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Japan Airlines (JL) Announces Haneda Schedule  
User currently offlinecoolfish1103 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 404 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11268 times:

Japan Airlines (JL), also known as JAL, announces flight operation from Haneda today for operations beginning in 31OCT10 (w/certain exceptions). Some flights are already in existence but has time changes.

Bangkok
JO 0033 0110HND - BKK0620 767 1234567
JO 0034 2300BKK - HND0655+1 767 1234567

Beijing - Pending Approval
JL 0023 0945HND - PEK1250 767 1234567
JL 0024 1640PEK - HND2100 767 1234567

Hong Kong - Replace Narita Service (JL 0731/2 ends on the same date)
JL 0027 1000HND - HKG1405 777 1234567
JL 0028 1545HKG - HND2025 777 1234567

Honolulu
JO 0088 2230HND - HNL1045 767 1234567
JO 0089 1825HNL - HND2230+1 767 1234567

Paris CDG
JL 0041 0130HND - CDG0620 777 1234567
JL 0042 1100CDG - HND0655+1 777 1234567

San Francisco - Narita service ends on the same date
JL 0002 0005HND - SFO1605-1 777 1234567
JL 0001 1750SFO - HND2235+1 777 1234567 (Actually flies out on 30OCT10 due to time difference)

Seoul Gimpo
JL 0091 0830HND - GMP1100 767 1234567
JL 0092 1210GMP - HND1415 767 1234567

JL 0093 1530HND - GMP1800 767 1234567
JL 0094 1935GMP - HND2140 767 1234567

JL 0095 1945HND - GMP2215 767 1234567 (Additional New Flight)
JL 0090 0800GMP - HND1005 767 1234567 (Additional New Flight, flies out on 01NOV10)

Shanghai Hongqiao - Pending Approval
JL 0081 0925HND - SHA1150 777 1234567
JL 0082 1305SHA - HND1645 777 1234567

Singapore - Replace Narita service (JL 0711/0 ends on the same date)
JL 0035 2350HND - SIN0630+1 767 1234567
JL 0036 2215SIN - HND0555+1 767 1234567

Taipei Songshan - Replace Narita Service (JL 0801/6 ends on the same date)
JL 0031 1110HND - TSA1415 767 1234567
JL 0032 1515TSA - HND1900 767 1234567

JL 0039 1755HND - TSA2100 767 1234567
JL 0030 1000TSA - HND1345 767 1234567

All flights out of Haneda are served on 767 or 777.

Link: http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201006/001577.html

[Edited 2010-06-30 00:12:42]

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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3658 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11082 times:
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Quoting coolfish1103 (Thread starter):
Honolulu
JO 0088 2230HND - HNL1045 767 1234567
JO 0089 1825HNL - HND2230+1 767 1234567

The return is quite a bit later than I last saw. It also is scheduled to leave 10 min after ANA, but arrive at the same time. BTW, the HND-HNL flight number is JO80, not JO88.


User currently offlinecoolfish1103 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

It's not allowing me to edit for some reason, so yes, it is JO 80, sorry for the typo.

User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1063 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10998 times:

Quoting coolfish1103 (Thread starter):
Singapore - Replace Narita service (JL 0711/0 ends on the same date)
JL 0035 2350HND - SIN0630+1 767 1234567
JL 0036 2215SIN - HND0555+1 767 1234567

Wow, the aircraft stays for 15h 45m in SIN? They can actually operate a SIN-NRT-SIN in that timeframe and get the plane back in time for the leg back to HND..



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User currently offlinecoolfish1103 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10975 times:

Quoting initious (Reply 3):

Wow, the aircraft stays for 15h 45m in SIN? They can actually operate a SIN-NRT-SIN in that timeframe and get the plane back in time for the leg back to HND..

I believe that's the plan for BKK and SIN.


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10962 times:

Quoting coolfish1103 (Thread starter):
Singapore - Replace Narita service (JL 0711/0 ends on the same date)

As far as I can tell, removing JL711 (NRT-SIN) will eliminate all connections between North America and Singapore for both JAL itself, and AA in that direction.

[Edited 2010-06-30 02:02:42]


Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10943 times:

Quoting coolfish1103 (Thread starter):
Beijing - Pending Approval
Quoting coolfish1103 (Thread starter):
Shanghai Hongqiao - Pending Approval

It's actually the proposed frequency increase that is pending approval and that is not listed here. JAL already flies HND-PEK and HND-SHA once daily each and they will be staying for sure. They earlier announced each would be increased to 2x daily, provided it is agreed by China.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineAirlineEcon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10820 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 5):
Singapore - Replace Narita service (JL 0711/0 ends on the same date)
Quoting coolfish1103 (Thread starter):
Hong Kong - Replace Narita Service (JL 0731/2 ends on the same date)

That's a bummer that they remove the possibility of AA/JAL connections at NRT on these routes.

Never been to HND. Will the int'l transit at HND be as smooth and comfortable as at NRT?


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10782 times:

Quoting AirlineEcon (Reply 7):
That's a bummer that they remove the possibility of AA/JAL connections at NRT on these routes.

Hong Kong connections will still be possible in both directions because the NRT-HKG-NRT flight that is going does not connect to the TPAC bank anyway. JAL will still fly one daily NRT-HKG-NRT, timed perfectly for connections to and from North America.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10572 times:
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Are CDG and SFO 77W as operated from Narita.

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10013 times:

Quoting coolfish1103 (Thread starter):
Paris CDG
JL 0041 0130HND - CDG0620 777 1234567
JL 0042 1100CDG - HND0655+1 777 1234567

This is an excellent schedule and perfectly complements the existing NRT-CDG flight -:

JL405 11:05 NRT 16:40 CDG
JL041 01:30 HND 06:20 CDG

JL042 11:00 CDG 06:55 HND
JL406 19:25 CDG 14:15 NRT

In both directions, travellers have the option of a mid-morning flight or a later flight after the business day has ended. Both directions also have the option of an early morning arrival allowing a full days business on either end of the route.

The flights from Haneda to Singapore and Bangkok also have the same benefits, and all three connect perfectly in both directions to JAL’s entire domestic network, which covers over 30 Japanese cities, most of which have no access to Narita. JAL claims they will run a shuttle bus between the domestic and international terminals which takes only 8 minutes each way using a tunnel under the runway.

Quoting coolfish1103 (Thread starter):
San Francisco - Narita service ends on the same date
JL 0002 0005HND - SFO1605-1 777 1234567
JL 0001 1750SFO - HND2235+1 777 1234567

I'm not too sure that this flight will be a success. They are going from a well-timed SFO-NRT flight, with connections all through Asia, to a poorly timed HND flight with zero connections. Hopefully, HND will still command a premium, but a redeye westbound schedule, like NH’s LAX-HND, would have worked a lot better, IMHO -:

JL001 SFO 00:20 HND 05:05

A morning HND arrival would have been better for the local market, and allowed them to leverage the strong domestic network for connections.

Quoting coolfish1103 (Thread starter):
Bangkok

Only one Japanese carrier is permitted to fly from Haneda to Thailand and yet both JAL and ANA have applied for HND-BKK and announced it. Since JAL has loaded the schedule for booking from tomorrow, does this mean they have been successful?

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 5):
As far as I can tell, removing JL711 (NRT-SIN) will eliminate all connections between North America and Singapore for both JAL itself, and AA in that direction.

If JAL does not re-time the remaining NRT-SIN to allow connections from the USA, I think that AA will have to jump into the NRT-SIN market when open skies and the joint venture with JAL take effect. With the current schedule, AA has a 777 on the ground in NRT for almost 20 hours for the morning NRT-DFW flight. Without any additional equipment, they could replace the cancelled JAL NRT-SIN-NRT flights and maintain SIN connectivity to the entire AA/JL transpacific network. A schedule like this would work well -:

AA61 DFW 12:10 NRT 15:05 772 [current flight]
AA61 NRT 17:50 SIN 00:00 772 [proposed extra segment]

AA176 SIN 01:30 NRT 09:05 772 [proposed extra segment]
AA176 NRT 11:30 DFW 09:10 772 [current flight]

The 17:50 departure from Tokyo would replace the cancelled JL711 flight and connect from all AA and JL transpacific flights. The 09:10 arrival in NRT would connect to the mid-morning flights to the USA, replacing JL710. The remaining JL712 SIN-NRT flight still connects to the main afternoon transpacific bank anyway.

In a similar way, I think JAL will probably want to re-time the current JO708 BKK-NRT flight, because now its almost identical to the new BKK-HND flight -:

JO708 23:00 BKK 07:10 NRT
JO034 23:00 BKK 06:55 HND

The local traffic will prefer Haneda, so JAL could re-time the Narita flight an hour or two later to shorten connection times to the mid-morning North America bank from Narita which starts at around 11:00.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
Are CDG and SFO 77W as operated from Narita.

Not sure about CDG yet, but its looking like HND-SFO will be operated by 777-200ER equipment, which means end to first class service on the route. I wonder where JAL will re-deploy the 777-300ER?



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9241 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 10):
San Francisco - Narita service ends on the same date
JL 0002 0005HND - SFO1605-1 777 1234567
JL 0001 1750SFO - HND2235+1 777 1234567

I'm not too sure that this flight will be a success. They are going from a well-timed SFO-NRT flight, with connections all through Asia, to a poorly timed HND flight with zero connections.

That was my thought as well; a downgrade in terms of schedule and - as you pointed out - fewer, if not null, thru connection opportunities. Wow... hard to believe that JL wants to inflict this on itself.... But then again, maybe they are forced to narrow their ambitions from a semi-global carrier to a Japan o/d carrier only.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9209 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 1):
The return is quite a bit later than I last saw. It also is scheduled to leave 10 min after ANA, but arrive at the same time. BTW, the HND-HNL flight number is JO80, not JO88.

It's so awesome that HA was awarded this route, so now this over-served market can have 3 different HNL-HND flights as well as NRT-HNL flights, while other markets in the USA with more traffic won't get HND.

HA won't fill these planes.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9142 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 12):
It's so awesome that HA was awarded this route, so now this over-served market can have 3 different HNL-HND flights as well as NRT-HNL flights, while other markets in the USA with more traffic won't get HND.

JAL and ANA are not tied to the routes and can move them around. And I suspect once they are allowed to cooperate with AA and UA, respectively, they might change things around. Kind of funny that ANA is operating to the more important oneWorld hub and JAL is operating to the more important Star hub. I wonder how much AA and UA will try to sway them away from those routes.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25368 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9085 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 10):
I'm not too sure that this flight will be a success. They are going from a well-timed SFO-NRT flight, with connections all through Asia, to a poorly timed HND flight with zero connections. Hopefully, HND will still command a premium, but a redeye westbound schedule, like NH’s LAX-HND, would have worked a lot better, IMHO -:

JL001 SFO 00:20 HND 05:05

A morning HND arrival would have been better for the local market, and allowed them to leverage the strong domestic network for connections.

I agree, the timing of the SFO-HND is pretty bad and they cant leverage all their domestic connections like ANA plans to do with its LAX-HND

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 10):

If JAL does not re-time the remaining NRT-SIN to allow connections from the USA, I think that AA will have to jump into the NRT-SIN market when open skies and the joint venture with JAL take effect.

Since when does AA have to serve SIN? There are higher priority targets in Asia then a far point like SIN which is a Star hub and already has plenty of competition. Anyhow AA's not really know for such tag beyond flying.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9082 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
JAL and ANA are not tied to the routes and can move them around. And I suspect once they are allowed to cooperate with AA and UA, respectively, they might change things around. Kind of funny that ANA is operating to the more important oneWorld hub and JAL is operating to the more important Star hub. I wonder how much AA and UA will try to sway them away from those routes.

That's all well and good, but as an American citizen I feel the awards were rigged and not in the best interest of the nation. The HA authority is basically to make it slightly easier for Japanese tourists to visit Hawaii, something they would still do from NRT. There are already 3 744s, 2 777s and a 767 on HNL-NRT, and now we are getting 3 additional HND flights, into two airports with restricted access. There were other US cities that would benefit more from a HND connection, both as O&D, not mostly D.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9046 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 15):
That's all well and good, but as an American citizen I feel the awards were rigged and not in the best interest of the nation. The HA authority is basically to make it slightly easier for Japanese tourists to visit Hawaii, something they would still do from NRT. There are already 3 744s, 2 777s and a 767 on HNL-NRT, and now we are getting 3 additional HND flights, into two airports with restricted access. There were other US cities that would benefit more from a HND connection, both as O&D, not mostly D.

I entirely agree with you. Hawaiian should not have been awarded a Haneda slot which is of little use or benefit to the majority of the American public.,



a.
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11630 posts, RR: 61
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9046 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
Since when does AA have to serve SIN? There are higher priority targets in Asia then a far point like SIN which is a Star hub and already has plenty of competition.

Singapore is a massive market in areas like finance/banking, transportation and shipping, oil/energy, information technology, biotechnology, etc. It is the economic hub of Southeast Asia.

AA needs to have easy, convenient, 1-stop access to such an important market, which will not be possible if JAL drops the evening Narita-Singapore and morning Singapore-Narita flights as planned and they aren't replaced.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
Anyhow AA's not really know for such tag beyond flying.

If they lost 1-stop connectivity to such an important global business market, that might change.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you - AA isn't for these tag flights, and certainly not to such a farflung market where AA has no historical presence and is so systemically weak.

However, that being said, again, AA needs 1-stop access to Singapore.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25368 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8981 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 17):
Singapore is a massive market in areas like finance/banking, transportation and shipping, oil/energy, information technology, biotechnology, etc. It is the economic hub of Southeast Asia.
Quoting commavia (Reply 17):
However, that being said, again, AA needs 1-stop access to Singapore.

As someone that visits Singapore at least twice annually, the small island states presence or impression of importance is much greater then reality and very much based on the hugely inflated transit volume of passenger, cargo and shipping that takes place. The Singapore home market is smaller in size then many other Asian capital cities.

So no I don't see AA need to service far flung SIN on its own, particularly as its a Star mega hub with plenty of service, for which AA would struggle to fill O&D only without the benefit of connectivity.
I see AA first in places like Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea ever before touching Singapore or Bangkok for instance.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11630 posts, RR: 61
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8932 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
As someone that visits Singapore at least twice annually, the small island states presence or impression of importance is much greater then reality and very much based on the hugely inflated transit volume of passenger, cargo and shipping that takes place.

Well, as somebody who has lived in Singapore, and who works for a company that sends tons of people there on a continual basis, I can say with confidence that its "presence" and "impression of importance" is entirely reality, and entirely huge.

Singapore may only have a local population of five million, but it's economic output per person is nearly four times that of the next-highest country in the region excepting Brunei (Malaysia).

My "perception" is based on the "reality" that I have seen, experienced, and lived - and not on the traffic volume moving in and out of Changi or Jurong on any given day.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
The Singapore home market is smaller in size then many other Asian capital cities.

And its business volume and economic output is dramatically more than many other Asian cities many times its size.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
I see AA first in places like Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea ever before touching Singapore or Bangkok for instance.

AA needs to be flying to Hong Kong (from Chicago) and Seoul (from Dallas/Fort Worth), but Taiwan is too low-yielding to serve profitably from any AA hub (and the EVA codeshare is more than sufficient) and Bangkok is too low-yielding.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25368 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8891 times:

We agree to disagree, however I deal with SIN and see loads, traffic flows, and numbers and don't see much hope for AA there.
A good example to look at is NW/DL which even with its large Asia presence continues to struggle vis-a-vis United in SIN both passenger(multiple size changes) and cargo (it was one of the earliest NW freighter stations to get axe off the freighter network).



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8687 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 8):
Quoting AirlineEcon (Reply 7):
That's a bummer that they remove the possibility of AA/JAL connections at NRT on these routes.

Hong Kong connections will still be possible in both directions because the NRT-HKG-NRT flight that is going does not connect to the TPAC bank anyway. JAL will still fly one daily NRT-HKG-NRT, timed perfectly for connections to and from North America.

Fortunately there is still CX with multiple frequencies out of NRT-pax can use the AA-CX combination as well..  

The reverse is true as well for HKG-NRT-USofA. CX-AA will work.


I'm not so sure about this new SFO-HND-SFO schedule...  

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 10):
If JAL does not re-time the remaining NRT-SIN to allow connections from the USA, I think that AA will have to jump into the NRT-SIN market when open skies and the joint venture with JAL take effect. With the current schedule, AA has a 777 on the ground in NRT for almost 20 hours for the morning NRT-DFW flight. Without any additional equipment, they could replace the cancelled JAL NRT-SIN-NRT flights and maintain SIN connectivity to the entire AA/JL transpacific network. A schedule like this would work well -:

SJC-NRT-SIN-NRT-SJC..  .....

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 11):

That was my thought as well; a downgrade in terms of schedule and - as you pointed out - fewer, if not null, thru connection opportunities. Wow... hard to believe that JL wants to inflict this on itself.... But then again, maybe they are forced to narrow their ambitions from a semi-global carrier to a Japan o/d carrier only.

I'm hoping they redo their schedule.....



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7907 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
I entirely agree with you. Hawaiian should not have been awarded a Haneda slot which is of little use or benefit to the majority of the American public.,

I'm sure they also considered the benefit to the Hawaii economy of more Japanese tourists who will probably find the HND-HNL flights much more convenient than NRT-HNL.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

The fact that CDG is the first and sole (probably for a short time) European city to be HND linked by JAL , is probably an answer to Air France which will be the first European airline to land at HND.

User currently onlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7846 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 19):
Well, as somebody who has lived in Singapore, and who works for a company that sends tons of people there on a continual basis, I can say with confidence that its "presence" and "impression of importance" is entirely reality, and entirely huge.

Singapore may only have a local population of five million, but it's economic output per person is nearly four times that of the next-highest country in the region excepting Brunei (Malaysia).

My "perception" is based on the "reality" that I have seen, experienced, and lived - and not on the traffic volume moving in and out of Changi or Jurong on any given day.

I second that !


25 coolfish1103 : I don't think JAL cares about feeding. Almost all flights to Haneda now are simply for O/D, not for transit purposes. What JAL really needs now is cas
26 MAH4546 : If AA were to operate an NRT-SIN flight as part of its 50/50 joint-venture with JAL, under which it could be included, I see absolutely no problem wi
27 Post contains links kiwiandrew : It will be interesting to see whether this schedule ever becomes reality - given the latest indications of the state they are in will JL still be arou
28 commavia : Yes. The Japanese government can and will continue subsidizing JAL's existence while in bankruptcy if need be. It is a face-saving exercise, of cours
29 carpethead : I agree that JL probably has put less emphasis on capturing the connection traffic market. I don't know what you consider 'long while' but if HND int
30 HeeseokKoo : 3 aircrafts can be used to both SFO and CDG, and one medium-haul in daytime. Actually same 772 configuration goes SFO, CDG, and HKG in daytime, from
31 carpethead : You have a point there, but I think they will use a 773ER to SFO & CDG.
32 Deltal1011man : Um, DL has upgraded SIN post merger. Pre-merger it was a 332 now its a 77B. (seat counts) 77B-43C/233Y-276 332- 32C/211Y-243 Not only has DL gone to
33 a380forana : According to AF Japan internal source, the plans of AF landing in HND are frozen at the moment due slot time restriction: AF would like to make their
34 MAH4546 : That does not do a single thing to negate what he is saying. Which won't last for long, because once BA and JL get ATI, the Air France codesharing wi
35 Deltal1011man : Then what does he mean by multiple size changes?
36 kiwiandrew : At the risk of going OT again , have JL and BA even submitted an application for ATI with each other yet , if so , has the European Commission given
37 ManekS : Delta just introduced a 77L on the route, which has more capacity than UA's NRT-SIN-NRT 772. That's pretty amazing considering SIN is a *A hub, yet D
38 LAXintl : SIN has been everything from 742, DC-10, 757 briefly, A330 and now a 777 DL holds a consistent 20-30% yield disadvantage in the market, and like NW d
39 deltal1011man : I don't disagree. I wouldn't think NRT-SIN would be a great route for DL, like you said it is a hub to hub route for Star...I was just saying that DL
40 LHRFlyer : Not necessarily. QF codeshares with AF to CDG, even though it operates under a JSA with BA.
41 coolfish1103 : All Nippon Airways (NH) has announced it's Haneda schedule. 5 New International Routes: Bangkok NH 0173 0030HND - BKK0600 D NH 0174 2240BKK - HND0630+
42 LAXintl : I think you should start a separate thread for ANA.
43 Post contains links HeeseokKoo : This is new to me. Unlike JAL, NH focuses on Japanese own demand. Actually we may need a consolidate Haneda international schedule thread. TG and CX
44 coolfish1103 : Well, I don't know if it's worth the effort to make a Haneda only thread since I am unable to edit the post once someone makes a post right under it (
45 ikramerica : I'm glad you are "sure" of this. Few in the USA who followed it are sure of it. First, it's unlikely that HND is going to increase tourist traffic. T
46 coolfish1103 : I don't think the DOT cares about increasing traffic to Tokyo. DOT is simply trying to find out way to please the major local passenger populations wh
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