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Ryanair B738 Circling EMA Now...why?  
User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 9428 times:

Hi folks,

Just seen this on flightradar....

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt178/BAW076/untitled.jpg

What's going on?

Pilot training perhaps?

Cheers,
Chris.


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User currently offlineskord From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 9383 times:

In my limited experience, this happens on odd occasions on flightradar... i usually put it down to computer error. No doubt someone will correct me rather quickly if im wrong. I have seen many instances like this where the "trail" has gone hay-wire up and down the country. lets see what an expert has to say!

User currently offlineLIFFY1A From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 9324 times:

It could be pilot training. Ryanair do use East Midlands for base training. Pilots will go up and do 6 circuits.

User currently offlineflyingbird From Sweden, joined Mar 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9136 times:

Quoting skord (Reply 1):

It's not an error, if Flightradar24.com shows a circle, it has been flying in circles.


User currently offlinejoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9074 times:

Quoting LIFFY1A (Reply 2):
It could be pilot training. Ryanair do use East Midlands for base training. Pilots will go up and do 6 circuits.

My god, does the pilot have to pay for the fuel and other costs??


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

It must be a training, EMA is use to do Touch and go after finishing the type rating in the simulator, also in EMA. so is not the first time that happens.

User currently offlinetavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 834 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8954 times:

It´s cheaper letting passengers fall over their houses than landing in the Airport??? 

Gus
SKBO



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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1354 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8797 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 5):
It must be a training

The callsign .. RYR100T ... would also suggest a training flight as that seems to be regularly used as Ryanair's training callsign.



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User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8488 times:

A few months ago whilst at EMA I watched a Ryanair 738 fly several touch and go's, some circuits a bit tight some a bit longer which would look just like the overview above.

User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

It was touch and go...i was watching it.


Quite a bit of this goes off at EMA, seen a few nice Virgin A340's at it here too



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User currently offlineJuniorSpotter From Sweden, joined Mar 2004, 225 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7368 times:

The landing-fee slot-machine broke, and passengers couldn't pay to land the plane?  


If something can go wrong, it will.
User currently offlineskygirl1990 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2010, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

Quoting tavong (Reply 6):
It´s cheaper letting passengers fall over their houses than landing in the Airport??? 

Gus
SKBO

You saw it here first...  



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User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1072 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

If they are flight training that's suprising to me. At my airline in the U.S. we haven't done any real aircraft training for over 20 years, it's all in the simulator. The first time you actually fly the real thing is on a revenue flight, with a check airman in the right or left seat depending if you are captain or F/O. Not to make you guys nervous or anything...

[Edited 2010-06-29 21:09:46]

[Edited 2010-06-29 21:29:15]

User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

lots of airlines do real flight training. Maybe it is just a European thing, and American airlines love the idea of saving money more than real hands on training of the real thing. Or they could have just taken delivery of a new airplane?

User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1072 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 13):
lots of airlines do real flight training. Maybe it is just a European thing, and American airlines love the idea of saving money more than real hands on training of the real thing. Or they could have just taken delivery of a new airplane?

Sure it's about saving money. A LOT of money. That's why I'm suprised RyanAir would do it.

In the last 20 years I have gotten my type-ratings in the F-28, 757/767, 737, E-190 and A-320 without having any training in the real airplane, until the initial operating experience with a check airman. No big deal at all and aircraft training wouldn't have been of any benefit, which amazed me at the time as well. The last aircraft training I did was in the 727 for the required three take-off and landings back in 1988.

Back in the '60s and '70s before the majority was done in simulators their were quite a few fatal checking/training crashes. The worst was a Delta DC-8 on a two-engine approach at MSY in 1967 that crashed into a hotel, killing a number of people. Some others:

Two American 707s on Long Island, 1959 and 1961
Braniff 707, 1959
Delta Convair 880, 1960
TWA Convair 880, 1965
Aero Mexico DC-8, 1966
Air Canada DC-8, 1967
Capitol DC-8, 1968
Seaboard World DC-8, 1969
JAL Convair 880, 1969
Western Boeing 720, 1971
Delta DC-9, 1972
Eastern DC-9, 1979

[Edited 2010-06-29 22:34:42]

[Edited 2010-06-29 23:03:04]

User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Sure it is dangerous and saves money, but at the end of the day, you at least need to do a few circuits in the real thing. Don't you agree it's a good idea? A simulator can only do so much.

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