routes at MSY? How is the free landing fees working out for new routes?


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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5018 times:
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Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
MSY-DEN has seen the return of F9 and two new nonstops by WN.

I pulled the date "August 4th" out of my hat and tried to get a bargain fare from both F9 and WN for that date. Both will give me identical "Web Only!" fares of $89 one-way. I'm guessing they're really competing with each other and not UA.

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 12):
Yeah UA shouldn't be worried. They can now include their daily flights between IAH-MSY

Post merger, UA's non-stops will include:

MSY-EWR
MSY-IAD
MSY-CLE
MSY-IAH
MSY-DEN
MSY-ORD
MSY-LAX

So MSY will become a relatively busy UA station.


User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2008 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Why doesn't United fly MSY-SFO? I honestly think that would be a really good route for them. I think they have a few gaping holes in their system from SFO they could fill (MSY being one of them). No competition and good interational connections.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 15):
Why doesn't United fly MSY-SFO? I honestly think that would be a really good route for them. I think they have a few gaping holes in their system from SFO they could fill (MSY being one of them). No competition and good interational connections.

I really have no idea why that route hasn't resumed. There's more than enough O/D traffic plus as you said good connecting options in SFO both domestically and internationally. It's actually the #1 route as far as demand goes from N.O without nonstop service. Chances are we'll see VX enter the route before UA. That might happen by early 2011.


User currently offlinecongaboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

I think MSY is just a sign of things to come for UA. WN and F9 will go after UA where ever they can out of DEN, it's just too easy. And from LAX, they just seem to be experiencing a gradual decline in their schedule. Hurry up and help these guys, CO!


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
Post merger, UA's non-stops will include:

MSY-EWR
MSY-IAD
MSY-CLE
MSY-IAH
MSY-DEN
MSY-ORD
MSY-LAX

So MSY will become a relatively busy UA station.

MSY-IAH is 12 daily (3 ERJ-145, 1 737-500, 2 737-800, 6 737-900), that route alone more than doubles UA's MSY presence.



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User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
Obviously, I've come to the wrong place.

No you haven't. I appreciate the "locals" at each airport giving us updates, opinions, and analysis of what's taking place at their airports. Thanks.

And still waiting for the return of MSY-SAN on WN by the way.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4038 times:
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Quoting congaboy (Reply 17):
And from LAX, they just seem to be experiencing a gradual decline in their schedule. Hurry up and help these guys, CO!



You lost me.

How is a 320 with Y, Y+, and F a decline in service? What was it that CO was supposed to help?

BTW, several routes with declining ridership have been saved by United Express.
For instance LAX-AUS and LAX-SAT are now CR-7s with ExPlus. So are IAD-AUS and IAD-SAT.


User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Except for FLL & MIA, UA has never really been a big player in the south. They seem to concentrate their efforts on the north east, midwest and west coast areas. Most of the time they have had "token" service to southern cities.
Maybe over the last few years they are rethinking that effort.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3035 times:
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Quoting type-rated (Reply 21):
Except for FLL & MIA, UA has never really been a big player in the south. They seem to concentrate their efforts on the north east, midwest and west coast areas. Most of the time they have had "token" service to southern cities.
Maybe over the last few years they are rethinking that effort.

That was one of the talking points when Mr. Smisek and Mr. Tilton testified before the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee. CO and UA overlap at very few points, so they really serve different market demographics and different communities. Thus there is really no reason to oppose their merger since competition will not really be eliminated in the true sense.


Quoting STT757 (Reply 18):
MSY-IAH is 12 daily (3 ERJ-145, 1 737-500, 2 737-800, 6 737-900), that route alone more than doubles UA's MSY presence

Tens of thousands of New Orleanians relocated to the Houston Area after hurricane Katrina, so I would expect a great deal of cross-fertilization between the two cities.

I've flown CO 757s IAH-MSY-IAH, and the planes were *full*.

[Edited 2010-06-28 14:17:53]

User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 22):

Tens of thousands of New Orleanians relocated to the Houston Area after hurricane Katrina, so I would expect a great deal of cross-fertilization between the two cities.

With respect, Houston and New Orleans had strong economic and cultural ties long before Katrina.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 22):
Tens of thousands of New Orleanians relocated to the Houston Area after hurricane Katrina, so I would expect a great deal of cross-fertilization between the two cities.
Quoting goldenstate (Reply 23):
With respect, Houston and New Orleans had strong economic and cultural ties long before Katrina.

Yeah CO Katrina really doesn't factor into the service levels, it's driven by business ties (mainly oil business).



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25 DeltAirlines : Indeed...business is the big driver here. The UA merger could be a good thing for this route too, as I wouldn't be shocked if some of the PMUA's 757-
26 Post contains images MSYtristar : There have always been strong business ties between the two cities. The route is getting a couple of 753's back in October, and two of the ERJ's go b
27 nonrevman : Tourism seems to be on the rise post Katrina. Also, some of the population is returning to New Orleans since the big storm. Perhaps that will increase
28 kgaiflyer : CO and UA appear to both be stretched to their narrow-body limits right now -- unless something is returned from the desert. For instance, both airli
29 TOMMY767 : Not true. Pre Katrina CO flew 737s and 757s on EWR-MSY. Post Katrina it was mainly on E145s and a year later back to 735 and a few years later, some
30 MSYtristar : I'm pretty sure STT757 was talking just about MSY-IAH. 757's were never scheduled on EWR-MSY on a consistent basis even before Katrina. They were add
31 TOMMY767 : I think in 2006 CO at one point may have only flown E145s on EWR-MSY for a while. I remember going to MSY for volunteer work in May 2006 and opting t
32 STT757 : CO has recently retired their entire 737-300 and most of their 737-500 fleet at a much faster rate than they have been taking delivery of new 737-800
33 Tango-Bravo : Sorry...not the way it typically works in an airline merger...especially when an unwieldy airline that can't get out of its own way swallows up a wel
34 kgaiflyer : Whoever the majority stockholder of the new company is, It's not about takeovers and superimposition of wills and old-boy philosophies. It's about ne
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