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Delta Adding HNL-NGO/NRT-ROR  
User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9338 posts, RR: 14
Posted (4 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 12345 times:

HNL-NGO daily 76L starting DEC. 22.
HNL-1040a NGO-420p +1
NGO-750p HNL-805a

NRT-ROR 4x weekly 75J starting DEC. 22.
ROR-350a NRT-915a
NRT-350p ROR-935p


yep.
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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2406 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 12299 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
NRT-ROR 4x weekly 75J starting DEC. 22.
ROR-350a NRT-915a
NRT-350p ROR-935p

Very interesting... we'll see how this does. CO is firmly entrenched in this market but a nonstop to perhaps the major destination from ROR is certainly a new wrinkle. DL is definitely taking aim at CO in Micronesia.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6751 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 12278 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
NRT-ROR 4x weekly 75J starting DEC. 22.

An interesting route. Is there that much demand from Japanese to vacation in Palau these days?


User currently offlinepapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 12106 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):

Where did you get this info, have seen no Delta press release?


User currently offlineBHMDiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 12086 times:

Where is ROR? There is nothing in DLTerm about this. If you look at availabilities, it shows the connection on CO to ROR.

User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 12007 times:

Quoting papatango (Reply 3):

Where did you get this info, have seen no Delta press release?

Delta's timetable. Just loaded today. (i got the update about an hour a go.....great tool, i would download it if you watch delta.)

Quoting BHMDiversion (Reply 4):
Where is ROR? There is nothing in DLTerm about this. If you look at availabilities, it shows the connection on CO to ROR.

read above



yep.
User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 11865 times:

We have friends from Palau that live in Seattle who will love the competitive change visiting home.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 11692 times:

WOW for Palau

A Island of 15,000 People has CO, DL, OZ, CI, and Pacific Flier, Jal Charters sometimes

The most airline service per capita on the Earth, they only have about 3 Hotels that are aceptable for Tourism.... its amazing  


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4898 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 11168 times:
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Quoting COSPN (Reply 7):
A Island of 15,000 People has CO, DL, OZ, CI, and Pacific Flier, Jal Charters sometimes

I believe OZ and CI are all charters, no? Only CO and Pacific Flier are scheduled currently,

And CO serves it from MNL, YAP, and GUM, but not directly from the island's largest market (Japan)...


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 10867 times:

Where are the slots for NRT-ROR coming from? A reduction of frequency on an existing route? Seems like a big waste of NRT slots to me...


Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 10816 times:
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Would be a fun trip (NRT-ROR), but terrible times. Leaves NRT too early for conx from the US and who wants to leave at 350am??


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17441 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 10761 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Where are the slots for NRT-ROR coming from? A reduction of frequency on an existing route? Seems like a big waste of NRT slots to me...

DL has more slots at NRT than it knows what to do with

Quoting COSPN (Reply 7):
A Island of 15,000 People has CO, DL, OZ, CI, and Pacific Flier, Jal Charters sometimes

Well, Pacific Flier is flying a 310 around the Pacific, so that's not gonna last.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
HNL-NGO daily 76L starting DEC. 22

It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, happens to HNLNRT now that HNLHND is winding up with at least three carriers, one of them new YOY.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinealoha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 10709 times:

Heard thru the grapevien the HA will be announcing a new international route in the next few hours. No clue what it might be, but my guesses are:

ICN
HKG
TPE
NGO
MEL
AKL

-ALoha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6751 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 10715 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 10):
Would be a fun trip (NRT-ROR), but terrible times.

The ROR-GUM flights have similarly awful times, departing at either 0110 or 0235, depending on day (basically, whether the flight stops at YAP).


User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 10695 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
DL has more slots at NRT than it knows what to do with

They don't risk losing them if they go unused?



"...left my home in Georgia, 'n headed for the "Frisco" Bay...
User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 10665 times:

Quoting aloha73g (Reply 12):
Heard thru the grapevien the HA will be announcing a new international route in the next few hours. No clue what it might be, but my guesses are:

ICN
HKG
TPE
NGO
MEL
AKL

-ALoha!

My guesses would be, in order of most to least likely -

HNL-KIX
HNL-ICN
HNL-PVG
HNL-NGO
HNL-PEK
HNL-HKG
HNL-TPE
HNL-YVR
HNL-AKL
KOA-NRT (highly doubt they would split Tokyo ops between both airports though)

I would be absolutely shocked to see HA start a second Australian city (MEL, BNE, OOL, or CNS) before bringing SYD to daily service, but stranger things have happened...



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlinealoha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 10603 times:

It would certainly be interesting if HA announced NGO right after DL, but I've been thinking they might be trying to avoid NRT.

We shall see  

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlinealoha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 10582 times:

Its SEOUL for HA!

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 10539 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 15):
My guesses would be, in order of most to least likely -

HNL-KIX
HNL-ICN
Quoting aloha73g (Reply 17):
Its SEOUL for HA!

-Aloha!

Ah! So I *almost* got it!  



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 10433 times:

HNL-NGO seems like a logical addition, connecting some dots and expand the route portfolio from HNL.

NRT-ROR, where the hell did that come from? I will admit I don't know much about demand on that route, but it sure seems like an oddball route.


User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 10360 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Where are the slots for NRT-ROR coming from? A reduction of frequency on an existing route? Seems like a big waste of NRT slots to me...

I believe narrow body operations have a different slot system at NRT. In other words: DL 757 operations at NRT can use the other runway that is less slot restricted....



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User currently offlineUTAH744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 9937 times:

Quoting peanuts (reply 20)

BINGO!



You are never too old to learn something stupid
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
HNL-NGO daily 76L starting DEC. 22.
HNL-1040a NGO-420p +1
NGO-750p HNL-805a

Had a feeling this was coming from some US carrier.
JALWays is getting cut back all across the country due to JL's restructuring. HNL is a top destinations for Japanese.

History
In the 1990s, JL, NH and NW all had service between HNL-NGO. (There was also the HP flight PHX-HNL-NGO)
NW launched HNL-NGO in the 1990s using a DC-10.
The flight was then discontinued in favor of DTW-NGO using a 744. (was weight restricted on NGO-DTW due to the short runway)
The flight was then extended to include NGO-MNL in late 1990s early 2000.
With opening of new NGO, flight was able to finally go out fully loaded both ways.
NGO-SPN, NGO-GUM and NGO-NRT were launched. NGO-GUM didn't last due to JL and CO on the same route.
Before the NW/DL merger was finalized, DTW-NGO-MNL was reduced to 6x.
In 2007 HNL-NGO opened, CO (Mike) launched HNL-NGO with a 767 (can't remember variant). The schedule allowed for pax to continue on to SPN and GUM on NW or CO as it was still a member of Skyteam.
CO pulled out in 2008 not so much due to low performance but demand on other routes that were performing better or had higher yield.
NH pulled out of HNL-NGO in 2001.
By 2008 JALWays was the only carrier serving HNL-NGO (742 then 743 and then a High capacity 744 alternating with regular capacity 744).

This move by DL seems to either be to counter the massive reduction by JL or to compete with any up and coming competition from HA. The market is there, especially in the winter season when many Japanese travel.
Here is the interesting thing.
HNL-NGO arrives at 4:20pm
This allows for connections to MNL which leaves at 7:45pm and SPN which leaves at 21:00.
NGO-HNL departs at 7:50pm
This allows for connections from MNL and SPN pax which arrive at 11:30am and 10:20am respectively. It does not however allow for connections from Tokyo (8:45pm) and thus the Asia network, but then again NRT is well covered to HNL.
On the HNL side, one can connect to quite a few DL destinations. Though the layover will be long, better have a long layover in HNL than in NRT (anything longer than 3 hours there drives you batty.)
I think I might have to use this on my next trip the US. I would not mind even 6 hours on the ground at HNL. Could make it into a family vacation. (considered KIX-HNL-MSP but the cost of getting to KIX and possible stay over in Osaka, negates the route. Flying via NRT requires a horrible layover. NRT is not good for really long layovers.)

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
NRT-ROR 4x weekly 75J starting DEC. 22.
ROR-350a NRT-915a
NRT-350p ROR-935p

This is a surprise. I never thought of this. CO runs everything through GUM. I really wonder what the yield will be on this. Could it end up seasonal?



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 9442 times:

Well, it should put a crimp in CO's loads to ROR, if, as reported above, it's the island's largest market. Do they have NRT slots if they feel obliged to compete?

If I recall from the last DL earnings report, they were happy the way the various beach destinations were performing from NRT. This could be building on that.


User currently offlineCMHARJ From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 127 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 8647 times:

Does DL still have Asian based flight attendants on all its US-Japan and Japan-IntraAsia flights? Even the ones that were PMDL flights (ATL-NRT)?

25 Deltal1011man : DL will be cuting the 3rd SPN flight down to 3x weekly. I'm going to say nothing, just like i don't see LAX-NRT pulling back for anyone. yes but they
26 CODC10 : CO needed the 767 for LHR service. This was concurrent with dropping the 767 on LAX-HNL, which was tied to HNL-NGO.
27 Centrair : Now they just need the aircraft to make it profitable. From my experience, NGO-NRT goes out very loaded daily. My last flight had only 5 seats open b
28 LipeGIG : Flights are available on time table as mentioned, see below flight numbers. DL611 HNL 1040 NGO 1620 (+1) B763 DL612 NGO 1950 HNL 0750 (+1) B763 DL607
29 skyguyB727 : I just looked at the online timetable on delta.com. There is no mention of service to ROR. When I put in a search on the delta.com booking engine for
30 Post contains links and images Deltal1011man : No because that isn't what i said. Search Delta.com for.........stop i'll even get the link for you. http://www.delta.com/schedules/trave...eservatio
31 Post contains links simairlinenet : http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1064 I learned in a meeting last week when it became official.
32 ScottB : I know it's nit-picking, but Palau is not an island. It is an island nation or an archipelago. The island on which ROR is located is Babeldaob (thoug
33 skyguyB727 : That's exactly where I looked for the new service, and it wasn't listed. The public announcement didn't happen until today (02 July). On a side note
34 deltal1011man : Then you some how A) didn't get the update or B) some how messed it up. Not sure how Lipe would have insider info, and even if he did you and I both
35 SCL767 : I agree that HA should increase frequency on the HNL-SYD route and should consider HNL-AKL in the future. Currently, HA operates HNL-PPT weekly, I wo
36 Post contains images deltal1011man : Ummmmm huh? If Delta posted on DeltaNet that they were starting XXX-YYY and didn't want it out, and someone posted it, it is very likely Delta will f
37 SCL767 : Well some "insider info" that I and others have posted were never pulled. Wow, DL certainly operates "militantly" towards free speech.
38 deltal1011man : When Delta's gives it employees info, such as routes, they should not post it. Delta has made this VERY clear. But i guess you think the company shou
39 SCL767 : I agree that DL should keep their business to themselves, (like most other airlines). However, I'm referring to certain posts that I and others have
40 OA412 : Certainly intersting routes. HNL-NGO is a no-brainer, but Palau is pretty much out of left-field. DL is a private company, and like all private compan
41 SCL767 : Does the Bill of Rights apply outside of the U.S.? Exactly! Doesn't DL operate internationally? Therefore, they can't do whatever they want to outsid
42 LJ : Yes they can. Apart from the fact that it's illegal by law to distribute information which is not in the public domain if the company involved is lis
43 JohnClipper : DL is NOT a private company, it is a public one traded on Wall Street...
44 HNL-Jack : Not so sure about NGO. The O&D traffic out of Nagoya is not nearly as great as Tokyo and connection traffic is almost non-existant. NGO/HNL has b
45 centrair : Interesting that both NGO-HNL and HNL-NGO start the same day. That means they will have to rotate a 767 to NGO either empty or as a stand-in for some
46 Post contains links cslusarc : I think that is incorrect. According to gcmap.com CTS to SEA is 4390 mi and well outside of the practical range of 4000 mi that the internationally c
47 bobnwa : Deltal1011man doesn'twork for Delta either and has stated many times that he would neither work for them or fly them as long as Andersons is CEO and
48 aviationbuff08 : So the question here is if you are not affiliated with DL, just how did you get information that is "sensitive" to DL?? I must have missed that topic
49 OA412 : It does not matter. If someone is distributing information that an airline deems "sensitive" or "confidential", they can get in trouble. Your free sp
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