R.I.P TWA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1309 times:
Yeah, it's a shame they don't really exist too much nowadays. I remember flying LAX-JFK, JFK-SFO on TWA 741s, hell even STL-JFK once in a while. Although towards the end of their lives the passenger loads were pathetic. At times I would have the whole last section to myself (JFK-LAX). Plenty of room to stretch out, although I seem to remember the occasional oxygen mask flying out on a bumpy landing. Old birds, but classics. I imagine if United or northwest has any left they will soon be phased out. Shame really.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1281 times:
Let me also give a premptive reply here (I know this is going to be asked).
Following is a list of US (passenger) carriers that at one time operated 747's, but do not any more as a result of disposal or shutdown. I'm sure I'll forget one or two, but this is most of them.
R.I.P TWA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1282 times:
Just not economical. And since US carriers AREN'T subsidized by the governement (at least not to the same degree as foreign carriers) they just don't see the point, thus the success of the B-777 among US carriers. There is no room for nationalism when you've got stockholders breathing down your neck to turn a profit. Can you imagine UA operating JFK-LAX with a 744? When they've got every major US airline to compete with on the NYC-LAX route? Not a chance. Used to be that there weren't so many transcont. flights from east coast to west and therefore people had to connect through JFK or ORD and could sustain a 747. Now there are non-stops from every podunk city in the East to LAX. BDL, EWR, BOS, IAD, CLT, and soon Jet blue will offer non-stop to Long Beach. Just too much competition. Or not enough, depending on how you see it.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1253 times:
Are you suggesting that US carriers should buy the 747 just for patriotic reasons? Would you also want the large cruise lines to buy their ships from US shipyards?
None of them do at the present time. In fact the large cruise lines that sail fron the US, ie: Carnival, RCCL, Princess, Holland America, Celebrity etc. are foreign lines.
How about the fact that the largest selling cars in the US are Toyota and Honda. Are the people who buy them being unpatiotic?
The US airlines are going to do what makes economic sense which is to buy the aircraft that best meets their needs.
IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6372 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1249 times:
The Alaska order was for a -100 in the early days of the 747. At the time the only route they could have operated it on was ANC-SEA. Their brains kicked in long before building started and the order was cancelled.
America West ordered 4 -400s though.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1256 times:
To MattD and the others - dont forget airlines are a business, and no carrier is going to fly an aircraft that does not make sense for its route system, regardless of where it is built. The US carriers simply do not need the capacity that the 744 offers, except for certain long haul intercontinetnal routes and occassionaly an inter-hub flight (ie, UA DEN-SFO). As stated above, almost every major US carrier purchased the 747 when it was introduced, only to realize that they were impossible to keep full on most routes and a cost a fortune to operate. In this day and age of hubs and frequent departures, the 747 would be a burden to most US carriers.
I, for whatever reason, always find a flight on 747 to be a bit special, as a child, I loved flying the National 747-100s between JFK and MIA.
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33445 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1242 times:
The only domestic route on a 747 I can think of is LAX-IAD and IAD-LAX on UA as part of thier "Round the World" flights. SAA flies a 744 on FLL-ATL and Aerolineas Argentinas on JFK-MIA, QF flies one on JFK-LAX, and, while not truly domestic, Cathay Pacific flies a 744 on JFK-YVR (and is allowed to carry passengers on just that leg) but, of course, QF, AR, and SA can't carry passengers between just those two cities. When AA, DL, and everyone operated 747s, popular routes included MIA-JFK, JFK-ORD, ORD-LAX, LAX-JFK, JFK-SFO, and flights between hubs and Hawaii. I can't think of any 747 routes on NW today. Anyone?
IAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1209 times:
Northwest I believe still uses the 747 between DTW and MSP and SEA. They used to operate one between PHX and DTW and may still operate that flight with one or a DC-10. NWA has a few more 747's than UAL but UAL does operate far more -400's than NWA.