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AS At IAH, Any Possible Increased Service?  
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Alaska Airlines has been operating a single flight from IAH to SEA since they started service in Houston. Any guess at the chance they may increase frequency to SEA or additional destination to maybe PDX?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30910 posts, RR: 87
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4141 times:
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I guess it would depend on how much of that traffic was pure O&D and how much was connecting services to CO flights.

AS may no longer code-share with CO (I only see the daily AS flight come up on their reservations page), so if this is the case, then AS' traffic is likely pure O&D and therefore additional / new services might not be justifiable depending on the traffic levels.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4114 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
AS may no longer code-share with CO (I only see the daily AS flight come up on their reservations page), so if this is the case, then AS' traffic is likely pure O&D and therefore additional / new services might not be justifiable depending on the traffic levels.

That is correct. AS no longer codeshares with CO, nor are they partners in Mileage Plan.

IAH flights may not be strictly O&D considering connections from other places in AS/QX system.

I would like to see more flights between SEA-IAH and SEA-ATL. But I think it would also depend on aircraft resources. AS is stretched pretty thin nowadays.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

I know they need to add another SEA-MIA....those filghts are packed packed packed


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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

I would think eventually SEA-ATL will see increased frequency if MSP did. SEA-ATL certainly has more draw than SEA-MSP. IAH I'm not so sure. Perhaps we should start seasonal ANC-IAH service. When CO flies that route in the summer their load factor is well over 90%.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Thread starter):
Any guess at the chance they may increase frequency to SEA or additional destination to maybe PDX?
Quoting hatbutton (Reply 4):
Perhaps we should start seasonal ANC-IAH service. When CO flies that route in the summer their load factor is well over 90%.

I think we would see a IAH-ANC flight before we see a PDX-IAH flight.



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User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

This flight has the lowest load factor out of the Texas cities AS serves. The flight will move back to it's original afternoon departure due to load factor going down after moving to a morning departure. I don't think you will see any new service soon. AUS beats out DFW and DFW has the AA connections on that end.

User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Quoting NW (Reply 6):
This flight has the lowest load factor out of the Texas cities AS serves.

Do you have numbers for the AUS flight? IAHSpotters reported the AS flight had 65%LF to IAH and 71%LF from IAH for May 2010.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9612 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):

AS may no longer code-share with CO (I only see the daily AS flight come up on their reservations page), so if this is the case, then AS' traffic is likely pure O&D and therefore additional / new services might not be justifiable depending on the traffic levels.

It is definitely not strictly O/D. A lot of people connect in SEA to the Pacific Northwest, Canada and Alaska.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Thread starter):
Any guess at the chance they may increase frequency to SEA or additional destination to maybe PDX?
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 2):
I would like to see more flights between SEA-IAH and SEA-ATL.
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 3):
I know they need to add another SEA-MIA....those filghts are packed packed packed

With what airplane? Didn't AS defer some 738's for the time being?



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

We already know from the addition of SEA-STL that the current AS fleet is almost entirely accounted for - they even admitted that the plane for that route was coming from the discontinuation of PDX-DEN. Not really sure where these plans for the new Hawaii flights are coming from. My guess is reduction in frequencies on trunk routes like SEA-ANC, SEA-LAX, etc.

So, even if SEA-IAH is doing well, there would have to be a pretty compelling reason (90%+ load factors on the 739, for instance) to convince AS to cut a route somewhere else to add another frequency into IAH...



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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3665 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 7):
Do you have numbers for the AUS flight? IAHSpotters reported the AS flight had 65%LF to IAH and 71%LF from IAH for May 2010.

Here are the LFs for all of AS's Texas flights going back to September when SEA-IAH service started up to the most available data in March.

AUS SEA 84.85%
SEA AUS 88.64%

AUS SJC 76.20%
SJC AUS 73.35%

DFW SEA 79.14%
SEA DFW 82.83%

IAH SEA 67.05%
SEA IAH 70.54%

Clearly IAH is not performing as well LF-wise. However, doesn't necessarily mean profits are suffering.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3649 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
Didn't AS defer some 738's for the time being?

I don't think so. AS is supposed to take delivery of a 738 today.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 2997 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
I don't think so. AS is supposed to take delivery of a 738 today.

They are returning some of their leased a/c; by year's end, I believe they reported they would be down by 1 net a/c...

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 3):
I know they need to add another SEA-MIA....those filghts are packed packed packed

Which doesn't mean a thing... yields, yields, yields. (LAX and SEA to CUN flights were also packed, packed, packed... ooops, I should say, the soon-to-be-discontinued LA and SEA to CUN flights -- as were the former PDX-MCO flights!)

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 2965 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 3):
I know they need to add another SEA-MIA....those filghts are packed packed packed

Which doesn't mean a thing... yields, yields, yields.

With a median one-way fare of $260.41, AS is probably getting those yields. That's its second highest average one-way fare for its Seattle transcons after, of course, Reagan.



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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 10):
Not really sure where these plans for the new Hawaii flights are coming from. My guess is reduction in frequencies on trunk routes like SEA-ANC, SEA-LAX, etc.

Actually, as I understand it the new Hawaii routes coincide with the delivery of, IIRC, two new aircraft which will be used for additional lift and not replacing older aircraft for now.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
With a median one-way fare of $260.41, AS is probably getting those yields. That's its second highest average one-way fare for its Seattle transcons after, of course, Reagan.

I have a hunch there's something not right about that -- for one, if yields are so high and the flight is as packed as it is (which I know from experience it is), then why doesn't AS add a second daily flight to MIA instead of what'll be fairly low-yielding SJC/OAK-LIH as was recently announced? That seems more than logical considering they have double daily or more flights to BOS, EWR, ORD+1, and DFW... Also, AS discontinued SEA-MIA temporarily for about 3 months a few summers ago, which would be an odd move if it was such a moneymaker... and if it wasn't, why was it not profitable enough then, and is today?

I guess all I'm asking is, where do you get your data?

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 15):

I guess all I'm asking is, where do you get your data?

It's DOT data, publicly available on dms.dot.gov.

AS is probably able to extract a higher fare on MIA-SEA than EWR/BOS/MCO-SEA simply because it is the only one non-stop between South Florida and Seattle when the market size can probably handle three dailies.

And what AS did three years ago is entirely irrelevant to the route's performance today.

And, furthermore, median fare is an indicator of a route's performance, but not the sole one. There are a lot of variables to put in, but at that average one-way fare, the flight probably does well.

And who is to say Lihue is low-yield? Lihue and Maui tend to see stronger yields than Honolulu and Kona.

Back to the topic, AS' grabbed a 5% annualized marketshare on IAH-SEA, a median fare of $166.04 and an average loadfactor of 62%. But this data is only for its first three months of operations.

[Edited 2010-06-30 01:47:44]


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
And who is to say Lihue is low-yield? Lihue and Maui tend to see stronger yields than Honolulu and Kona.

Very much depends on the season. The same is true with the rest of the U.S. carriers or any carriers serving the Islands.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 15):
I have a hunch there's something not right about that -- for one, if yields are so high and the flight is as packed as it is (which I know from experience it is), then why doesn't AS add a second daily flight to MIA instead of what'll be fairly low-yielding SJC/OAK-LIH as was recently announced? That seems more than logical considering they have double daily or more flights to BOS, EWR, ORD+1, and DFW... Also, AS discontinued SEA-MIA temporarily for about 3 months a few summers ago, which would be an odd move if it was such a moneymaker... and if it wasn't, why was it not profitable enough then, and is today?

I guess all I'm asking is, where do you get your data?

Stage length is very long....probably an aircraft ultilization issue....I know SEA-MIA is right at the edge of the 738s range with meaningful load



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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3404 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 8):
It is definitely not strictly O/D. A lot of people connect in SEA to the Pacific Northwest, Canada and Alaska.

I would assume there are significant connections between oil interests in IAH and the state of AK?



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 19):
I would assume there are significant connections between oil interests in IAH and the state of AK?

North Slope "shift" traffic is huge....it is very very hard to get a business first seat on CO's IAH-SEA-ANC or IAH-ANC....



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 20):
....it is very very hard to get a business first seat on CO's IAH-SEA-ANC or IAH-ANC....

You can't do it unless you by it well in advance from what I've seen.

When CO has used the B738 on the IAH-ANC seasonal flights, it certainly has tested the legs of that machine. IMHO, IAH-ANC could use more flights, either CO or AS.



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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
It's DOT data, publicly available on dms.dot.gov.

Thank you for the reply, that makes sense. I tried accessing that website but it seems I can't access it. Is there another way of finding that data? I'm now really curious to see information like that on other routes.

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

Speaking of ORD, how are the flights to PDX and SEA doing? I recently flew DFW-SEA and there wasn't an empty seat!

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 22):
Thank you for the reply, that makes sense. I tried accessing that website but it seems I can't access it. Is there another way of finding that data

Anthony, here's the link I use to access the DOT data:
http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/X-5...e_files/consumerairfarereport.htm?
(Table 6, IMHO, is the best presentation of the data I want to use...)

Hope it works for you. (IM me if you need any additional help.)

bb


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (4 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 21):
IAH-ANC could use more flights, either CO or AS.

Y loads are not so great half the year.....



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