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HA To Start HNL-Seoul ICN  
User currently offlinealoha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2353 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7524 times:

Hawaiian will be starting HNL-ICN.

No info on dates, times or equipment yet.

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-Aloha!


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User currently onlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7480 times:

It has to be a A332 doesn't it? Can a 763ER fly that long of a route?


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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2832 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

Very exciting to see HA expanding in the Asia Pacific realm! First MNL, then HND, and now ICN! I can't wait to see where else they could be flying to once more A330s arrive!  .


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User currently offlinealoha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2353 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7420 times:

Starting January 2011

4x weekly — Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1887 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

Awesome to see them expanding as they add new aircraft, also great to have more options on west coast-asia flights

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32568 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7324 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 1):
It has to be a A332 doesn't it? Can a 763ER fly that long of a route?

Absolutely a 763 can fly that. Just like it can fly PDX-NRT.



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User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 558 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7323 times:

Now for that codeshare with F9 that Mariner talked about..... Round up people in Denver and take them across the Pacific.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

Nice to see HA continue their expansion to Asia. Slowly but steadily they are building quite a nice-sized operation.

Quoting KPDX (Reply 1):
Can a 763ER fly that long of a route?

Easily. HNL-ICN is around 4,600mi long, and for comparison, Delta's JFK-AMM flight on the 763ER is around 5,700mi.


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7245 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 1):
It has to be a A332 doesn't it? Can a 763ER fly that long of a route?

Yes, a 763ER can make HNL-ICN. GCM shows it at 4576 miles and Boeing's website says a maximum range of a 763ER at 5990 miles.


User currently offlineua76heavy From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

This is actually a code share with KE. HA recently started a code share with KE to BKK but in the news release is also states:

"Bangkok is the newest Asia-Pacific destination for which Hawaiian is teaming up with Korean Air to offer code-sharing benefits. Customers of Hawaiian can also book flights operated by Korean Air between Honolulu and Incheon and Busan in South Korea, as well as on Korean Air flights between Incheon and Busan."

Here's the link: http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com...-newsArticle&ID=1441820&highlight=


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5334 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7181 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 4):
also great to have more options on west coast-asia flights.

I hope so. For the past few years, SAN has had poor connectivity to HA's intl destinations and I hope schedule planning will try to fix that situation for good. (I don't know about the status of other west coast stations with limited flights in this regard.)

I guess we now know where some of the new a/c are being deployed. Promised expansion is now officially under way! (BTW, does anyone have any updates on when the final DOT-decision might be forthcoming regarding the HND route awards?)

bb


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2832 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 6):
Now for that codeshare with F9 that Mariner talked about..... Round up people in Denver and take them across the Pacific.

That would be great! An HA/F9 codeshare via DEN would mean easy connections from Hawaii to LGA, MDW, and DCA! You can't get those through the West Coast gateways at SFO, LAX, LAS, PHX, etc.!



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User currently offlinelahaina From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7155 times:

Will KE extend lounge access to Pualani members when traveling on HA/KE code share flights?

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5334 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7065 times:

I just want to clarify this (since there has been no formal announcement on the HA website.)

What I'm understanding is that there will now be code-sharing between HA and KE on KE metal operating between Korea and HNL PLUS HA will begin flying their own metal (which a/c is still unknown) between HNL and ICN early next year (and offering code-share with KE on the new service as well.) Is that all correct?

bb


User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7051 times:

I think a Jetblue tie-up would be great if Hawaiian starts flights to JFK...! im sure a special gate can be modified to accomodate a B767/A330. (just sayin....)  

in regards to the HNL-ICN flights...still havn't seen an official press release but if true...thats awesome!


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2832 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6969 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
there will now be code-sharing between HA and KE on KE metal operating between Korea and HNL

According to ua76heavy's link, HA codeshares on KE's daily HNL-ICN service, and now (as of Monday the 28th) connections through ICN can be made to PUS and BKK.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
HA will begin flying their own metal (which a/c is still unknown) between HNL and ICN early next year (and offering code-share with KE on the new service as well

According to aloha73g, HA will fly HNL-ICN itself 4x weekly as of January. I would imagine the KE code would be placed on such a flight, in order to appeal to Korean travelers and also to facilitate connections beyond ICN to other points in Asia (secondary Japanese cities, mainland China, TPE, and HKG immediately come to mind).

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
Is that all correct?

If those two individuals are correct, then yes! It's only lunchtime in Hawaii so maybe an announcement will be coming later in the day (afternoon for them, evening for us)  .



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User currently offlineua76heavy From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
HA will begin flying their own metal (which a/c is still unknown) between HNL and ICN early next year (and offering code-share with KE on the new service as well.) Is that all correct?

I haven't read anything about HA applying for HNL-ICN rights, but could have missed it. A while back they (HA) were applying (or thinking about applying) for HNL-PVG rights. Haven't heard anything about it lately.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6879 times:

Quoting ua76heavy (Reply 16):
I haven't read anything about HA applying for HNL-ICN rights, but could have missed it.

The US and South Korea are open-skies, so they do not have to formally apply for rights in order to announce service.



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User currently offlinelahaina From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

If I were HA, I would fly HNL-PVG. There is no direct flight, and I pretty much have a monopoly on this route.

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2832 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6820 times:

Quoting lahaina (Reply 18):
If I were HA, I would fly HNL-PVG. There is no direct flight, and I pretty much have a monopoly on this route.

The problem is that China is not a Visa Waiver Program country, so to visit Hawaii potential Chinese tourists have to go through a painstaking ordeal (expensive fees, interviews, etc.) just to get a visa for their trip. Therefore, Chinese with the means to travel internationally for leisure are much more likely to visit Thailand, the Philippines, Bali, etc. than try to go to Hawaii.



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User currently offlinelahaina From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6751 times:

Isn't Governor Linda Lingle working on that issue, and isn't it supposed to be easier for Chinese traveling to US if they travel in a tour group? Also, there is local traffic to PVG. A twice weekly flight would work out nicely. Hainan Airlines seems to be dragging its two feet, so this is a chance for HA to break into the China market. Just my two cents

User currently offlineHNLPointShoot From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

Honolulu Star-Advertiser link

Quoting lahaina (Reply 18):
If I were HA, I would fly HNL-PVG. There is no direct flight, and I pretty much have a monopoly on this route.

Wouldn't that require having to wait for rights to open up? I vaguely recall hearing about HA apply for rights to fly that a few years ago, but they were denied.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2832 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6630 times:

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 21):
Wouldn't that require having to wait for rights to open up?

Nope. U.S.-China frequencies were scarce and highly sought after by the U.S. carriers in contentious bidding processes until the recession set in back in 2008. Since then, routes have been cut (DL's ATL-PVG), scaled back in frequency (DL's SEA-PEK made less than daily), or never even started (UA's SFO-CAN, US's PHL-PEK) while additional frequencies have been made available by the bilateral - although AA's ORD-PEK, DL's SEA-PEK, and DL's DTW-PVG have all been started in the past year. I don't think there are tons of spares frequencies available, but certainly enough for HA to start a less than daily HNL-PEK and/or HNL-PVG service if it wanted to...

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 21):
I vaguely recall hearing about HA apply for rights to fly that a few years ago, but they were denied.

They did apply for HNL-PVG back in 2005, but it was up against compelling cases like CO's EWR-PVG that pledged to meet O&D needs and tremendous connecting opportunities through a major hub. It was hard for HA to argue its case against applications like those. Many (not me, though) were surprised that HA did get a HND frequency since it will mostly serve Japanese tourists, not American travelers and businesses.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6552 times:

Quoting ua76heavy (Reply 9):
"Bangkok is the newest Asia-Pacific destination for which Hawaiian is teaming up with Korean Air to offer code-sharing benefits. Customers of Hawaiian can also book flights operated by Korean Air between Honolulu and Incheon and Busan in South Korea, as well as on Korean Air flights between Incheon and Busan."

I'll say it...
Hello Skyteam Associate member? Full member?



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15695 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6321 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 23):
Hello Skyteam Associate member? Full member?

I don't know. Hawaiian can always use the feed, but they wouldn't add that much to the alliance.



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25 HOONS90 : Awesome news! Just to clarify, Hawaiian will indeed be sending its own metal to ICN. Hawaiian have already been codesharing with KE on HNL-ICN since l
26 Deltal1011man : IIRC 21 are open now + the 7 US gave back(from PHL-PEK) so thats 28 then 14 or 21 more get dumped into the pot in march 11.
27 Centrair : So in another thread, people were discussing what HA could announce for Asia. ICN is announced. What could come next in Asia? HKG? NRT? PVG? PEK? KIX?
28 aloha73g : While I am sure there are currently a good number of people connecting from SEA/PDX/SMF/SAN/PHX etc thru HNL to SYD and MNL, connections are not enou
29 Post contains links Pohakuloa : Here is a Link to Press Release posted from HA facebook page. I would imagine HA may consider one of the China markets on your list PVG/PEK/HKG, but l
30 LAXintl : Here is the proposed schedule: HA459 HNL-ICN 1315-2000 Tu/Th/Sa/Su HA460 ICN-HNL 2200-1045 Mo/We/Fr/Su
31 cslusarc : If HA does become a Skyteam Associate member the need to be sponsored and utilize the Frequent-Flyer program of that sponsor.
32 kiwiandrew : Skyteam no longer has Associate members - they changed a few days ago to full members . In any event , I see HA continuing to follow the successful '
33 je89_w : Yes, the B763ER will be operating HA459/HA460.
34 CV880 : Still requires an application and approval regardless of the number of open slots. Hard to see how this would make more $$ than LAX to anywhere in Ch
35 Deltal1011man : UA/AA and maybe DL could pull off LAX-PEK/PVG......but HA can't. The only place HA could do China from is HNL. that is true, but they could start fli
36 CV880 : And so could Delta but the business market is probably not there, however there is HNL-HKG which seems to be unserved by anyone.
37 777fan : Great news for HA; these flights are likely to garner a lot of military traffic as well. As it stands, military/government pax have to fly the KE non
38 lightsaber : I received the e-mail on this and was pleasantly surprised. I bet this route does well long term. Hopefully there is the short term demand. Good point
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